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The player was an employee of Absolute and could see all the hands. This is technically simply if one has the right access. I’ve seen the ‘client’ opened, that shows all the hands, when I worked the WSOP for PokerStars a few years ago. It’s frightening.

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Um...

Huh?

He only thinks to mention this NOW?

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Point being: Any site that has this capability already has beeen compromised.
For someone to be oblivious enough not to understand this is hard to believe.

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FYP

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never mind. he attempts to explain it. and he's an idiot.

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The player was an employee of Absolute and could see all the hands. This is technically simply if one has the right access. I’ve seen the ‘client’ opened, that shows all the hands, when I worked the WSOP for PokerStars a few years ago. It’s frightening.

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Wait, WHAT?

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I'm guessing he's confused. Assuming he did see all the cards, how is Mike Paulle going to distinguish between it being the client vs. being a special account? If not, then this is obviously a big problem.

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nvm Ape.

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Am I missing the reason why anyone cares about this guy?

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fwiw- I thought that unlike Justin West's drivel what Mike Paulle wrote was generally decent. I just am not sure he's sure what he means by that one paragraph- and thus wasn't sure how it would be received.

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Am I missing the reason why anyone cares about this guy?

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ESPN is a sports network.
Poker is a sport.
ESPN broadcasts poker and accepts advertising from poker sites.
ESPN should be interested in this story.

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ESPN is running a big story on it very soon.

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Hey guys, just wanted to weigh in briefly.

I'm in the process of collecting data (I spoke with Todd, Nat and Serge today) for an article that should go up Wednesday, Thursday or Friday, depending on the research. I can't say whether it will make the front page or not, particularly since where poker is concerned, ESPN has traditionally been far more focused on competitive poker than the business of poker.

Gary

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Dear Justin West,

The fact that you believe the statement at this point makes you possibly more naive than the ancap crowd.

With love,

one of the many, many people that knows way more than you do

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Justin West does a 180... erm.. wait... a 90... erm... well you decide.

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I know many readers may be quick to say that the existence of a "super-user" hasn't been disproven. Well, honestly, it never will be. Absolute Poker - nor any other poker site, for that matter - would ever provide such a detailed explanation of the inner workings of their own website. But that doesn't mean the super-user exists. I do not believe it does. What we have here is clearly a case of compromised software, not an existing element.

God Almighty this guy is dumb.

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Indeed. I think the whole industry is holding it's collective breath now, because of all the auditing they will have to subject themselves to, to gain trust. It will not be sufficient, as it probably has been until now, to say: "look, here's a very safe poker client and here's a very safe backend database, and none of them show all the hole cards during play", while quickly shuffling people through a cluster of vulnerable game servers.

I would very much like to see a strong external audit body that can give sites approval. Traffic to unapproved online poker houses would then likely decrease drastically.

'I told you there's no superuser, because we always call him root'

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At no point was this ever one of our claims. Perhaps some morons suggested this might be the case (I'll vote P5's)...

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Can we lay off the inter-site snarking? Not helping.

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Am I missing the reason why anyone cares about this guy?

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he has a column on pokerpages.com, therefore that makes him an authority on poker as far as some people are concerned. He doesn't seem to deserve this role and responsibility.

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Interesting Views From Gambling 911: http://www.gambling911.com/Absolute-Poker-102307.html


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Absolute Poker takes in between $1.5 mil and $2 mil per day (gross), a Gambling911.com source close to the company disclosed Monday evening.

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The Maths: (rough approximation for cash games only): 2,000 players / 6 players per table * 75 hands per hour * 24 hours per day * $0.50 rake per hand = $300,000

player estimate from here: http://pokersitescout.com/SiteDetail...1#Site_History

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Interesting Views From Gambling 911: http://www.gambling911.com/Absolute-Poker-102307.html


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Absolute Poker takes in between $1.5 mil and $2 mil per day (gross), a Gambling911.com source close to the company disclosed Monday evening.

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The Maths: (rough approximation for cash games only): 2,000 players / 6 players per table * 75 hands per hour * 24 hours per day * $0.50 rake per hand = $300,000

player estimate from here: http://pokersitescout.com/SiteDetail...1#Site_History

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I'm assuming your calculation doesn't account for players multitabling cash games. It also doesn't account for SNG and Tournament entry fees. It probably is over $1 million a day.

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For anyone believing West's assertion that "there is no superuser", consider the fact that AJ Green does not appear to have any background in software or computer systems, and would be unlikely to possess knowledge to compromise anything.

Furthermore, if he had the ability to see cards through some sort of backdoor hack, then account #363 (as seen in the Excel file) would not have been needed.

I don't know why it's more plausible to some people to believe in AJ Green the K-K00l Hacker than Scott Tom the Meglomaniac.

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lol at gambling911 article.

step one: overstate the strength of your immediate position
almost to the point of taunting the online community.
step two: start to name the fallguys. Use Scott Tom's name and by using nine.com implicate AJ Green. at the end of it say "if it happened"
step three: post Scott Tom's pic YET AGAIN and tell people where he lives.
step four: blame the US government.
step five: profit.

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For anyone believing West's assertion that "there is no superuser", consider the fact that AJ Green does not appear to have any background in software or computer systems, and would be unlikely to possess knowledge to compromise anything.

Furthermore, if he had the ability to see cards through some sort of backdoor hack, then account #363 (as seen in the Excel file) would not have been needed.

I don't know why it's more plausible to some people to believe in AJ Green the K-K00l Hacker than Scott Tom the Meglomaniac.

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i think he just wants to discredit the word so he can say he was right about something.

If anyone can see my cards, I have no problem with you calling them a superuser

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ESPN is a sports network.
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ESPN broadcasts poker and accepts advertising from poker sites.
ESPN should be interested in this story.

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ESPN is running a big story on it very soon.

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Hey guys, just wanted to weigh in briefly.

I'm in the process of collecting data (I spoke with Todd, Nat and Serge today) for an article that should go up Wednesday, Thursday or Friday, depending on the research. I can't say whether it will make the front page or not, particularly since where poker is concerned, ESPN has traditionally been far more focused on competitive poker than the business of poker.

Gary

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I am glad that you and ESPN are continuing to cover this story and am sure it will be a very informative article. However, if it stashed away in the ESPN Poker Club section, most of the casual poker-playing public will probably never see it. I know the story will most likely not be the front page's feature story , but I am hoping that ESPN will at least be able to provide a link to your article, under the news headlines, from its homepage. If ESPN.com is going to provide links to articles such as "Reilly joins ESPN; essays in magazine, on Web, TV" on its homepage, as it did today, I see no reason why they shouldn't provide one for your upcoming article on this scandal.

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Okay folks... I'm not sure how accurate any of this is...

but have fun amirite?

edit: there are two people I wouldn't want to be this week for many many reasons. care to guess?

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If ESPN.com is going to provide links to articles such as "Reilly joins ESPN; essays in magazine, on Web, TV" on its homepage, as it did today, I see no reason why they shouldn't provide one for your upcoming article on this scandal.

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srsly? think about it.

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Wow, if that's true I really wonder how much i'm going to get back...BTW an Absolute manager was suppose to call me today because aparently upper management only works monday-friday..long story short they obviously didn't call me.

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Okay folks... I'm not sure how accurate any of this is...

but have fun amirite?

edit: there are two people I wouldn't want to be this week for many many reasons. care to guess?

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wow I hope the users got their money because the sh!ti is really about to hit the fan.

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but have fun amirite?

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wow

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Point-Spreads.com sources in Costa Rica are claiming the Absolute Poker Super-User account scam has been going on for three years and the actual amount that was skimmed from online poker players is estimated at close to $7 million, not the 700k amount that was previously reported. The actual amount is still unknown as an internal audit is underway.

A former employee of Absolute Poker confirmed to Point-Spreads.com that the security department at AP suspected something years ago and we're told it was just the owners testing out the system and to forget about it.

Our sources have confirmed that Scott Tom was using the Super-User to sit at tables as an "observer" as online poker player PotRipper would join the tournaments and Scott would tell him what cards people have so they can win the tourney and split the money. PotRipper is Alan “AJ” Green, formerly of Nine.com and the now former Operations Director for Absolute Poker. Point-Spreads.com has learned AJ’s real name but has chosen to withhold it at this time. AJ is pictured with Gambling911.com's sexy reporter Jenny Woo at an expensive dinner in Amsterdam back in 2005.

Where did the $7 million go? On September 3rd, 2007 a small jet plane caught on fire before taking off on the runway at San Jose Juan Santamaria International Airport in Costa Rica. The two passengers on the private jet were Scott Tom and his pregnant wife. His wife was rushed to the hospital to make sure everything was alright with the baby. The plane's destination was Colombia and the rumored cargo on the plane was $2-3M in cash. Officials at Absolute Poker confirmed to Point-Spreads.com that Tomm was on the jet, however, deny any money was onboard.

While at Nine.com, AJ had a portrait done of himself that hung on his wall over his desk. The photo was a picture of him "American Beauty' style laying spread out on his futon covered in hundred dollar bills. Were the bills in the photo proceeds from the Absolute Poker Super-User scam? AJ joined the Absolute Poker team approximately one month before Nine.com left Costa Rica for Curacao. While living in Costa Rica, AJ bought a house in Escazu outright with cash and no one questioned how a guy making $50k a year could do that. He invested $100k into Absolute Poker and became a shareholder of the online poker giant, still no on questioned where he came up with the cash. Could it have come from the Super-User scam? We would love to ask AJ that question, but apparently he is on the lam.

At this point, AJ Green has earned the title of the most disliked person in the history of internet gambling? Apparently he was so disliked by his own employees that they blew the whistle on him and the whole scam but the real people that are pissed at him are all of the people pushing for legitimizing the internet gambling industry at its most needed hour. Not to mention, the online poker players he stole from.

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a bunch of this is news to me but sounds 100% believable

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Okay folks... I'm not sure how accurate any of this is...

but have fun amirite?

edit: there are two people I wouldn't want to be this week for many many reasons. care to guess?

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AJ is pictured with Gambling911.com's sexy reporter Jenny Woo at an expensive dinner in Amsterdam back in 2005.

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lol

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new thread time!