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Kbar, are you evil?

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no

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Also, this post is a reference to CYOA where I asked him a related question (did you kill someone as a wolf for a reason you're stating in thread), and he said yes, and got lynched for it.

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Neil probably peeked Nez.

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Neil probably peeked Nez.

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Ok, never mind. No, he didn't. And I somehow missed the joke seer hint from Neil to Luckay? I rule.

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This Luckay talk is mind-boggling.

1. Kenny was a seer.
2. Kenny made an "If I'm the seer" post.
3. He said Luckay is a wolf.
4. If that was not his peek, Kenny will be pummeled in the post-game.
5. Luckay is getting his head lynched off. EOD.

So him not listing Luckay means nothing. Check his reaction when I asked if we could get a Luckay wagon going late yesterday. Him listing Nez as 99 percent village is the only other possible peek and that's because Nez was being 99 percent villager yesterday.

If the wolves luck-boxed Kenny and Nez was his peek, and Luckay is village, oh well.

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Neil probably peeked Nez.

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I'm not quite sure why Neil would peek me n0

I am quite sure that he would peek luckay n0

Just saying

Although his wording last night about me was so strangely timed and clearly said "If I die, don't ever lynch Nez"

Maybe he got two peeks because I still feel Luckay is a wolf regardless of peekage

So we can give him credit for me peeking as vilalge and delivering wolf Luckay

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Kenny voted Nez and suspected him early. I don't think Nez was the peek at all.

And luckay's a wolf anyway (and him being a wolf makes sense the way this day went down and the way Luckay played yesterday).

Luckay

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Nez, read my later posts. I agree. Neil didn't peek you. You're still a villager (for the next 2 or 3 days). It's all good.

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[0] bojtun
[0] bravos1 voted for LuckayLuck
[0] Bulletproof Monk voted for LuckayLuck
[0] chuckleslovakian
[0] clowntable voted for lastchance
[0] DustinG voted for LuckayLuck
[0] fishmonger
[0] fmxda
[0] fnord_too voted for LuckayLuck
[0] GetThere1Time voted for LuckayLuck
[2] lastchance voted for LuckayLuck
<font color="red"> [9] LuckayLuck </font>
[0] Nez477 voted for LuckayLuck
[0] Nicholasp27 voted for LuckayLuck
[0] ScottHoward v3.1
[0] shortline99 voted for lastchance
[0] SpacaB
[0] Supine voted for LuckayLuck
[0] VoraciousReader

<font color="green"> 10:00 No good </font>
Majority Lynch = 10

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Chuckles is probably evil if luckay's a villager.

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shortline/kbar/clown/monk/(utr)?

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all, im currently going through kennys posts. the above would kinda conflict with him peeking luckay as a wolf imo.
there was also an early post where he replied to luckay in a manner that wouldnt indicate he peeked luckay as a wolf.

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DUH

which is why he made the nez post

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How many wolf teams that kill Neil without Luckay being a villager? If Luckay was a villager, would he have 9 votes right now?

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kennys (neils, whatever) posts
I removed all the no content posts

alleged joke vote for clowntable
voted luckay with the “just kidding im not the seer” post
voted nez
seer peek total discussion
seer peek total discussion
“If Nez is a wolf, Scott's a villager.”
“Chuck being jokey seems standard to me.”
voted kbar with some minor reasoning
very minor suggestion clown is still a suspect
voted clown
discusses reasoning to vote clown
“For the record if we lynch kbar and he's a wolf I'm not clearing lastchance.”
voted gt1t
explains he was voting gt for dustin
suggests getting a gt band wagon going
kbar &gt; fmxda here I think.
voted clown
suggests vr was right about lastchance (being a wolf)
If someone asked me to lynch Bulletproof Monk I would not squawk much.
voted monk
“shortline/kbar/clown/monk/(utr)?”
“OK, maybe shortline's a villager and just throwing things at the wall to watch them splatter and drip.”
voted lastchance
re eskimo: “I don't know about overreactions but I think he's completely different from his standard village game.”
vote kbar
Guys, if I die, don't lynch Nez ever. I'm 99% sure he's a villager here.
“VR could be a wolf. But of course this read is tainted as it always is by the fact that I read VR's normal posting style as wolfy.
But she could be a wolf.”
VR seems to be metagaming, but the last time I said that of someone, Durron was a villager, so blah.

so, reasonable hints, from most to least likely
luckay wolf
nez village
the rest (fairly meaningless really)

i don’t think neil the seer makes that fake seer post with luckay as a wolf if he didn’t peek luckay as a wolf. neil hates the whole fake seer thing to begin with. unless he was pulling a nich, but I think that’s probably unlikely. if luckay is a villager, we can ban neil from pog.
I think we still need to hear from everybody before moving along though. theres some people here that really need to post more.

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neil hates the whole fake seer thing

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No he doesn't. Every single turbo, there's some obvious seer peek from him in there (obviously, this is a long game, which is different).

But trust me, he definitely implies he is seer a helluva lot (and fairly well).

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i don't mean to imply luckay isn't a wolf.

i mean to imply nez is not.

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neil hates the whole fake seer thing

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No he doesn't. Every single turbo, there's some obvious seer peek from him in there (obviously, this is a long game, which is different).

But trust me, he definitely implies he is seer a helluva lot (and fairly well).

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by fake seer, i mean what he did today. im not talking about leaving seer hints as villager, thats something different.

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Got it.

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How many wolf teams that kill Neil without Luckay being a villager? If Luckay was a villager, would he have 9 votes right now?

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How many wolf teams that kill Neil without Luckay being a vilalger?

That sentence makes no sense.

And the answer to the second question is yes

And I like how you said I was a villager for the next (2 to 3 days)

If Fish and LC are both wolves I'm going to have to be more nitpicky in the future

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i still want to lynch lastchance today [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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How many wolf teams kill Neil without Luckay being a wolf?

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This is what I meant to say.

Luckay is a villager = Neil lives.
Luckay is a wolf = Neil dies.

I feel these statements, while not 100% true, make a lot of sense.

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"Guys, if I die, don't lynch Nez ever. I'm 99% sure he's a villager here."

Seers really shouldn't use this type of language with non-peeks IMO

I'm just going to be shocked if Neil really peeked me n0

I wish Luckay would fake seer already so we can move votes onto Lastchance

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re luckay and no n1 peeks:
the other game there was no n1 peek, i found a wolf d1 (smell iirc), and was killed the NEXT night (when there wasn’t a peek). there was big discussion about the chances the wolves were fpsing or made a mistake or whatever. this game, none really.
if luckay is a wolf and the wolves thought neil was the seer, why not kill neil tonight instead of last night? surely the wolves would realize they would be practically killing luckay themselves if they killed neil last night? and again, no discussion of any of this took place today. its been practically all luckay, all the time.
all of the above makes me think the wolves are giving up luckay to make themselves look good. if this is the case, we can look to the early luckay voters for wolves.
and,paradoxically, if luckay is a villager, i will be looking at those very same luckay voters.

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i'd buy that if neil didn't end up being the actual seer

he said luckay was his wolf peek thus we have to lynch luckay

if he showed up villager, then ur argument may hold water

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i agree we have to lynch luckay
do you agree that the wolves would be aware of this and would be eager to vote luckay early and often?

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and nich, if luckay is a wolf, why didnt the wolves kill neil tonight?

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i'm just waiting for luckay to post.

basically, we need him to post.

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The benefits of killing Neil tonight were marginal. The only reason you didn't die n1 in the AS game you're referring to was because I talked the wolf team out of it, and then just gave on d2 (moranically).

Really, I think the benefits of that play are marginal (especially considering you can't be sure if you're a wolf).

That said, the people who voted Luckay quickly/early are more likely to be wolfia, scott's right.

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unvote

lets not majority Luckay please

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i'm just waiting for shorty to answer direct questions.

basically, I need him to do that.

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can't be bothered

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can't be bothered

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That's awesome "villaging."

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Boj, this may sound stupid, but it is very hard to read shorty from wolfy responses and asking questions (which I personally, like to do a lot).

To read shortline, read the game. Read who he pushes, who he interacts (and mostly whether or not he cares and who he's trying to lynch).

If he cares and is a villager, he will try to lynch wolves. If he doesn't care, he's probably a villager.

There is almost no chance you get a solid read out of shortline by using direct questions.

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I'm sticking with my theory that Shorty is the seer and should get nk'd soon

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Boj, this may sound stupid, but it is very hard to read shorty from wolfy responses and asking questions (which I personally, like to do a lot).

To read shortline, read the game. Read who he pushes, who he interacts (and mostly whether or not he cares and who he's trying to lynch).

If he cares and is a villager, he will try to lynch wolves. If he doesn't care, he's probably a villager.

There is almost no chance you get a solid read out of shortline by using direct questions.

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Thanks Shortline's secretary.

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Boj, this may sound stupid, but it is very hard to read shorty from wolfy responses and asking questions (which I personally, like to do a lot).

To read shortline, read the game. Read who he pushes, who he interacts (and mostly whether or not he cares and who he's trying to lynch).

If he cares and is a villager, he will try to lynch wolves. If he doesn't care, he's probably a villager.

There is almost no chance you get a solid read out of shortline by using direct questions.

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Thanks Shortline's head groupie

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Shorty,

Why do you think GT1T is village?

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Hey, it's all true.

Take it or leave it. Because shortline's going to lie a lot under direct examination and you not only have to determine whether or not he's lying, but the POINT of that lie.

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I have doubts about the villageness of GT1T, but I dont think that GT1T and LC could be wolves together.


Lastchance,

Why did you go after Kbar yesterday like a rabid.....wolf?

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Shorty,

Why do you think GT1T is village?

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so far, he seems to still be drawing the correct conclusions. until he starts misleading the village, he should not be lynched. especially when he can still be nightkilled, as he often is.

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And you think Eskimo is evil?