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-Sam

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I can't actually see any reason to ban lorinda, simply because lorinda has reacted angrily to a thread that has really pissed lorinda off, for whatever reason.

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anger is fine. it only becomes a problem when it affects users and moderators, and it did both. users are unable to view a huge thread, and they're even talking about it on other forums. obviously the moderators and admins have been disrupted. unless there is a good reason for this, i believe lori should be punished.

if i owned 2+2, "empty threats" of lawsuits would go over about as well as yelling "i have a bomb" at an airport.

at a minimum, none of lori's accounts are welcome in oot.

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Lori only really posts in OOT when somebody posts about him. The weird thing is that when it happens, he's on it wicked fast (as was the case in the BUSTO thread). This is a person who seems to care WAY too much about the internet (as evidenced by the weird, yet very touching Granny Mae thing).

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if i owned 2+2, "empty threats" of lawsuits would go over about as well as yelling "i have a bomb" at an airport.


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Ok, I really really really really wish I didn't say that here. That was said privately to me and I shouldn't have repeated it, and saying it privately to me doesn't mean it was actually planned to be done (for the 27th time)

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"it" intimated as much to me as well: I do intend to take it further if this continues.

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durron,

I can't remember how I know he's a man, but I'm 90% sure it's from somebody who met him in an MTG tournament. I think he's abandonded any reasonable expectation of privacy here.

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There was a thread about 2.5 years ago where it was discussed about Lori/Lorinda being a man. The thread wasn't just about her, but I remember someone bringing it up and for some reason I remember her/him saying he pretended to be a girl for privacy reasons. I don't know why I would remember that. I am sure there is almost no way to find the thread though.

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I'd HATE lorinda to be banned. lorinda is a major part of Twoplustwo's history. I can't actually see any reason to ban lorinda, simply because lorinda has reacted angrily to a thread that has really pissed lorinda off, for whatever reason.

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agree.


I also don't know why Lorinda is freaking out so much regarding the gender issue.

I haven't clicked all of the links in this thread but I thought there was a discussion or poll about Lorinda's gender in STT or some other forum a few months ago.

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I also don't know why Lorinda is freaking out so much regarding the gender issue.

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i don't believe that they are freaking out about the gender issue.

many people have posted views about me in the past and that's their right, posting personal information about me in a factual manner is nobodies right without my permission, and trust me, he doesn't have my permission.

i believe the issue is lori vs yugo/mmb, and they are using the "privacy violation"/permission/threat angle to force moderator action on it. if lori has spoken about or been cool with anybody else discussing gender in public, this is all but confirmed as fact.

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I also don't know why Lorinda is freaking out so much regarding the gender issue.

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i don't believe that they are freaking out about the gender issue:

many people have posted views about me in the past and that's their right, posting personal information about me in a factual manner is nobodies right without my permission, and trust me, he doesn't have my permission.

i believe the issue is lori vs yugo/mmb, and they are using the "privacy violation"/permission/threat angle to force moderator action on it. if lori has spoken about or been cool with anybody else discussing gender in public, this is all but confirmed as fact.

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I have asked lorinda as a personal favor to me now that the offending posts have been deleted to let this whole thing die, and this was agreed to. I'm don't know you nearly as well, astro, but I would very much appreciate it if you did the same.

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I also don't know why Lorinda is freaking out so much regarding the gender issue.

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i don't believe that they are freaking out about the gender issue:

many people have posted views about me in the past and that's their right, posting personal information about me in a factual manner is nobodies right without my permission, and trust me, he doesn't have my permission.

i believe the issue is lori vs yugo/mmb, and they are using the "privacy violation"/permission/threat angle to force moderator action on it. if lori has spoken about or been cool with anybody else discussing gender in public, this is all but confirmed as fact.

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I have asked lorinda as a personal favor to me now that the offending posts have been deleted to let this whole thing die, and this was agreed to. I'm don't know you nearly as well, astro, but I would very much appreciate it if you did the same.

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No way. This issue is way too absurd to let die so easily.

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I have asked lorinda as a personal favor to me now that the offending posts have been deleted to let this whole thing die, and this was agreed to. I'm don't know you nearly as well, astro, but I would very much appreciate it if you did the same.

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This 'letting it die' thing isn't working. I just got a mod notification from lorinda about a post asking about what was deleted (no info about Lorinda in it). She/he/it expects us to delete any questions about it too? meh.

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I also don't know why Lorinda is freaking out so much regarding the gender issue.

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i don't believe that they are freaking out about the gender issue:

many people have posted views about me in the past and that's their right, posting personal information about me in a factual manner is nobodies right without my permission, and trust me, he doesn't have my permission.

i believe the issue is lori vs yugo/mmb, and they are using the "privacy violation"/permission/threat angle to force moderator action on it. if lori has spoken about or been cool with anybody else discussing gender in public, this is all but confirmed as fact.

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I have asked lorinda as a personal favor to me now that the offending posts have been deleted to let this whole thing die, and this was agreed to. I'm don't know you nearly as well, astro, but I would very much appreciate it if you did the same.

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No way. This issue is way too absurd to let die so easily.

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Look, it's common knowledge that lorinda's fuse is much too short. It was far too much work for me to get lorinda to even let the situation drop with any piece of the thread surviving and mmbt0ne unbanned. I totally see where you guys are coming from... this whole situation is absurd, but lorinda is too valuable in other contexts to ban here.

If I was able to get lorinda to send you (astroglide) a PM apologizing for the tone of the previous PMs, would that be enough?

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Wait,

Lori though 'Tone should have been banned.

That's really asinine.

The more he refuses to be realistic about this, the more I really think a lesson via suspension needs to be taught.

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Wait,

Lori though 'Tone should have been banned.

That's really asinine.

The more he refuses to be realistic about this, the more I really think a lesson via suspension needs to be taught.

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Not anymore, please let it drop! [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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http://www.chriscardona.com/as_the_world_turns.jpg

This forum is really a weird place sometimes.

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Can you just ban him and pull the thread? It's a fairly serious breach of privacy stuff.

Anyway, do what you think best, it's your forum I'll hold you responsible for any more invasions of privacy I suffer.

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Neither of you did anything and now we have this trainwreck.

Just pull the thread, it's not [censored] difficult to understand.
If you don't want to ban your buddy then so be it, but this is totally out of line.

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the funny thing is, i urged lori to simply deny the allegations in the thread instead of having mod action taken on it because oot would do exactly what they are doing - ask questions about what happened, why it disappeared, why posts were edited, etc.

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We've reached a new pinnacle of excellence in prudish overmoderation it seems. How pathetic. I'm guessing diebitter is in some way responsible for this?

Cola, you might as well just delete the entire OOT forum while you're at it. Nowadays, it's rife with immaturity and vulgarity. It's just a cesspool, really. How I wish we could return to the halcyon times of threads about Andyfox's trip to the car wash with Clarkmeister and Dynasty.

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Ha! One post a month! I knew it!

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Can you just ban him and pull the thread? It's a fairly serious breach of privacy stuff.

Anyway, do what you think best, it's your forum I'll hold you responsible for any more invasions of privacy I suffer.

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Neither of you did anything and now we have this trainwreck.

Just pull the thread, it's not [censored] difficult to understand.
If you don't want to ban your buddy then so be it, but this is totally out of line.

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the funny thing is, i urged lori to simply deny the allegations in the thread instead of having mod action taken on it because oot would do exactly what they are doing - ask questions about what happened, why it disappeared, why posts were edited, etc.

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Somebody really needs to explain that the "privacy" dog won't hunt.

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just so you guys know what we're dealing with here, these are the quotes that lori freaked out about and declared a "trainwreck":

Yugoslav: What do you think of Lorinda/Lori?

mmbt0ne: Obviously a very good player, but I'm not sure why he plays so low. His style is definitely different than most of the stt forum, but it seems to work pretty well for the games he plays.

seriously. that's it. they were also buried in a thread with over 300 posts, and nobody even commented on them.

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just so you guys know what we're dealing with here, these are the quotes that lori freaked out about and declared a "trainwreck":

Yugoslav: What do you think of Lorinda/Lori?

mmbt0ne: Obviously a very good player, but I'm not sure why he plays so low. His style is definitely different than most of the stt forum, but it seems to work pretty well for the games he plays.

seriously. that's it. they were also buried in a thread with over 300 posts, and nobody even commented on them.

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That wasn't the only thing about Lori's gender in the thread. There was a question about what mmbt0ne thought about GrannyMae that asked if there were any other women who posted as men and he said Lori. It was still minor and not anything that should be considered inappropriate.

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What is your take on Grannymae?

What is your take on male posters that post under female names?

Which male posters do you know post under female names?

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lorinda is a very intelligent person, and, (although I didn't tell lorinda), it seems to me that somehow lorinda has discovered that if a poster wants something deleted, and it isn't, then Twoplustwo could be sued - hence, the threat of legal action to get the relevant posts deleted, which is probably in reality all lorinda wants.

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Id this true? I'd be shocked if it were true. I mean, sure anyone can sue for any baseless reason, but I don't think lorinda has any right to control the content of the boards, unless there's like a sex tape of hers linked somewhere.

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Lori only really posts in OOT when somebody posts about him. The weird thing is that when it happens, he's on it wicked fast (as was the case in the BUSTO thread). This is a person who seems to care WAY too much about the internet (as evidenced by the weird, yet very touching Granny Mae thing).

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I thought GrannyMae was the man.

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I also don't know why Lorinda is freaking out so much regarding the gender issue.

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i don't believe that they are freaking out about the gender issue:

many people have posted views about me in the past and that's their right, posting personal information about me in a factual manner is nobodies right without my permission, and trust me, he doesn't have my permission.

i believe the issue is lori vs yugo/mmb, and they are using the "privacy violation"/permission/threat angle to force moderator action on it. if lori has spoken about or been cool with anybody else discussing gender in public, this is all but confirmed as fact.

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I have asked lorinda as a personal favor to me now that the offending posts have been deleted to let this whole thing die, and this was agreed to. I'm don't know you nearly as well, astro, but I would very much appreciate it if you did the same.

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No way. This issue is way too absurd to let die so easily.

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lorinda is a very intelligent person, and, (although I didn't tell lorinda), it seems to me that somehow lorinda has discovered that if a poster wants something deleted, and it isn't, then Twoplustwo could be sued - hence, the threat of legal action to get the relevant posts deleted, which is probably in reality all lorinda wants.

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Id this true? I'd be shocked if it were true. I mean, sure anyone can sue for any baseless reason, but I don't think lorinda has any right to control the content of the boards, unless there's like a sex tape of hers linked somewhere.

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I'm not sure if that's really true either. Mat recently mentioned something about 2+2's lawyer telling them that they might have to delete a post(s) if the person who wrote it insists that it be deleted. But that's not the same as having to delete a post just because it contains information some other user doesn't want out there.

In this case it looks like we granted the request just because of the site's overall position on privacy.

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just so you guys know what we're dealing with here, these are the quotes that lori freaked out about and declared a "trainwreck":

Yugoslav: What do you think of Lorinda/Lori?

mmbt0ne: Obviously a very good player, but I'm not sure why he plays so low. His style is definitely different than most of the stt forum, but it seems to work pretty well for the games he plays.

seriously. that's it. they were also buried in a thread with over 300 posts, and nobody even commented on them.

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IMO, there is nothing that should be edited in this and 2+2 should not be held hostage by lori. I'd favor an explanation to lori about how she cannot go apeshit whenever she wants, and if necessary a suspension.

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lorinda is a very intelligent person, and, (although I didn't tell lorinda), it seems to me that somehow lorinda has discovered that if a poster wants something deleted, and it isn't, then Twoplustwo could be sued - hence, the threat of legal action to get the relevant posts deleted, which is probably in reality all lorinda wants.

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Id this true? I'd be shocked if it were true. I mean, sure anyone can sue for any baseless reason, but I don't think lorinda has any right to control the content of the boards, unless there's like a sex tape of hers linked somewhere.

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I'm not sure if that's really true either. Mat recently mentioned something about 2+2's lawyer telling them that they might have to delete a post(s) if the person who wrote it insists that it be deleted. But that's not the same as having to delete a post just because it contains information some other user doesn't want out there.

In this case it looks like we granted the request just because of the site's overall position on privacy.

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Right, that makes sense. It's a different issue when one is talking abuot one's own post.

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lorinda is a very intelligent person, and, (although I didn't tell lorinda), it seems to me that somehow lorinda has discovered that if a poster wants something deleted, and it isn't, then Twoplustwo could be sued - hence, the threat of legal action to get the relevant posts deleted, which is probably in reality all lorinda wants.

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Is this true? I'd be shocked if it were true. I mean, sure anyone can sue for any baseless reason, but I don't think lorinda has any right to control the content of the boards, unless there's like a sex tape of hers linked somewhere.

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I was remembering Mat's post of:

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We confirmed with our lawyer, friday, that the only instance where we might face a legal problem is when we are asked to delete information, and decline to do so. I'm just letting everyone know that if a request is made and the decision seems close, we will always support your decisions to delete.

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I didn't, and don't, equate this to mean only when the request comes from the person who wrote the post in question.

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I didn't, and don't, equate this to mean only when the request comes from the person who wrote the post in question.

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I do, because there would be no real point in having the forum if anyone could demand that any posts or information related to them be removed.

For instance, what if I demand that any information in any post which shows that I'm not very smart be removed? Where would that end? Again, I think this was more about our general take on privacy than anything else. I also think I'm correct about what Mat meant because of the context in which he made that comment. He said it in a thread about a poster wanting one of his own posts/threads removed.

I've been known to be wrong before, though. I'm sure Mat will set me straight if I am about this.

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I do, because there would be no real point in having the forum if anyone could demand that any posts or information related to them be removed.


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Anyone can demand anything at any time, as we all well know.

Whether we agree that they have a point, and that if they threatened to sue, or sued, anyone should be concerned, is an entirely different matter. (Although threats of legal action usually win even in neutral circumstances, as no one wants to pay legal fees when something isn't very important, in the first place.)

My point in the lorinda case was that, to me, lorinda appeared to know that it was a topical subject, and lorinda used it to lorinda's advantage. (I might be seeing far too much in this, of course.)

Personally, (and I know this is irrelevant), I don't think lorinda would have a leg to stand on in this particular incident, and even lorinda's own lawyer would have advised against lorinda spending money on threatening to sue.

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lorinda is a very intelligent person, and, (although I didn't tell lorinda), it seems to me that somehow lorinda has discovered that if a poster wants something deleted, and it isn't, then Twoplustwo could be sued - hence, the threat of legal action to get the relevant posts deleted, which is probably in reality all lorinda wants.

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Is this true? I'd be shocked if it were true. I mean, sure anyone can sue for any baseless reason, but I don't think lorinda has any right to control the content of the boards, unless there's like a sex tape of hers linked somewhere.

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I was remembering Mat's post of:

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We confirmed with our lawyer, friday, that the only instance where we might face a legal problem is when we are asked to delete information, and decline to do so. I'm just letting everyone know that if a request is made and the decision seems close, we will always support your decisions to delete.

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I didn't, and don't, equate this to mean only when the request comes from the person who wrote the post in question.

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Perhaps not, but this can't mean exactly what's written as that would be far too overbroad. It ceartinly couldn't mean that I (or anyone) could just request any piece of "information" be deleted, no matter how little or much it might be about me.

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Whether we agree that they have a point, and that if they threatened to sue, or sued, anyone should be concerned, is an entirely different matter. (Although threats of legal action usually win even in neutral circumstances, as no one wants to pay legal fees when something isn't very important, in the first place.)

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Agreed.

My main issue with all of this is that I don't think any of us want to have to start deleting more and more content just because one person doesn't want some piece of information out there. Obviously if the information is an address, phone number, or something similiar, we're already more than willing to kill the post.

I just don't want the members to start getting silly about this. It would begin to ruin many threads and the overall site.

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Yes.

I would refer you back to astroglide's post, where he hit the nail on the head:

Mum's the word.

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So what do we do when we get a pm like this:

I would like to request that all information about how to play AKo be deleted from any and all forums. The spread of such information is potentially harmful to me and hence I'm bothered to see it.

Please comply by deleting such posts so that further (possibly legal) action on my part doesn't need to be taken. Thank you in advance.

Sincerely,

Joe_User37

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just so you guys know what we're dealing with here, these are the quotes that lori freaked out about and declared a "trainwreck":

Yugoslav: What do you think of Lorinda/Lori?

mmbt0ne: Obviously a very good player, but I'm not sure why he plays so low. His style is definitely different than most of the stt forum, but it seems to work pretty well for the games he plays.

seriously. that's it. they were also buried in a thread with over 300 posts, and nobody even commented on them.

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IMO, there is nothing that should be edited in this and 2+2 should not be held hostage by lori. I'd favor an explanation to lori about how she cannot go apeshit whenever she wants, and if necessary a suspension.

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Let me try to explain lori's position a little better... the following quote is in the ToS.

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Confirming that Lori is male despite the recent STT forum poll which shows that less than half of respondents believe Lorinda is male shows that it's certainly not well known by everybody. Realize that nearly everyone who was selected to be a mod was selected because they've been around awhile and are active, in addition to other factors. So whether WE (taken individually) already knew is a completely separate issue than whether it's general knowledge. Perhaps a poster's gender is not what was meant by the privacy policy, but that was not made clear.

Of course, the above paragraph does not excuse Lorinda's subsequent actions, especially the tone that was used in the PMs to astroglide. I definitely think Lorinda overreacted (greatly), but I also think that there's definitely at least some merit to Lorinda's position, and that's why I'm doing my best to get the whole thing put behind us with as little ill will on both sides as possible. I know there will be some on both sides no matter what I do, but I like to think that the current state of things is a pretty fair compromise, with perhaps the only change should be Lorinda needing to send an apology PM to astroglide for the tone of those PMs?

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Let me try to explain lori's position a little better... the following quote is in the ToS:


the privacy rule: don't discuss a person's private life unless you're sure they wouldn't mind.

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Just to make things more clear, this isn't in the T&C. That quote is found in the OOT sticky. I agree with it, and it's definitely the way we want to do things, but it's not in the T&C. That makes a difference when it comes to being sued and such.

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So what do we do when we get a pm like this:

I would like to request that all information about how to play AKo be deleted from any and all forums. The spread of such information is potentially harmful to me and hence I'm bothered to see it.

Please comply by deleting such posts so that further (possibly legal) action on my part doesn't need to be taken. Thank you in advance.

Sincerely,

Joe_User37

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Well, if you are serious that you need some sort of stab at an answer, the first thing any mod should say is:

"Mat, I've received this pm. How do you want to proceed?"

If Mat replies, "I don't know. What do you think on this one?" then any mod that should be a mod will probably say something like, "The man is insane and a troublemaker. Ban him and deal with his lawyer's letter when it arrives."

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I'm pretty sure the point he was trying to make is that what kind of 'information' people can make us remove should probably be a bit more clear if we are indeed talking about removing or editing a user's post(s) at another user's request.

I still don't think we'll be doing that in most cases, though. Not sure at this point. Eventually Mat will probably post some sort of clarification just because at least a few of us are so unsure about this.

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I still don't think we'll be doing that in most cases, though.

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I really hope we all agree with this. Deleting posts is the last thing we should be doing, in most cases.

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I was staying out of this because I've been on good pm/e-mail terms with lorinda for four or five years, and know bits and pieces about lorinda's real life, although lorinda has always been a very private person both on and off the boards.

If you look at lorinda's posting history, you will see that although people try to hit on lorinda every now and then, lorinda will NEVER respond in a sexual way. The ONLY indication that lorinda is female is the name lorinda, and, of course, the avatar.

Obviously, I know lorinda's real name and sex, but I am not going to state what I know, as this is confidential information given to me because of our friendly relationship.

I have not been in touch with lorinda over this matter, and it does seem like a bit of an over-reaction, to me, and I can't explain why it has become such a big deal to lorinda on this occasion.

I accept fully that if lorinda prefers that everyone thinks lorinda is female, that's lorinda's prerogative in a largely anonymous internet forum.

lorinda is a very intelligent person, and, (although I didn't tell lorinda), it seems to me that somehow lorinda has discovered that if a poster wants something deleted, and it isn't, then Twoplustwo could be sued - hence, the threat of legal action to get the relevant posts deleted, which is probably in reality all lorinda wants.

(Again, in reality, people in the UK don't sue, as a rule - it's a different world over here in that respect - so it is an empty threat, I believe. lorinda's good at running bluffs, don't forget!)

I'd HATE lorinda to be banned. lorinda is a major part of Twoplustwo's history. I can't actually see any reason to ban lorinda, simply because lorinda has reacted angrily to a thread that has really pissed lorinda off, for whatever reason.

I would ask that we delete the "offending" posts, as lorinda requested, and let the water run under the bridge. In fact, lorinda might leave of lorinda's own accord if lorinda falls out with more than a couple of people over this - it's the way lorinda is as a person.

Finally, Lori was created because at one point GrannyMae was on death's door, with 2500 posts to Granny's name. lorinda vowed that lorinda would never post more than 2500 posts, as a sign of respect, and therefore had to start the Lori account. After Granny's heart operation and recovery, lorinda was able to post again. In the early days of the use of the two accounts, I think lorinda was used for poker posts and Lori for chat posts, (or vice versa). I don't know if that is the case now, as lorinda sort of fell out with me when I was made a moderator in "lorinda's" Zoo, and lorinda moved to the strategy forums.

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I pretty much agree with Mike 100% on this. Lori/Lorinda has been a very valuable 2+2 poster for several years. He put in many hours creating the Zoo FAQ and helped out many fellow posters in the 'Old Zoo'. He also played in well over 90% of the King Of The Zoo (KOTZ) tournies. With the poker boom and associated influx of new posters he became more of a lurker in the Zoo.

I think established, valuable posters like this should be provided much more leeway than n00bs. If possible legal action was posted in a thread by Lori then Mat may want to contact him and let him know that this is NOT acceptable. Not an official warning per se, but still let him know that Mat is involved and does not appreciate lawsuit threats. An alternative would be to just hope this blows over.

I have not kept up on these threads as these past two days I have only frequented the Zoo, sporting events and this mod forum. Work and my childrens activities have kept me pretty busy. Hopefully, this will just blow over............

Thank you,

Jim Kuhn
Catfish4u
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Re: the mmtbone thread - mod discussion
 

I am not a legal expert but I would think personal information would be the only things that must be deleted/edited upon request. If a user name is anon then it should not matter. I could be a 43 year old guy or an 11 year old girl. On the internet you never know! I could even be both as someone could be hacking my account and posting for me when I'm not around.

I think we should usually edit things out of courtesy within reason. The 'within reason' part is why we are mods. Mat has trusted us to utilize common sense and good judgement to 'do the right things'. JMHO

Thank you,

Jim Kuhn
Catfish4u
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