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Why did you call the turn? There's been no discussion hammering the call.

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i think considering this would be kinda an awkward spot to bluff (esp considering how passive he is, although he prob doenst realize how that comes into play), I like a bet of less then pot, around 1600 or so. He'll probably talk himself into a call at that price. If he has a 9 or course he'll call, but I think hands with 9s in them are definitely the minority of his range.

basically i dont think a huge overbet bluff is a easy to sell here, if you had a hand you wanted to bluff with you'd probably just check it down and take half the pot against this passive guy. So i'd make a bet that i'd make with 9x. If you overbet shove he will probably lay down a nine and certainly wont call to chop.

that said mashing pot is a close 2nd to me b/c of how bluffy it looks

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mashing pot is easily best b/c it's UB, on another site maybe 1800ish would be better

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Pot for sure. I'm a 5/10 HU reg on there and this is our best idea.. I'm not sure who you are playing but I have a suspicion.

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based on the description of the flow of the match, betting turn is likely not so good given the risk of villain raising hero off the hand. if villain is underbetting pot, then it's a good spot to just check/call.

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cts,

Against this guy it seems clear you have to bet. I also can't see betting less than pot on UB. I think pot is the way to go here, but I think this is a decent spot to push as well.

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Definately not less than 3/4pot but as described with UP dynamics/betsizes betting pot looks almost the same (especially if he doesn't know you are CTS but perceives you as a loose Lagtard/Maniac).
We could make an argument for overbets or shoves but with the provided information I have trouble to estimate a calling frequency so I cannot tell which one offers more expected value.
C/R seems awful if he is almost never bluffing but might call big bets loosely in that spot.

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I agree with FwF, in large part because of this.

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Bet the flop and stack off. (edit: only because you said:
My image is just so dumb and with the speed he called pre I think he's going to try to win the pot so I just check and give up.)
I agree with just potting the river.

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pot/shove river ftw

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Shove.

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stop saying ftw every time you post in an nl thread fish

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When are you going to stop running so good. Bet river obviously since he thinks youre a maniac. Any 9 here will raise a river bet so you get monies regardless.

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all in

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people who want to bet the turn:

why?

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When are you going to stop running so good. Bet river obviously since he thinks youre a maniac. Any 9 here will raise a river bet so you get monies regardless.

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no a nine will not raise

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a 9 wont raise, we 3bet pf, chk'd flop and c/c turn. i like fwf's line best here.

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http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/975/upotsslgmp8.jpg
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/9...4be0bb9eee.jpg
or if you prefer
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/8...juana11cl6.jpg
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/8...eb3d348646.jpg

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the latter obv, but i still disagree.

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i like cminraise or pot. i rly dont like a shove at all.

-Mike

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people who want to bet the turn:

why?

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srsly. fold better? ya right. call from worse? ya right. build pot so when you hit you can make mad monies? that's what fish do. Only reason I could see for betting is a blocking bet of like $400 so you dont have to pay much to draw, but I still think that's bad.

someone explain

-DrG

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looking back thru this thread the central disagreement is whether this guy will try to pot us off a split. If yes c/r is obviously better. I think this opponent will not, especially given a flush hit. Therefore, potting or 3/4 seems much better.

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i would bet the turn to set up a river shove

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what does that rep and what does it fold out?

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what does that rep and what does it fold out?

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reps a straight or a turned set or a flush draw and it folds out pawket ducks or AK if it gest there this way

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you said villain does not make large river bluffs... so i expect that he won't be one to push this spot here trying to get you off a chop (especially when you could easily have a big flush in your range given ch/ch flop, c/c turn line)...
you also said he's not bad, so i don't think he stacks off with a naked 9 here to a c/rai... or at least i think there's a very good chance he folds it, making it not worth it since he will always call a bet with a 9 anyways.
so i think a bet is the best way to go here...
i like betting 1500$.

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what does that rep and what does it fold out?

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reps a straight or a turned set or a flush draw and it folds out pawket ducks or AK if it gest there this way

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villian never shows up with Ak here i dont think. esp given that cts has 3bet a tonnnn. also i dont think any pair or draw folds that turn if we bet. love to hear what cts has to say about turn, though.

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Ak here i dont think. esp given that cts has 3bet a tonnnn. also i dont think any pair or draw folds that turn if we bet. love to hear what cts has to say about turn, though.

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couldn't have said it better

dude always bets way too small, so i can draw cheap, and i will have the best hand sometimes too. chances of him folding any pair if i pot the turn... LOL

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if we bet the turn we can bet the river, are you saying he's calling turn + riv with 33? because i think that is incredibly important

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I think this is a free pass for $1800ish to get snap called. I'd stick with your initial read that this pot has his name all over it. He wants half the pot. Disappoint him.