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Yeah, I could've, but I am a big believer in rewarding someone when they do something right and punishing someone when they do something wrong. Unfortunately there's too little punishing in society so I try to make up for that.

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Just an incredibly douchey comment. This is a goddamn sports forum on a discussion board.

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That rotation is too risky IMO. Every issue that Smoltz and Glavine had durability health-wise can only be expected to be a litle worse this year. And who knows about Hampton. They need another legit #3 guy in there.

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Wasn't Glavine pretty much done last year? A 96 ERA+, 4.1k/G and 2.9BB/G. I mean, maybe he rebounds, but the dude is a million years old at this point and another season like the last wouldn't be unexpected. I guess it depends on how much they pay him but it might not be a bad idea to hold on to that draft pick.

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I like this deal a lot, 1st Rd draft picks are basically crapshots anyway. If Glavine can stay healthy and continue to pitch well this could really solidify the rotation.

-Smoltz
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-Glavine
-James
-Hampton/Carlyle

This could be among the best Rotations in the League if the older guys can continue to pitch well and stay healthy. Hudson needs to get his career back on track and perform like he did in Oakland in the late 90's early 00's. Chuck James looks like he will be an average-above average middle of the rotation starter, and with Hampton who knows.

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And that's the huge caveat. James and Carlyle are both #5 starters, and Hampton (even if healthy, a huge if) will probably be a marginal #5 given his age, time off, etc. Who knows what to expect with him.

We can't expect Smoltz to remain healthy for the entire regular season, let alone into the playoffs at this stage of his career. Glavine loses gas down the stretch at his age, and Hudson can be schizophrenic. We still need a solid #4 pitcher, at least.

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Wtf is up w/ all the Chipper bashing? I seriously doubt half the stuff said about him in this thread are true. Not a leader.......lol. I seriously doubt anyone posting about Chipper's showering habits is a very credible person to listen to. Trying to bash on Chipper is like bashing on Al Gore for turning on lights in his house. You obviously don't like him for some stupid reason and will latch on to any stupid rumor to justify it.

And lol at Smoltz calling him out for playing injured. He's a fking pitcher!!!!

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Yeah, I could've, but I am a big believer in rewarding someone when they do something right and punishing someone when they do something wrong. Unfortunately there's too little punishing in society so I try to make up for that.

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Just an incredibly douchey comment. This is a goddamn sports forum on a discussion board.

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IME I've learned people who actually use the word "douche" and "douchebag" are retards not worth the time of day.

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Glavine signed for 8 million according to wsb.

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Wtf is up w/ all the Chipper bashing? I seriously doubt half the stuff said about him in this thread are true. Not a leader.......lol. I seriously doubt anyone posting about Chipper's showering habits is a very credible person to listen to. Trying to bash on Chipper is like bashing on Al Gore for turning on lights in his house. You obviously don't like him for some stupid reason and will latch on to any stupid rumor to justify it.

And lol at Smoltz calling him out for playing injured. He's a fking pitcher!!!!

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Smoltz is the clubhouse leader and he proved it by doing that. Perhaps you should try watching more games instead of posting ignorant crap like that.

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Glavine signed for 8 million according to wsb.

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I know little about MLB free agency, did the Mets offer arbitration?

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Glavine signed for 8 million according to wsb.

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I know little about MLB free agency, did the Mets offer arbitration?

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He didnt say. Just mentioned the money.

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Hudson pitched pretty well last year.

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Glavine signed for 8 million according to wsb.

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I know little about MLB free agency, did the Mets offer arbitration?

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They haven't yet, but they will for sure now. The arb deadline is the first week in December.

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Glavine signed for 8 million according to wsb.

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I know little about MLB free agency, did the Mets offer arbitration?

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They haven't yet, but they will for sure now. The arb deadline is the first week in December.

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Alright, well good, as long as Glavine declines the arb, but knowing him he'll accept just to spite the Mets. I want those grade A FA draft picks.

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Glavine signed for 8 million according to wsb.

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I know little about MLB free agency, did the Mets offer arbitration?

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They haven't yet, but they will for sure now. The arb deadline is the first week in December.

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What happens then? Atlanta lose a draft pick right?

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Yeah, I could've, but I am a big believer in rewarding someone when they do something right and punishing someone when they do something wrong. Unfortunately there's too little punishing in society so I try to make up for that.

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Just an incredibly douchey comment. This is a goddamn sports forum on a discussion board.

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IME I've learned people who actually use the word "douche" and "douchebag" are retards not worth the time of day.

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LOLOLOLOLOLOL

OK, let's try other words you might not have a problem with: smug, arrogant, elitist, bitchy....

For the record, the poster you were originally mocking was closer on what might actually happen to this team than you might believe. First, it is indeed a possibility that Anderson is the short term replacement for Andruw at CF. Just something to bridge the gap until Schafer or Lillibridge is ready. That was partly the motivation for completing the deal. Frank Wren himself stated that if there were no other options for a one year replacement, and if you have looked at the market for CF'ers there may not be, Anderson may very well slide into the slot on opening day. He will certainly compete for it.
http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sp...116.html?imw=Y

Second, people are saying Chipper is selfish. You disagree. Did John Smoltz of all people not insinuate that when he called out Chipper for taking too much time off for his "injuries". I am guessing that Smoltz knows Chipper better than you do. I recall that the time when that happened last summer was right before Chipper was about to take himself out of the lineup again, while the team was reeling, and go back on the DL for some other "Chipper" injury. I also recall that the very next day of the confrontation Chipper decided that he may not have needed to go on the DL, and promptly hit a home run that game and proceeded to go on one of the biggest second half tears of his career. Again, all with an injury that may have forced him to go on the DL had Smoltz not called him out.

I personally think that Chipper is undoubtedly one of the greatest hitters of the last 20 years and a sure-fire HOFer. I also don't know if Chipper is "selfish", but is it really so far-fetched to believe that he might be?

Basically, get your facts straight before you start making "douchey" comments.

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I know little about MLB free agency, did the Mets offer arbitration?

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They haven't yet, but they will for sure now. The arb deadline is the first week in December.

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What happens then? Atlanta lose a draft pick right?

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Yes. When a team signs a type A or B player before the arb deadline, their former team always offers arbitration and recieves draft pick compensation.

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I thought MLB teams couldn't give away draft picks, and that the Mets in this case would get a compensatory pick at the end of the round without the Braves giving up anything. Am I wrong?

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I thought MLB teams couldn't give away draft picks, and that the Mets in this case would get a compensatory pick at the end of the round without the Braves giving up anything. Am I wrong?

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It's only if the Braves have a protected pick (in the top half of the draft). I doubt they do.

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The Braves I think pick #18, but don't quote me. Also, I could have sworn that Mark Bowman (Braves MLB.com writer) said that the Braves would absolutely not have to give up a first round pick, only a sandwich pick, but I keep hearing that we will from everywhere else. I have no idea who to believe.

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Type As mean you give up a pick (1st if not top 15, 2nd if top 15), and the other team also gets a sandwich pick from the league. Type B just gets the latter.

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If you actually want to get serious, this should be easy.

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OK, let's try other words you might not have a problem with: smug, arrogant, elitist, bitchy....

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You know, saying something without explaining why isn't a great reason to accomplish anything. Unless, well, you're just trolling and flaming for no reason. If so, enjoy.

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First, it is indeed a possibility

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Is anything not a "possibility"?

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that Anderson is the short term replacement for Andruw at CF.

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Anderson had a 666 OPS at age 24 in Triple-A -- in the PACIFIC COAST LEAGUE, a substantial hitter's league.

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Just something to bridge the gap until Schafer or Lillibridge is ready. That was partly the motivation for completing the deal. Frank Wren himself stated that if there were no other options for a one year replacement, and if you have looked at the market for CF'ers there may not be, Anderson may very well slide into the slot on opening day. He will certainly compete for it.
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You can believe all you want over what comes out of executives' mouth in what amounts to PR spin. No MLB team is going to start a 25-year-old who cannot hit in the minor leagues at center field, and even if they did, you get no credit for even remotely assuming / guessing / predicting that would happen because it's a stupid prediction. No MLB team does something that stupid, not even the Royals.

I'd be willing to give you 5:1 odds for whatever dollar amount you want that it doesn't happen.

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Second, people are saying Chipper is selfish. You disagree.

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Wrong. I'm not disagreeing that people are saying Chipper is selfish. That's not something you can really disagree with. I'm disagreeing that it matters in even the slightest of slightests.

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I am guessing that Smoltz knows Chipper better than you do.

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I'm guessing Chipper and the training staff know Chipper's injuries better than Smoltz.

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I recall that the time when that happened last summer was right before Chipper was about to take himself out of the lineup again, while the team was reeling, and go back on the DL for some other "Chipper" injury. I also recall that the very next day of the confrontation Chipper decided that he may not have needed to go on the DL, and promptly hit a home run that game and proceeded to go on one of the biggest second half tears of his career. Again, all with an injury that may have forced him to go on the DL had Smoltz not called him out.

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Human memories are notoriously faulty. I don't recall any such thing about Chipper going on the DL and then suddenly stopping and playing through an injury just because Smoltz told him to. But links would be appreciative, and I have no doubt that even if that were true that it wouldn't be remotely close to the whole story.

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Basically, get your facts straight before you start making "douchey" comments.

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Um, you didn't really have any facts. You had your memory...

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I am starting to like you.

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I'd be willing to give you 5:1 odds for whatever dollar amount you want that it doesn't happen.

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16% is probably about right. The guys on their 40 man roster that could be the opening day CF are Anderson, Gregor Blanco, and that all time superstar Willie Harris. The Braves may not want to start Anderson in CF in an ideal world, but if a more reasonable option doesn't present itself, he would not be as terrible a stopgap as you make out. With Anderson's speed, he profiles as a quality 4th OF, and those are the types that slide in when there is an injury or a roster malfunction. The Braves definitley don't want to ink anybody to a long term deal, so if it comes to it, Anderson will start in CF, bat 8th, and the Braves will spend their money elsewhere. It doesn't matter what the executives say. One look at the Braves roster and you can see that it is a distinct possibility that Anderson is the team's 2008 primary CF. Kenny Lofton is looking mighty appealing to the Braves right about now.

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You forgot about Andruw Jones.

Or pretty much anyone else in the MLB. Hell, move Francoeur to CF, get any scrub in the corner OF or platoon. Anderson is below replacement level.

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You forgot about Andruw Jones.

Or pretty much anyone else in the MLB. Hell, move Francoeur to CF, get any scrub in the corner OF or platoon. Anderson is below replacement level.

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No, Anderson is not below replacement level. You forget about two little things called speed and defense. Even Nook Logan had a 2.0 WARP last year in ~350 PA. I'd put the over/under on Andersonas a regular CF at about 1.5. That makes Andruw Jones and his 7.5 projection worht about $15MM-$17MM to the Braves, exactly what he'll get via arb.

If Jones will accept a one year deal, arb or otherwise, that's a good move. The Braves are not a team that ink long term deals for overpriced veterans to block their top prospects. Moving Francouer to CF might not be terrible for one year, but I doubt they can do any better buying a RF when you factor in the loss of defense at two positioins. Anderson will be a bad regular CF, but if he plays average defense, his offense won't kill him to the point of being below replacement level. He will also cost a measly $300k. Whether or not buying a CF/RF is worth it depends on what they can get vs what else they can get for the money. To tell you the truth, this market is so barren, the Braves might just be best off throwing that money into their draft pool and trying to make do with Brandon Jones, Lillibridge, Blanco, and Anderson and see if they can't deal prospects at the deadline. The only other FA I can see that makes any sense is Luis Gonzalez. That would put Brandon Jones/Matt Diaz in RF and Frenchy to CF and be a terrible defensive OF. The other FA option would be to take the OF money and throw it at an injury risk pitcher.

BTW, the more I think about it, the more I think Lofton is the perfect fit for Atlanta (although I think he's a perfect fit for many teams). He'll project about 4.5 wins, so that's a 3 win improvement over Anderson and he'll only cost about $6MM-$7MM on a one year deal. The Braves have enough cheap depth in the OF to cover the time his old legs need to spend on the bench.

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Dude, he had a 666 OPS at Triple-A in the PCL. Wtf does that translate to in the MLB, EqA wise? .210? .200? Logan had a .241 EqA.

Speed and defense are basically the same. The two or three runs of supposedly plus baserunning Anderson may add are basically insignificant.

Ever heard of Geoff Jenkins? Cliff Floyd? Jeff DaVanon? Yep, taken right from Sheehan's column. None of these guys would require more than a one-year guaranteed contract. Super easy stuff. Go trade for a [censored] OF who will cost nothing.

The Braves aren't dumb. If they have Anderson in CF they substantially rape their chances of making the playoffs and cost themselves way too much. It's not happening.

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BTW, the more I think about it, the more I think Lofton is the perfect fit for Atlanta (although I think he's a perfect fit for many teams). He'll project about 4.5 wins, so that's a 3 win improvement over Anderson and he'll only cost about $6MM-$7MM on a one year deal. The Braves have enough cheap depth in the OF to cover the time his old legs need to spend on the bench.

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He would be an ideal stopgap, but I don't think the Braves will have much interest in Lofton. He is about the only player that Bobby Cox never got along with and there was a reason he was shipped back to Cleveland after one all-star season in Atlanta.

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i don't know too much about ur rotation, but if glavine is ur 4 starter, good value to signing him...

i'm looking forward to him throwing a no-no against us at some point this season coz u know it's gonna happen

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Dude, he had a 666 OPS at Triple-A in the PCL. Wtf does that translate to in the MLB, EqA wise? .210? .200? Logan had a .241 EqA.

Speed and defense are basically the same. The two or three runs of supposedly plus baserunning Anderson may add are basically insignificant.

Ever heard of Geoff Jenkins? Cliff Floyd? Jeff DaVanon? Yep, taken right from Sheehan's column. None of these guys would require more than a one-year guaranteed contract. Super easy stuff. Go trade for a [censored] OF who will cost nothing.

The Braves aren't dumb. If they have Anderson in CF they substantially rape their chances of making the playoffs and cost themselves way too much. It's not happening.

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PECOTA projected Anderson to an eqa in the neighborhood of ~.240 heading into this year. That will come down slightly. They had him with a defensive WARP of 2.0 over ~125 games. That won't come down. Even if he's a replacement level hitter, PECOTA will project him as a two win player. Giving him a projection of 1.5 is conservative.

Da Vanon's WARP the last three years? (-.3),1.5, 1.3, he's 34, and not good defensively. Da Vanon is clearly a worse option than Josh Anderson regardless of price.

The 35 year old Cliff Floyd's WARP over the last two years? 1.4 and 1.6. No, he's not suddenly going to stay healthy. He's good for 300 PA max. With Floyd you lose defense at THREE positions. Again, clearly a worse option than Josh Anderson regardless of price.

Geoff Jenkins is 33 years old and has posted WARPs of 3.3 in each of the last two years. He's got that 6.9 from 2005 to cling to. At least he's a clear upgrade in talent over Anderson. You'd still be downgrading defensively in two spots, which decreases some of the benefit. If Jenkins will sign a 1 year, $4MM deal, he'd be a wash with Anderson in terms of value, although probably worth it if they can't spend the money elsewhere. There is a strong argument that money could be better spent on draft picks in June allowing them to trade a prospect for a rental in the second half of the season.

For crying out loud! Brandon Jones and Gregor Blanco are better options than the first two guys you mentioned and still more cost effective than Jenkins. Those are the two guys you should be comparing Anderson against, not some old nag free agents.

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OK Vyse,

You seriously need me to explain? OK. You come on a SPORTS DISCUSSION BOARD, where we are just shooting the [censored] and speculating about our favorite teams, and promptly call the fans "uninformed", "stupid", etc. without backing up why. To add to the trollishness you than speculate that the Braves might take Andruw back, which is a much more remote possibility after we told him to walk than all the things said prior combined. You than proceed to defend your douchiness by saying some crap about rewarding people when they are right, and punishing when wrong (apparently because the opinion doesn't match your own), and calling perfectly reasonable statements "laughable, indefensible", and to top it off go on to admitting to being a dick. I am simply restating what you typed. Does that sum it up?

On other points, you admittedly establish that you think it is a complete joke that Anderson open the season as starter when it is instead a very real possibility (see link...you can also find many more if need be). Perhaps you would understand part of the reasoning if you looked beyond his minor league stats but at his limited mlb time.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/player...e?statsId=8105
While this obviously doesn't make him an all-star, he may also not be the complete scrub that you make him out to be. Frank Wren and the Braves scouting department obviously believe that he can be a player. You do not, and go on to say that even if he does become a starter, "you get no credit for even remotely assuming / guessing / predicting that would happen because it's a stupid prediction". Get credit???? I don't want him to be our starter, and hope that he isn't. Secondly, I never did predict that he would start. All I said is that it is a real possibility which you so abruptly dismissed because again Braves GM Vyse thinks it is "stupid".

Chipper Jones:
http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/...m-john-smoltz/
First, my memory is more accurate than your facts. Second, I am guessing Chipper and the the training staff may not know his injuries that well if John Smoltz is proven 100% correct. Then again though, you're right, Smoltz is always talking [censored] about teammates and should probably be ignored.
Third, if Chipper is selfish it certainly does matter if it gets in the way of his bat being in the lineup.

Thanks for playing

By the way, if you are compelled to call out and "punish" others on false assumptions, there is NO chance Francouer goes to CF. That possibility was shot down weeks ago.

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I'm pretty sure I remember Chipper renegotiating his deal to give the Braves some pretty significant financial flexibility a couple years ago. He can't be that selfish, but I understand where Smoltz is coming from. Smoltz has always seemed like a throwback type player that thinks it's important to play through pain. Ironically, of all the long time Braves from the 90's-00's he's missed the most time from injuries, but he's also pitched through pain a lot and has always been a big time performer in big games.

Do you guys think this team needs to add another bat to be competitive for the World Series? If you had the choice between a middle of the order hitting outfielder(A.Jones, T.Hunter, A.Rowand), a quality closer (F.Cordero), or a #2-3 type starting pitcher, what would be the best fit for this team?

Would it be worth it to take advantage of having Smoltz, Teixiera, and Glavine this year and sacrifice some top prospects in some sort of trade for a differance maker? Would Shaefer/Heyward, Jurrjens, and Lillibridge be a package that could get someone like Johan Santana or Jake Peavy?

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Perhaps you would understand part of the reasoning if you looked beyond his minor league stats but at his limited mlb time.
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Perhaps you would understand part of the reasoning if you looked beyond his minor league stats but at his limited mlb time.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Wow.

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PECOTA projected Anderson to an eqa in the neighborhood of ~.240 heading into this year. That will come down slightly. They had him with a defensive WARP of 2.0 over ~125 games. That won't come down. Even if he's a replacement level hitter, PECOTA will project him as a two win player. Giving him a projection of 1.5 is conservative.

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Actually, I have the book in my hands right now. PECOTA projected a .237 EqA and -3 defense in 118 games. He had -12 defense in Double-A in 06. He's not good defensively. They called him "an aspiring fifth outfielder type." Sounds fun.

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Da Vanon's WARP the last three years? (-.3),1.5, 1.3, he's 34, and not good defensively. Da Vanon is clearly a worse option than Josh Anderson regardless of price.

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Stop cherrypicking stupid stats, like seriously. He basically didn't play at all this year. He still has a career .349 OBP and a .749 OPS. Career .273 Eqa. Dude, Anderson can't even get a 700 OPS IN TRIPLE A. And his D, judging by BP's metrics anyway, is about the same as Anderson's.... What are you smoking?

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The 35 year old Cliff Floyd's WARP over the last two years? 1.4 and 1.6. No, he's not suddenly going to stay healthy. He's good for 300 PA max. With Floyd you lose defense at THREE positions. Again, clearly a worse option than Josh Anderson regardless of price.

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Do you know the meaning of the word platoon? Are you intentionally being as dumb as possible and cherry picking the worst stats you can? He's good against righties and his D is barely below to moderately below average, not horrible. Way more wins than Anderson will provide.

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Geoff Jenkins is 33 years old and has posted WARPs of 3.3 in each of the last two years. He's got that 6.9 from 2005 to cling to.

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The fact that you think the only thing you need to analyze players is WARP shows that a) you're either really bad at utilizing sabermetric tools or b) you suck at playing Devil's Advocate.

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At least he's a clear upgrade in talent over Anderson. You'd still be downgrading defensively in two spots, which decreases some of the benefit. If Jenkins will sign a 1 year, $4MM deal, he'd be a wash with Anderson in terms of value, although probably worth it if they can't spend the money elsewhere. There is a strong argument that money could be better spent on draft picks in June allowing them to trade a prospect for a rental in the second half of the season.

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lol @ you thinking Anderson's worth it just because you project him as a 1.5 win player who makes 400K.

A 25-year-old had his worst professional season ever and coming in he was already "good" for a .237 EqA with negative defense. What?

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For crying out loud! Brandon Jones and Gregor Blanco are better options than the first two guys you mentioned and still more cost effective than Jenkins. Those are the two guys you should be comparing Anderson against, not some old nag free agents.

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The main value in FA is platoons, which are easy and cheap to find. I can't and won't take you seriously if all you throw out is "lolol guy had x.x WARP and I'm not going to mention his playing time or anything else, WARP = all."

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Actually, I have the book in my hands right now. PECOTA projected a .237 EqA and -3 defense in 118 games.

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Please click this link.

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The main value in FA is platoons, which are easy and cheap to find. I can't and won't take you seriously if all you throw out is "lolol guy had x.x WARP and I'm not going to mention his playing time or anything else, WARP = all."


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I wonder if Josh Anderson's stats would be better if he only played against RHP?

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Vyse, what is wrong with you? You dismiss his limited number of mlb at bats because of the small sample size. Guess what, the Braves scouts obviously saw something in his limited time that made them feel comfortable enough to trade away their long relief man for him. Do you think they just did that because they wanted a career minor league scrub?? I doubt it. Is it because they are cutting payroll?? Well we know that isn't true because their president said they would add "many million more".

So there are two possibilities using your logic: 1) You think Frank Wren and the scouts are complete morons for making this deal. 2) You think that Wren wants to destroy the franchise. OK, fair enough.

One more thing. How can you not understand that Wren made the move as an insurance policy in case they do not sign a CF'er? The Braves WILL NOT spend 8-10 million more on a player like Mike Cameron who may only start half the year if they feel that Jordan Schafer will be ready to start midseason a la Jeff Francouer, Brian McCann, Yunel Escobar, etc. Oh wait, you didn't know that. You decided to come in and bitch up a thread calling people out for their lack of knowledge and punishing them for it when you don't know a damn thing about the Braves. You are a troll. Stop posting in this thread.

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What I really want to know is how I got corraled into throwin my lot in with Josh Anderson? The guy is a fourth outfieder and we all know it. Sometimes fourth outfielders are pushed into duty, and if that happens with Anderson, it wouldn't be the end of the world for the Braves. They can make up everything they lose, which is very little, in the Anderson vs Jenkins/Davanon/Floyd debacle by taking that FA money and inking an extra high ceiling draft pick or two then trading a couple of prospects for a big time addition, you know, like Mark Teixeira, at the trade deadline.

Another side benefit, if Anderson runs hot for a couple of months, his value can skyrocket and HE could be the main peice to trade. Everybody knows what Floyd/Davanon/Jenkins are, and they will fetch nothing as far as 2008 help goes.

The more I look at it, the more my original assesment of the situation seems correct. Kenny Lofton and Andruw Jones on one year deals are the only free agent outfielders that make sense for the Braves. I was wrong about one thing. Luis Gonzalez does not make sense.

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Dude, stop using WARP.

That is all.

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Ugh, Braves fans. It's bad when I side with Vyse.

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Another side benefit, if Anderson runs hot for a couple of months, his value can skyrocket and HE could be the main peice to trade.

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I kind of ignored almost all of your post once I saw you making the same mistakes, but lmfao, I caught this when reading that new post right above me. Dude, I used to think you were a good poster. Now I know you're just another dude I can waste my time on and not take seriously.