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Also arrested was legendary AC railbird and High-Limit Valet Fekre Tesgaye, better known as 'Fish.' They got him on money laundering charges for cashing folks out to help them avoid CTRs.
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Vince Procopio has been on the USPC broadcast and some other stuff. Video of an old interview with him.
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Also arrested was legendary AC railbird and High-Limit Valet Fekre Tesgaye, better known as 'Fish.' They got him on money laundering charges for cashing folks out to help them avoid CTRs. [/ QUOTE ] I want fish's job minus the money laundering but I guess a lot of his customers are in jail anyway. Any rumors of the Borgata's response? I am assuming permaban. Vince is royally f'd, I'll leave out the details as to why as I am sure they will get deleted anyway but I am sure it will come out eventually. |
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Vinnie was already banned from the Borg for alledgedly going into an employees only Lounge.
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Vince Procopio has been on the USPC broadcast and some other stuff. Video of an old interview with him. [/ QUOTE ] LOL I play with this dude everytime I go to AC. Always tell him he looks like Brad Garrett from Everybody loves Raymond. Never thought he seemed like a conected guy. I wouldda said something about it. |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] -- Jeffrey Ebert, 45, Ventnor, poker room supervisor. Also charged with criminal usury. Isn't Jeff the very fat guy? Its been too long for me, i don't recognize the others [/ QUOTE ] I **think** that Jeff is a supervisor at the Trop poker room. I could be wrong since I haven't been to the Trop in some time, but I remember a floorman named Jeff. The MSNBC article linked above lists Jeff as 45 years old; the guy that I remember from the Trop was in his mid-forites. [/ QUOTE ] According to the list of suspects from WNBC, the Jeffrey Ebert who was arrested is an employee of the Borgata, not the Trop. [/ QUOTE ] Mainstream media articles about this incident conflict on some minor points, which is not surprising given that we don't yet have all of the details about the incident. Articles in both the Philadelphia Daily News and Card Player Magazine list Ebert as a Trop supervisor. I remember him as a fairly tall man with thinning brown hair and glasses. [/ QUOTE ] I'm pretty sure I know who this is.. This is Jeff, one of the trop poker room managers. Tall, mid forties, glasses. That sucks, I always liked that guy!.... and just because wnbc or whoever it was said that he's a borg room manager, doesn't mean they can't be wrong...i mean at some point some news source printed that Iraq had WMDs.... look how that went? |
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Also arrested was legendary AC railbird and High-Limit Valet Fekre Tesgaye, better known as 'Fish.' They got him on money laundering charges for cashing folks out to help them avoid CTRs. [/ QUOTE ] Wow. These guys screwed up over and over. How in the hell can Fish go to the cage multiple times without eventually raising a red flag? He doesn't even play, and has no reason to cash in chips. The Borgata must have been doing a piss-poor job of monitoring chip transactions in the poker room. If nothing else, this may explain a recent sudden change in Borgata attitude about players exchanging chips. [ QUOTE ] I want fish's job minus the money laundering but I guess a lot of his customers are in jail anyway. Any rumors of the Borgata's response? I am assuming permaban. Vince is royally f'd, I'll leave out the details as to why as I am sure they will get deleted anyway but I am sure it will come out eventually. [/ QUOTE ] I assume a permaban as well. If I remember correctly from what I read in some blackjack books years ago, anyone who is convicted of a gaming felony will be barred by the NJCCC from entering any AC casino. |
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I've played with Vinnie and Fish before. Fish was great, he fell asleep between betting rounds every street one hand.
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Wow. These guys screwed up over and over. How in the hell can Fish go to the cage multiple times without eventually raising a red flag? [/ QUOTE ] I think the Borgata could definitely be charged/fined, they were negligent at the least, however they cooperated fully and cracked down on the chip exchanges when prompted so they will probably get a pass. Everyone there knows Fish and everyone knows he rarely plays above 1-2..heard he had a pretty big gambling problem on the floor though so maybe that made it easier to pass checks..if anything he is the one to feel bad for, he was more or less making an honest living and took a lot of abuse for it, not even sure he knew what he was doing. |
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no surprises here other than how widespread and how many names are implicated. of the names mentioned, i know vinny the best from playing with him countless times..definitely moans a bit on bad beats but i found him to be a friendly guy that makes good use of table talk..i like the guy. he is also the master negotiater when it comes to chop conversations..he's been known to whip out the calculator on chops..guess he was using the calculator to calculate vigs as well. lol.
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Today's article from the Press of Atlantic City:
Atlantic City bet-ring arrests won't be the last, official says By MICHAEL CLARK Staff Writer, 609-272-7204 Published: Friday, November 16, 2007 More people face arrests in the ongoing investigation of a $22 million illegal sports-gambling ring operated in a poker room at the Borgata Hotel Casino & Spa, a local law-enforcement official said Thursday. Local female police officers were sent to Ventnor on Wednesday to assist State Police with searching female suspects involved in the illegal operation, and there are "still some pending arrests," the official said. No female suspects were listed among the 23 people charged Wednesday when State Police broke up the illegal sports book, allegedly led by four men with ties to the Philadelphia mob and including six casino employees. Peter Aseltine, spokesman for Attorney General Anne Milgram, would not comment on any pending arrests. But State Police Lt. Col. Thomas Gilbert said during a news conference that Wednesday's arrests were "more the start of this investigation than the end of it." All five men arrested in the sting posted bail and were released by Thursday night, authorities said. Andrew Micali, the alleged leader of the operation, was released on $100,000 bail. The four others arrested - Vincent Procopio, Anthony Nicodemo, Michael Lancellotti and Joseph Wishnick - were all released on $50,000 bail. Eighteen others were issued summonses. Aseltine said the suspects' first appearance in court has not yet been scheduled. A complex operation that lasted at least 20 months and brought in more than $22 million, the illegal sports book Micali ran had several different employees contributing to its success, including poker room supervisors, dealers and even a Borgata bartender, Milgram said. Authorities have remained vague on the specific details of how the operation worked, but the past poker experience of Micali and Procopio may have aided it. Both men participated in major poker tournaments like the World Poker Tour and the World Series of Poker in the past year. Micali was one of hundreds of players in the 38th annual World Series of Poker held at the Rio Casino and Hotel in Las Vegas in July, according to the tournament's Web site. He and Procopio also have both been listed as players at several different casinos while participating in the World Poker Tour. The Borgata was one of the many casinos that hosted the tour in January, casino officials said. Procopio has been listed as a player in several other poker tournaments in published reports and on the Internet, including placing eighth at the Los Angeles Poker Classic at the Commerce Casino in March, collecting $151,870 in winnings. Jack M. Buscemi Jr., 50, of Mullica Hill, also is listed on several poker Web sites and tournament listings and won $2,025 at the Borgata Poker Open in 2005. Buscemi has been described by authorities as Micali's "partner" and allegedly received a percentage of the gambling proceeds collected by Micali's network of agents. While some law-enforcement officials have alleged that Micali and Procopio have ties to the Philadelphia mob, Lancellotti and Nicodemo have a more detailed public history with organized crime. According to published reports, Lancellotti, better known as "Mikey Lance," was identified as a suspect in two mob murders during the 2001 trial of Philadelphia-southern New Jersey mob boss Joseph "Skinny Joey" Merlino, who is currently serving a federal prison term. Lancellotti has denied the allegations and has never been charged. Nicodemo has been described as a former bodyguard for Merlino. According to news reports, the 36-year-old began a feud between Philadelphia mobsters and the Pagans, an outlaw motorcycle gang, at a Philadelphia sports bar in 1995. Philadelphia native William DePena, 39, who was issued a summons Wednesday for conspiracy to promote gambling, also is a reported mob associate and friend of Nicodemo. Milgram has refused to discuss any of the suspects' connections to organized crime in Philadelphia, except to say: "Any allegation that the mob would be involved in Atlantic City we take very seriously." Along with the several state law-enforcement agencies involved in the investigation, several local police departments have been credited by the Attorney General's Office for their assistance. Those include departments in Margate, Ventnor, Galloway Township, Egg Harbor Township, Sea Isle City and Brigantine. Brigantine Police Chief Art Gordy said his department assigned officers and detectives to help State Police with surveillance and any other parts of the investigation where they were needed, since some of the targets live in the town, including Procopio. "It's always good to be able to work with them. It gets our guys involved with something we wouldn't normally be involved in, a gambling ring or empire," Gordy said. "Our people learn a lot from it. … Some (police) can go a whole career and never get involved in a case like that. Plus you get to know who the players are in your town." The Associated Press and staff writer Martin DeAngelis contributed to this report. |
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I wonder what would happen if I go up to the Borgata Poker Room manager next week and tell him:
"What's the line on the Patriots/Eagles? I want a dime on the Patriots. Can you take my action?" |
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I wonder what would happen if I go up to the Borgata Poker Room manager next week and tell him: "What's the line on the Patriots/Eagles? I want a dime on the Patriots. Can you take my action?" [/ QUOTE ] you will probably be escorted off the property, its their job at risk - they wont be taking any crap I assume. |
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[ QUOTE ] I wonder what would happen if I go up to the Borgata Poker Room manager next week and tell him: "What's the line on the Patriots/Eagles? I want a dime on the Patriots. Can you take my action?" [/ QUOTE ] you will probably be escorted off the property, its their job at risk - they wont be taking any crap I assume. [/ QUOTE ] Howzbout "Where's the sports book in this place?" |
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Is Fish the guy who is always carrying bags of take out food into the high limit room?
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Is Fish the guy who is always carrying bags of take out food into the high limit room? [/ QUOTE ] yup |
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Is Fish the guy who is always carrying bags of take out food into the high limit room? [/ QUOTE ] He's one of a couple such runners. Fish is the dark skinned, thin guy with black hair. |
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Another error made by Borgata staff -- Allowing people not participating in games, to "hang out" in the joint.
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Another error made by Borgata staff -- Allowing people not participating in games, to "hang out" in the joint. [/ QUOTE ] I always wondered how they let the food runners in the poker room, but I always realized that players would have complained if they were barred. Are the food runners still working in the room? I don't think I will make it on Saturday there, but I am interested in a trip report. I wonder if they will still have the free sandwiches Saturday night. The Borgata may not feel like giving the high limit room anything extra anymore. |
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They can't stop taking care of the high-limit players, or else they will go outside and ride inside the limo waiting outside to go to the Taj.
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They can't stop taking care of the high-limit players, or else they will go outside and ride inside the limo waiting outside to go to the Taj. [/ QUOTE ] You are probably right, but the upper management can't be happy to hear Borgata's name in the news (second time this year) alongside illegal activity and the mob. |
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[ QUOTE ] They can't stop taking care of the high-limit players, or else they will go outside and ride inside the limo waiting outside to go to the Taj. [/ QUOTE ] You are probably right, but the upper management can't be happy to hear Borgata's name in the news (second time this year) alongside illegal activity and the mob. [/ QUOTE ] I agree, I'm sure Borgata wants to take everyone in that room and just punch them in the face, but for the sake of future business, they can't and won't do a thing. At worse, mabye they will lose their "Red Bull" privileges. |
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i wish ian the best
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i wish ian the best [/ QUOTE ] How may points per week was he charging you? |
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i wish ian the best [/ QUOTE ] Me too. I hope he manages to get back in to the poker room. |
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[ QUOTE ] i wish ian the best [/ QUOTE ] Me too. I hope he manages to get back in to the poker room. [/ QUOTE ] Me too! I really need a temp loan and I hate going to the bank. |
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[ QUOTE ] i wish ian the best [/ QUOTE ] How may points per week was he charging you? [/ QUOTE ] NineinchAl I know that 10-20 borgata is full of rejects like you that are looking at highlimit room from the outside. Please understand that you are talking about a real person who is very respected and liked for a a lot of reasons. Ohh and he also happened to be a winning poker player at limits you'll never play. |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] i wish ian the best [/ QUOTE ] How may points per week was he charging you? [/ QUOTE ] NineinchAl I know that 10-20 borgata is full of rejects like you that are looking at highlimit room from the outside. Please understand that you are talking about a real person who is very respected and liked for a a lot of reasons. Ohh and he also happened to be a winning poker player at limits you'll never play. [/ QUOTE ] That's OK. Ian will will never , ever be permitted to participate in the legitimate business world at the stakes that I play. I am certain that I can gamble at the stakes Ian did at any time I choose. I can't say I want to trade places with a usurer (allegedly)who could very likely be going to jail for a year or two. I am sure the county jail or state prison is full of high limit gamblers/(alleged) loansharks like Ian. Actually I was in the high limit room of the Borgata today, on the inside looking out, having a roast beef sandwich and a beer. I am glad someone as insightful as you has the right perspective on all of this. |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] i wish ian the best [/ QUOTE ] How may points per week was he charging you? [/ QUOTE ] NineinchAl I know that 10-20 borgata is full of rejects like you that are looking at highlimit room from the outside. Please understand that you are talking about a real person who is very respected and liked for a a lot of reasons. Ohh and he also happened to be a winning poker player at limits you'll never play. [/ QUOTE ] That's OK. Ian will will never , ever be permitted to participate in the legitimate business world at the stakes that I play. I am certain that I can gamble at the stakes Ian did at any time I choose. I can't say I want to trade places with a usurer (allegedly)who could very likely be going to jail for a year or two. I am sure the county jail or state prison is full of high limit gamblers/(alleged) loansharks like Ian. Actually I was in the high limit room of the Borgata today, on the inside looking out, having a roast beef sandwich and a beer. I am glad someone as insightful as you has the right perspective on all of this. [/ QUOTE ] nineinchal, Do you see the little X in the top right corner of your web browser? Click on it before you further embarrass yourself. Ian and everyone else charged is innocent until proven guilty, and it doesn't matter whether or not you like any of them. Putting the word "alleged" in your post multiple times doesn't make you any less of a jackass. And did you enjoy your roast beef sandwich? I find it hilarious when the low limit nits swarm like bees into the high limit area to suck up food comps that aren't meant for them in the first place. |
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[I can't say I want to trade places with a usurer (allegedly)who could very likely be going to jail for a year or two. I am sure the county jail or state prison is full of high limit gamblers/(alleged) loansharks like Ian. [/ QUOTE ] I think it's extremely unlikely that he'll go to jail. It's not clear what, if any, evidence they have against him. Regardless, I expect the following: He'll quickly accept a deal from the prosecution that involves no jail time. |
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the low limit nits swarm like bees into the high limit area to suck up food comps that aren't meant for them in the first place. [/ QUOTE ]max rubin calls this +ev. |
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Ian and everyone else charged is innocent until proven guilty [/ QUOTE ] I hate this expression. It means, "We can't throw him in jail until we prove his guilt." Everyone uses it to mean, "We have to treat him as if he didn't do anything until the court says otherwise." Of course, we don't treat him that way at all--we put him in handcuffs and take him to jail and make him attend a trial. If he was truly "innocent until proven guilty", he should ask the judge why an innocent man was arrested. |
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[ QUOTE ] Ian and everyone else charged is innocent until proven guilty [/ QUOTE ] I hate this expression. It means, "We can't throw him in jail until we prove his guilt." Everyone uses it to mean, "We have to treat him as if he didn't do anything until the court says otherwise." Of course, we don't treat him that way at all--we put him in handcuffs and take him to jail and make him attend a trial. If he was truly "innocent until proven guilty", he should ask the judge why an innocent man was arrested. [/ QUOTE ] I agree with you totally. The problem is a lot more insidious than that as well. It's that all the young punks have the attitude that it is ok to do anything you want as long as you don't get caught. We have lost the ability to know right from wrong. At what point would what anyone think what was going on was wrong? When somebody got their limb broken? When the level of voilence escalated to killing a victim of this ring? |
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[ QUOTE ] the low limit nits swarm like bees into the high limit area to suck up food comps that aren't meant for them in the first place. [/ QUOTE ]max rubin calls this +ev. [/ QUOTE ] and they have really good desserts too! |
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[ QUOTE ] Ian and everyone else charged is innocent until proven guilty [/ QUOTE ] I hate this expression. It means, "We can't throw him in jail until we prove his guilt." Everyone uses it to mean, "We have to treat him as if he didn't do anything until the court says otherwise." Of course, we don't treat him that way at all--we put him in handcuffs and take him to jail and make him attend a trial. If he was truly "innocent until proven guilty", he should ask the judge why an innocent man was arrested. [/ QUOTE ] This is why the phrase is actually "presumed innocent until proven guilty." It is not meant to be an assertion of actual innocence of the indicted. |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] the low limit nits swarm like bees into the high limit area to suck up food comps that aren't meant for them in the first place. [/ QUOTE ]max rubin calls this +ev. [/ QUOTE ] and they have really good desserts too! [/ QUOTE ] I'm a low limit nit and I prefer Fatburger with a Ben & Jerry's kicker. |
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