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Although he won't, Orlando Pace should be on the list.

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Am I the only person who feels like Reggie Bush is WAYYYYYYYYYYYYY too low?

Also you all are forgetting Ryan Leaf.

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1. Vince Young
2-11. Bunch of scrubs (in relation to Vince Young)

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There aren't many guys who can single-handedly win a NC.

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Right. It's not like Texas has a great defense or anything that year.... oh wait.

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Yeah, I guess it was mainly Texas' defense that beat USC 41-38.

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I didn't see USC stopping Texas too much on 4th and 1.

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This statement makes little sense in relation to my statement, but that's why I love you.

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Texas had a better defense than USC. That's why they won the game. That's why they beat Ohio State. Vince Young is the most overrated person in college sports since Charlie Weis. He would make 3 huge mistakes then do 4 awesome plays to win games. Of course, I doubt this stops ESPN from propping him up to be the God among men that he is around here. He has been fortunate to be the leader on good TEAMS.

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Are you sure you watched this game? Vince Young was THE reason Texas won this game.

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There aren't many guys who can single-handedly win a NC.

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Right. It's not like Texas has a great defense or anything that year.... oh wait.

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Yeah, I guess it was mainly Texas' defense that beat USC 41-38.

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I didn't see USC stopping Texas too much on 4th and 1.

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This statement makes little sense in relation to my statement, but that's why I love you.

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Texas had a better defense than USC. That's why they won the game. That's why they beat Ohio State. Vince Young is the most overrated person in college sports since Charlie Weis. He would make 3 huge mistakes then do 4 awesome plays to win games. Of course, I doubt this stops ESPN from propping him up to be the God among men that he is around here. He has been fortunate to be the leader on good TEAMS.

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YOu do realize that all ESPN wanted to do coming into that game was hype USC and their players(remember the "Where does USC rank all time?" before the title game?). ESPN's hand was forced when VY and Texas beat them.

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Some others possiblities....

Billy Simms
Ron Dayne
Johnny Unitas
Michael Ivrin
Tim Couch
Gale Sayers
Charlie Ward
Bo Jackson


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Are you sure you watched this game? Vince Young was THE reason Texas won this game.

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Namath.

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What about Ken Dorsey? Or Even Ty Detmer

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Well, if those guys are in there, I'm going to say Jason White. :-)

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John David Booty

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thanks for starting this thread and posting the list, but how can archie griffin be #21? what a joke, it makes the rest of the list moot...

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Archie Manning
Peyton Manning
Ken Stabler
Champ Bailey
Deion Sanders
Ray Guy
Walter Payton

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thanks for starting this thread and posting the list, but how can archie griffin be #21? what a joke, it makes the rest of the list moot...

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I agree. I thought he shouldn't have won either of those heisman's.

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thanks for starting this thread and posting the list, but how can archie griffin be #21? what a joke, it makes the rest of the list moot...

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I agree. I thought he shouldn't have won either of those heisman's.

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I'm an Ohio State fan, but I have to agree (at least in regards to the second Heisman).

His junior year he put up 1,695 yds avg 6.6 ypc. His senior year he rushed for 1,450 yds avg 5.5 ypc. I wasn't alive during the '70s, so my opinion is pretty worthless but those stats aren't exactly eye-popping. It appears on initial glance that he his trophy senior year was based on reputation.

IMO Griffin is the third-best running back from tOSU, behind Eddie George and Robert Smith.

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You are right and Vince Young sure as hell isn't one of them.

I’m not an expert on Texas football by any means, but your statement was so outlandish that I felt compelled to do 15 minutes of research to show how stupid it was.

The fact is that the 2005 Longhorns were a well-balanced team chalk full of NFL talent. They had perhaps the greatest secondary of all-time.

Here are some of the other players on that Longhorns team:

Selvin Young- RB, plays for Broncos

Jamal Charles- Stud running back in his senior year at Texas

Limas Sweed- Projected to be one of the first WR taken in the 2008 draft

David Thomas- TE drafted in the third round, plays for the Patriots

Casey Studdard- Guard drafted in the sixth round, plays for the Texans

Justin Blalock- Guard, plays for Falcons

Lyle Sendlein- Center, plays for Cardinals

Brain Robison- DE, Drafted in fourth round, plays for Vikings

Tim Crowder- DE, Drafted in second round, plays for Broncos

Rodrique Wright- All-American, plays for Dolphins

Tarell Brown- CB plays for 49ers

Cedric Griffin- CB, drafted in second round, plays for Vikings

Aaron Ross- Won Thorpe Award as nation’s top DB in 2006, first round pick, plays for Giants

Michael Huff- Won Thorpe Award as nation’s top DB in 2005, seventh overall pick, plays for Raiders

Michael Griffin- DB, 19th overall pick, plays for Titans

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thanks for starting this thread and posting the list, but how can archie griffin be #21? what a joke, it makes the rest of the list moot...

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I agree. I thought he shouldn't have won either of those heisman's.

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I'm an Ohio State fan, but I have to agree (at least in regards to the second Heisman).

His junior year he put up 1,695 yds avg 6.6 ypc. His senior year he rushed for 1,450 yds avg 5.5 ypc. I wasn't alive during the '70s, so my opinion is pretty worthless but those stats aren't exactly eye-popping. It appears on initial glance that he his trophy senior year was based on reputation.

IMO Griffin is the third-best running back from tOSU, behind Eddie George and Robert Smith.

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Archie Griffin was a great college player. I was kind of twitting the other guy. I thought Anthony Davis deserved the first one. Chuck Muncie might have been best the next year, but he was on a weak Cal team and his eligibility is still a mystery. So he got them both. Fair enough.

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Ok, so let's start naming the people we are 99.99% sure will be on this. I've got 2:

Herschel Walker
Barry Sanders

99% sure:
Marcus Allen
Roger Staubach

95% sure:
OJ Simpson

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2-11. Bunch of scrubs (in relation to Vince Young)

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You are right and Vince Young sure as hell isn't one of them.

I’m not an expert on Texas football by any means, but your statement was so outlandish that I felt compelled to do 15 minutes of research to show how stupid it was.

The fact is that the 2005 Longhorns were a well-balanced team chalk full of NFL talent. They had perhaps the greatest secondary of all-time.

Here are some of the other players on that Longhorns team:

Selvin Young- RB, plays for Broncos

Jamal Charles- Stud running back in his senior year at Texas

Limas Sweed- Projected to be one of the first WR taken in the 2008 draft

David Thomas- TE drafted in the third round, plays for the Patriots

Casey Studdard- Guard drafted in the sixth round, plays for the Texans

Justin Blalock- Guard, plays for Falcons

Lyle Sendlein- Center, plays for Cardinals

Brain Robison- DE, Drafted in fourth round, plays for Vikings

Tim Crowder- DE, Drafted in second round, plays for Broncos

Rodrique Wright- All-American, plays for Dolphins

Tarell Brown- CB plays for 49ers

Cedric Griffin- CB, drafted in second round, plays for Vikings

Aaron Ross- Won Thorpe Award as nation’s top DB in 2006, first round pick, plays for Giants

Michael Huff- Won Thorpe Award as nation’s top DB in 2005, seventh overall pick, plays for Raiders

Michael Griffin- DB, 19th overall pick, plays for Titans

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I haven't been part of this debate, but it sure seemed like there were times in that NC that he put the team on his shoulders and carried them to the win, including the last drive if I remember correctly. Of course, in football, it's ridiculous to say one man basically won the NC. If there's ever been a team sport, football is it.

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Ok, so let's start naming the people we are 99.99% sure will be on this. I've got 2:

Herschel Walker
Barry Sanders

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Marcus Allen
Roger Staubach

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I think Walker/Dorsett/Jackson/Simpson/Sims/Young are locks.

The next group I'd put Staubach/Jim Brown/Namath

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based on bill walsh college football for sega bo jackson is a lock.

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I would be shocked if Red Grange were not in the top 11. I think he was #1 on the Sporting News list some time ago.

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can Vince Young really be on the list given that he'd have to be a lot higher than Reggie Bush?

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Also you all are forgetting Ryan Leaf.

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Bush seems about right to me. He was obv a great player, but it's not as if he had to do it all himself.

As for Leaf, he never happened.

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no we aren't...

Regardless of his trainwreck of a pro career, he was pretty sick in college. But top 10 all-time...hell no

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That's a good question. Part of it is trying to outguess the voter. I think the NC game is so vivid in recent memory and he was so spectacular that it might be enough.

And that is a good point about Grange. I'd add Thorpe in part because of the recent book, his heritage and stuff makes him an interesting addition, and he is probably very deserving.

In a similar vein I think one of the Bama QBs (I chose Namath) is kind of a surrogate for the Bear, in addition to having a great collegiate career.

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I cannot believe Charles Woodson was that high

I also think they severely underranked Archie Griffin--2 heismans ffs!


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I also think they severely underranked Archie Griffin--2 heismans ffs!


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thanks for the archie support.... i can't really argue convincingly because i was very young at time. BUT there's only been 12 higher vote counts since that we better than lower of his heisman totals (i assume they didn't change the voting totals).... seems like people's suggestions are pretty heavily weighted towards recent time..... didn't check the lists carefully (already announced, or speculation), but anyone for charlie ward?

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I also think they severely underranked Archie Griffin--2 heismans ffs!


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out of interest, here's a link to the top 5 heisman each year...

http://www.manlyweb.com/sports/footb...sman_votes.htm

with all due respect, how can someone have robert smith > archie griffin? i don't even see smith in a top 5.... eddie george > archie, i have no problem with that?

interesting to see that marshall faulk was top 5 twice, and i think he got votes at least one other year... how did LSU and/or whole SEC miss on that guy?

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out of interest, here's a link to the top 5 heisman each year...

http://www.manlyweb.com/sports/footb...sman_votes.htm

with all due respect, how can someone have robert smith > archie griffin? i don't even see smith in a top 5.... eddie george > archie, i have no problem with that?

interesting to see that marshall faulk was top 5 twice, and i think he got votes at least one other year... how did LSU and/or whole SEC miss on that guy?

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Obviously Billy Sims, Lee Roy Selmon, Tony Casillas and OU's Roy Williams!

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And the other seven are obviously Greg Pruitt, Jim Weatherall, Steve Owens, Tommie Harris, Joe Washington, Carl McAdams and Rick Bryan!

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Amazing that you two didn't mention the greatest tight end to play at OU...Keith Jackson

also:
Billy Vessels (he won a Heisman, duh)
Elvis Peacock
Steve Rhodes
J.C. Watts
the almighty Buster Rhymes
and don't forget about the big "what if"...Marcus Dupree

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Archie Griffin doesn't belong on this list. He was solid, but he wasn't some TOP 25 ALL-TIME talent like Adrian Peterson or Herschel Walker.

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Bruce Smith and Reggie White definitely belong in the top 10. Deion Sanders should be in that list somewhere too.

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Bush shouldnt even be on the list...and ryan leaf? GTFO

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Texas had a better defense than USC. That's why they won the game. That's why they beat Ohio State. Vince Young is the most overrated person in college sports since Charlie Weis. He would make 3 huge mistakes then do 4 awesome plays to win games. Of course, I doubt this stops ESPN from propping him up to be the God among men that he is around here. He has been fortunate to be the leader on good TEAMS.

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LOL

30/40 for 267 yds, 0 TD, 0 INT
19 carries, 200 yds, 3 TD

Texas had 556 yards that game, 467 is Vince. That great D allowed 574 yds to USC.

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4:03, 4 Q VINCE YOUNG 17 YD RUN
0:19, 4 Q VINCE YOUNG 8 YD RUN (VINCE YOUNG RUSH FOR 2 PT CONV)

Come on.

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Ok, so let's start naming the people we are 99.99% sure will be on this. I've got 2:

Herschel Walker
Barry Sanders

99% sure:
Marcus Allen
Roger Staubach

95% sure:
OJ Simpson

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Walker, Allen, Sanders, Dorsett, Payton, Grange, Bo, Thorpe, Reggie, Deion are no-brainers in my mind
maybe Detmer, Staubach, Billy Cannon, Billy Sims, George Rogers, Lee Roy Selmon, Chuck Bednarik [#2 pick in draft], Manning all possible as well.

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Texas had a better defense than USC. That's why they won the game. That's why they beat Ohio State. Vince Young is the most overrated person in college sports since Charlie Weis. He would make 3 huge mistakes then do 4 awesome plays to win games. Of course, I doubt this stops ESPN from propping him up to be the God among men that he is around here. He has been fortunate to be the leader on good TEAMS.

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LOL

30/40 for 267 yds, 0 TD, 0 INT
19 carries, 200 yds, 3 TD

Texas had 556 yards that game, 467 is Vince. That great D allowed 574 yds to USC.

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4:03, 4 Q VINCE YOUNG 17 YD RUN
0:19, 4 Q VINCE YOUNG 8 YD RUN (VINCE YOUNG RUSH FOR 2 PT CONV)

Come on.

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to further the point, look at what VY did in the Rose Bowl the year before

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Tony Dorsett will be in final 11. 6,000 plus rushing yards with a Heisman and a National Championship. Unfortunatley most great running backs won't stick around for 4 years of college ball.

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A few longshots:

Flutie (it is ESPN)
Joe Montana
Troy Smith

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In college, of course Griffin was better. In the NFL the two-time Heisman winner was a bust. Smith on the other hand led the NFC in rushing and retired at the peak of his career.