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It's horrible whoever it is, but can anyone add some clarifying details? We play with so many people. One Frank I know is a sweet guy, soft spoken, very thin, super tight player. Same guy?

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What a tragedy. It could have been any of us- that is indeed a scary thought.

It's also an eye-opener to the realities of the world we live in. It's disgusting what some people are willing to do for money. I must say, I feel like I have had a false sense of security over the past years, playing in these NYC clubs. I don't think i am going to continue playing after this incident, as its just not worth the risk (for me anyway). Atlantic city will just have to do.

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Agreed, the incident is both sad and scary. It's shocking what people would do for only a couple of thousand dollars. The only positive that can come out of this is a serious push towards legalization, which would surely quell such occurrences.

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What a tragedy. It could have been any of us- that is indeed a scary thought.

It's also an eye-opener to the realities of the world we live in. It's disgusting what some people are willing to do for money. I must say, I feel like I have had a false sense of security over the pas
t years, playing in these NYC clubs. I don't think i am going to continue playing after this incident, as its just not worth the risk (for me anyway). Atlantic city will just have to do.

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Agreed, the incident is both sad and scary. It's shocking what people would do for only a couple of thousand dollars. The only positive that can come out of this is a serious push towards legalization, which would surely quell such occurrences.

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Unfortunately this will have the opposite effect. "Look what gambling and that horrible poker caused..."

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I'm not going to relax. I find it offensive that someone wants to know who this guy is because he may have played a game with him one night and he's curious?? He clearly doesn't know ANYBODY from this club, reading comprehension 101 for you jjshabado. I do know people from this club and find it even more offensive that you don't view his post as ridiculous.

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Shut up and quit being such a douche bag. The guy asked a question and was told it was inappropriate. No need to go on a stupid rant like you are all high and mighty.

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WOW...this sucks hardcore. Robberies like this are just unecessary...I really hope they catch the guys.

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Difficult news for anyone that's ever played poker in NYC. I can't say I know the victim but my thoughts are with his friends and family today.

Can anyone give a loose description of the physical security? Does the space have the two secure door setup on the 7th floor? Since the news gave the address, I presume this is an acceptable topic.

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Just don't discuss details not in the articles because it might hurt other businesses/players by accident.

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We can't discuss such thing in threads, PM me if you want detaiils.

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He was a real nice guy and we played together on many occasions. Needless to say my NYC poker will now be limited by private games. It's one thing to be there for a raid. There are enough games around to have fun in a safe, friendly environment. Hopefully the cops will catch these guys.

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The only thing I can say is I hope that this will now make the federal and state governments(all states that haven't legalized poker) take a long look at legalizing cardrooms for the safety of everyone who plays in underground cardrooms. Is there anyway we (we being the PPA) can begin to lobby states such as NY to legalize cardrooms? This is just becoming absolutely ludicrous.

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Can this guy be banned already? I'm afraid to post in this thread because I may be ranted at for asking an innocent question.

How can something like this happen? Why aren't there metal detectors and such at games like this; there's a history of poker games being robbed at gunpoint. Get metal detectors, get security. My thoughts go out to his friends and family. One would expect this to lead to regulation and legalization, but as other posters have indicated, the opposite will probably happen.

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The only thing I can say is I hope that this will now make the federal and state governments(all states that haven't legalized poker) take a long look at legalizing cardrooms for the safety of everyone who plays in underground cardrooms.

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Just like they have rushed to legalize drugs for the safety of all the people who might get killed because of illegal drug sales.

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The only thing I can say is I hope that this will now make the federal and state governments(all states that haven't legalized poker) take a long look at legalizing cardrooms for the safety of everyone who plays in underground cardrooms.

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Just like they have rushed to legalize drugs for the safety of all the people who might get killed because of illegal drug sales.

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I was actually hoping for a result that ended prohibition.

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Just like they have rushed to legalize drugs for the safety of all the people who might get killed because of illegal drug sales.

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I was actually hoping for a result similar to the one that ended prohibition

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The only thing I can say is I hope that this will now make the federal and state governments(all states that haven't legalized poker) take a long look at legalizing cardrooms for the safety of everyone who plays in underground cardrooms.

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Just like they have rushed to legalize drugs for the safety of all the people who might get killed because of illegal drug sales.

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I was actually hoping for a result that ended prohibition.

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We would all like more legalized poker I think. But the more likely result of incidents like this is an increased crack down on clubs.

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I mean no disrespect, if this is someone close to you I apologize for any pain. I simply want to know if a person by that first name who I DO know and DO like is the victim. Whoever it is, it is a tragedy. A small one for New York poker, a horrible one for his family.

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well according to the ny daily news article, it says the gunmen forced the bouncer up onto the elevator and went into the club, so even if there was a metal detector, nothing could've been done...

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Why aren't there metal detectors and such at games like this; there's a history of poker games being robbed at gunpoint. Get metal detectors, get security.

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The club owners become more culpable and more likely to be prosecuted as mobsters the more security they get. It is much safer for them to just let the robbers be the bad guys as they sit idly by. You want to make money without being guilty of violating RICO statutes, and you have to think of your own future before your customers when it comes down to making a choice.

Not that they want to be robbed, but they don't want to accessories to murder (if one of their security goons were to kill someone for example).

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unless u r frank's 10 yo nephew u r out of line. pls grow up.

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I hear ya. I don't know, it seems easy to me though. Get a metal detector, place it outside the door. Get a camera to watch the door/metal detector. Have someone watch the camera. Anyone who wants to come in has to go through the metal detector.

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The only thing I can say is I hope that this will now make the federal and state governments(all states that haven't legalized poker) take a long look at legalizing cardrooms for the safety of everyone who plays in underground cardrooms.

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I was actually hoping for a result that ended prohibition.

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We would all like more legalized poker I think. But the more likely result of incidents like this is an increased crack down on clubs.

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And I think that is where the PPA needs to come in and show that we (the constituents) want legalized, safe poker. But first people need to sign up for the PPA. If you haven't you should do so now.

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My god do I have a pit in my stomach right now. I was at the Players Club when it was raided and I was at 61st St when it was robbed. After that gun was aimed at my head at 61st St I swore off underground rooms forever. I cannot believe any of you still play at these places. AC, Foxwoods, internet and home games is all I do now. I cannot believe a life was lost tonight. I probably know who it was if he played at Playstation.

I am so sick right now.

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I used to play at Mayfair and feel the same way. Stick to places that don't get robbed, taking your life in your hands is foolish, really really not worth it.

From now on, expect more and more clubs to get robbed as stories like this hit the media.

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I think the family knows. The local hometown press is reporting his identity:

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/200..._at_under.html

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i've been to this particular club and notice their security, don't know if i can divulge their details soooo pm for info unless tt says its ok to divulge what i've observed when i went there

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I think the family knows. The local hometown press is reporting his identity:

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/200..._at_under.html

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also http://www.1010wins.com/Cops:-Card-P...obbery/1170062

Rest in Peace Frank, we will miss you.

Frank was 5'10"ish, often wore a Yankees hat. I believe the early press was wrong, I think he was 55.

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i've been to this particular club and notice their security, don't know if i can divulge their details soooo pm for info unless tt says its ok to divulge what i've observed when i went there

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Please PM me first to discuss, I'll let you know what can an cannot be disclosed - most can at this stage, but just in case we should be safe.

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It's horrible whoever it is, but can anyone add some clarifying details? We play with so many people. One Frank I know is a sweet guy, soft spoken, very thin, super tight player. Same guy?

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Yes, I think you have the right guy. Sweetheart of a man, nice as could be.

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The only thing I can say is I hope that this will now make the federal and state governments(all states that haven't legalized poker) take a long look at legalizing cardrooms for the safety of everyone who plays in underground cardrooms. Is there anyway we (we being the PPA) can begin to lobby states such as NY to legalize cardrooms? This is just becoming absolutely ludicrous.

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I dont mean to derail this thread but anyone who still thinks the PPA is representing PLAYERS needs a wake up call. The PPA is an organization representing online poker rooms the largest affiliates, their agenda is to make online poker legal provided the online rooms that are funding the PPA through our dollars can remain in business in the US. The PPA is not concerned about legalizing poker in NY, they wont do a thing - this is why we really need another organization to step up to the plate, one clear of any improper funding. The PPA will have little direct affect on congress once congress figures out how they are funded - its a sad state we are in [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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Here is some more info about Frank in another news article
http://www.nj.com/hobokennow/index.s...led_in_po.html

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Very Sad what happened. I played with Frank several days ago. A gentleman and a solid player. Let's hope that they catch the scumbags!

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The only thing I can say is I hope that this will now make the federal and state governments(all states that haven't legalized poker) take a long look at legalizing cardrooms for the safety of everyone who plays in underground cardrooms. Is there anyway we (we being the PPA) can begin to lobby states such as NY to legalize cardrooms? This is just becoming absolutely ludicrous.

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I dont mean to derail this thread but anyone who still thinks the PPA is representing PLAYERS needs a wake up call. The PPA is an organization representing online poker rooms the largest affiliates, their agenda is to make online poker legal provided the online rooms that are funding the PPA through our dollars can remain in business in the US. The PPA is not concerned about legalizing poker in NY, they wont do a thing - this is why we really need another organization to step up to the plate, one clear of any improper funding. The PPA will have little direct affect on congress once congress figures out how they are funded - its a sad state we are in [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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Granted, the purpose of the PPA is to put a lobby group in Washington that will legalize the transactions of online gaming but eventually that will happen. Will the PPA then just dissolve itself? Or will it try and lobby for other changes that would benefit poker players? Are there any other organizations that are out there currently that are lobbying?

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The only thing I can say is I hope that this will now make the federal and state governments(all states that haven't legalized poker) take a long look at legalizing cardrooms for the safety of everyone who plays in underground cardrooms. Is there anyway we (we being the PPA) can begin to lobby states such as NY to legalize cardrooms? This is just becoming absolutely ludicrous.

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I dont mean to derail this thread but anyone who still thinks the PPA is representing PLAYERS needs a wake up call. The PPA is an organization representing online poker rooms the largest affiliates, their agenda is to make online poker legal provided the online rooms that are funding the PPA through our dollars can remain in business in the US. The PPA is not concerned about legalizing poker in NY, they wont do a thing - this is why we really need another organization to step up to the plate, one clear of any improper funding. The PPA will have little direct affect on congress once congress figures out how they are funded - its a sad state we are in [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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Granted, the purpose of the PPA is to put a lobby group in Washington that will legalize the transactions of online gaming but eventually that will happen. Will the PPA then just dissolve itself? Or will it try and lobby for other changes that would benefit poker players? Are there any other organizations that are out there currently that are lobbying?

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There is quite a bit more than what I am explaining here but to give you the short and safe version the PPA was co-opted by Party Poker for their agenda, and then was rebirthed as an industry organization. Since the industry cannot lobby congress the players themselves are being used as the front.

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The only thing I can say is I hope that this will now make the federal and state governments(all states that haven't legalized poker) take a long look at legalizing cardrooms for the safety of everyone who plays in underground cardrooms. Is there anyway we (we being the PPA) can begin to lobby states such as NY to legalize cardrooms? This is just becoming absolutely ludicrous.

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I dont mean to derail this thread but anyone who still thinks the PPA is representing PLAYERS needs a wake up call. The PPA is an organization representing online poker rooms the largest affiliates, their agenda is to make online poker legal provided the online rooms that are funding the PPA through our dollars can remain in business in the US. The PPA is not concerned about legalizing poker in NY, they wont do a thing - this is why we really need another organization to step up to the plate, one clear of any improper funding. The PPA will have little direct affect on congress once congress figures out how they are funded - its a sad state we are in [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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Granted, the purpose of the PPA is to put a lobby group in Washington that will legalize the transactions of online gaming but eventually that will happen. Will the PPA then just dissolve itself? Or will it try and lobby for other changes that would benefit poker players? Are there any other organizations that are out there currently that are lobbying?

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There is quite a bit more than what I am explaining here but to give you the short and safe version the PPA was co-opted by Party Poker for their agenda, and then was rebirthed as an industry organization. Since the industry cannot lobby congress the players themselves are being used as the front.

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Can you PM me the details of this so we don't distract from this tragedy more than we already have?

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Here is some more info about Frank in another news article
http://www.nj.com/hobokennow/index.s...led_in_po.html

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The robbers, one of whom used to play at the club, entered the poker club by force and took money from nearly the 100 players who were there last night.

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Interesting info. How did they know one of the robbers used to play at the club? And if this is true, they could be one step closer to catching these scumbags.

Garland

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Interesting info. How did they know one of the robbers used to play at the club? And if this is true, they could be one step closer to catching these scumbags.

Garland

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that really shouldn't be discussed here, its possible that the robbers are reading the same threads and news sources that we are. Just leave it at - they know.

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Here is some more info about Frank in another news article
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The robbers, one of whom used to play at the club, entered the poker club by force and took money from nearly the 100 players who were there last night.

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Interesting info. How did they know one of the robbers used to play at the club? And if this is true, they could be one step closer to catching these scumbags.

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Please do not discuss who might have seen what. Speculating about this in public may prevent witnesses from coming forward.

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My friend flew from Cali to deal in the new club. He arrived there on his first night of work to see the police cars outside. He's already on his way back. He says he dealt to Frank quite a bit at the old room (same owners) and that he was a super nice guy. This sucks, for him, his family and for NY poker... I really hope these guys are caught.

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Yeah, I agree. Too many people see incidents like this and think "this is why poker needs to stay illegal" instead of realizing that if poker were legal events like this would be much rarer.

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I hope these robbers get caught, and fry. Felony murder = life.

I remember the victim vaguely from playing, and yes he was a good man. It is a real shame.

It could have been any of us. No more underground poker for me.

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Some interesting new information from the NYT article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/04/ny...l?ref=nyregion