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Dave,
How many teams have you offered West and Jack to for players that were drafted higher than them? |
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Best and worst values by round:
Round 1 Best value - Yao Worst Value - Okafor Round 2 Best - Big Al Worst - Manu Round 3 Best - Billups Worst - Rip Hamilton Round 4 Best - Odom Worst - Rondo Round 5 Best - Jermaine O'Neil Worst - Ricky Davis Round 6 Best - Felton / Darko, and I also like my Devin Harris pick Worst - Korver / Curry Round 7 Best - Marvin Williams / Tyrus Thomas Worst - Luther Head Round 8 Best - Diaw Worst - nothing really jumps out Round 9 Best - Troy Murphy Worst - Adam Morrison Round 10 Best - Grant Hill Worst - everything's pretty reasonable Round 11 Best - Outlaw / Maxiell / Dorell Wright Worst - Marcus Williams Round 12 Best - Brewer / Carroll Worst - none Round 13 Best - Stack / Amir Johnson Worst - Balkman / Juwan Howard Round 14 Best - Reggie Evans / Louis Williams / Ike Diogu Worst - Damien Wilikins Round 15 Best - Turiaf / Steve blake Worst - Taurean Green Round 16 Best - Mike James / DJ Strawberry / Brezec Worst - Jaric / Antoine Walker Round 17 Best - Fesenko / O'Bryant Worst - nothing's unreasonable at this point in the draft |
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[ QUOTE ] What "system" are you talking about? I see people say "the system" all the time when talking about the Suns, but they run a basic fastbreak and pick and roll offense. Barbosa(or Nash when hes out there) seem to be the ones creating the system with their fast paced play. I think that Barbosa would be fine in any offense that allowed him to fastbreak which is about 1/2 of the teams in the league. [/ QUOTE ] When a player joins the Nash Suns, his fantasy production jumps about 20%. When a player leaves the Nash Suns, his fantasy production drops about 20%. Most of that is due to %s and TOs. Joe Johnson was a fantasy god in Phoenix ($12.3M production his last year there)...his scoring has increased considerably, but his %s tumbled and his TOs climbed for a net halving of his value (approx.) from Phoenix to Atlanta the past couple of years ($6.6M/yr). Quentin Richardson was serviceable for his 1 year with Phx/Nash ($4.5M production)...he's been a blank the past two years in NY ($1.5M/yr production). Raja Bell joins Nash/Phx and he goes from $1.4M production in Utah to an $8.8M/yr production in Phx. Or maybe those things are all just a random coincidence and Phoenix plays the same as every other team in the NBA. [/ QUOTE ] Fair points. What do you think make that "system" then? Is it Nash? Is it the coaching? Combonation? |
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I think Phoenix plays more uptempo than any team in the league, as a result they both score more points (110 a game to lead the league last year - more than 10 more than the league average) and score on a relatively high percentage of their shots. As a result, they have inflated bulk stats (more opportunities for nearly every stat on a per-game basis). Their TOs are proportionately lower than other teams for reasons I don't fully understand. *shrug*
Basically, they run, run, run with Nash leading the way and everyone who gets significant minutes benefits, at least from a fantasy perspective - or at least that's how it seems to me. The book on the Suns (7 Seconds or Less) basically claims that both D'Antoni and Nash want to put up a shot as quick as possible, which at least explains some of it from an organizational perspective. Interesting read, btw. |
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Keep an eye out on the leauge message board in the next day or two for the always insightful and controversial league preview. Hint: Some of your teams aren't as good as you think they are.
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I like how in sergz's post my picks show up in 25% of the worst and 0% of the best. I clearly have the worst team and yes I am being completely serious, I had a horrible draft.
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I like how in sergz's post my picks show up in 25% of the worst and 0% of the best. I clearly have the worst team and yes I am being completely serious, I had a horrible draft. [/ QUOTE ] I took a guy who is projected to be the 33rd best player in our league second overall, so I wouldn't necessarily put too much stock in my analysis. |
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Keep an eye out on the leauge message board in the next day or two for the always insightful and controversial league preview. Hint: Some of your teams aren't as good as you think they are. [/ QUOTE ] damn...do this tonight! Very interested in seeing this. |
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[ QUOTE ] Keep an eye out on the leauge message board in the next day or two for the always insightful and controversial league preview. Hint: Some of your teams aren't as good as you think they are. [/ QUOTE ] damn...do this tonight! Very interested in seeing this. [/ QUOTE ] Trying but it's a lot of stuff. It's really interesting doing it though. I'm sure lots will disagree, and that's part of the fun. And no, I do not think I am the best, or 2nd best, or even 3rd best team in the league. |
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Round 2 Best - Big Al [/ QUOTE ] I think you guys value him way higher than I do. Am I the only one that feels as if hes gonna struggle in Min? |
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[ QUOTE ] Round 2 Best - Big Al [/ QUOTE ] I think you guys value him way higher than I do. Am I the only one that feels as if hes gonna struggle in Min? [/ QUOTE ] yes |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Round 2 Best - Big Al [/ QUOTE ] I think you guys value him way higher than I do. Am I the only one that feels as if hes gonna struggle in Min? [/ QUOTE ] yes [/ QUOTE ] Jefferson was the #18 overall player selected. I am willing to bet anyone that he will be less than the 18th best player under our scoring system this year according to basketball monster. You interested? |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Round 2 Best - Big Al [/ QUOTE ] I think you guys value him way higher than I do. Am I the only one that feels as if hes gonna struggle in Min? [/ QUOTE ] yes [/ QUOTE ] Jefferson was the #18 overall player selected. I am willing to bet anyone that he will be less than the 18th best player under our scoring system this year according to basketball monster. You interested? [/ QUOTE ] No, I'm not. As I've said before, value is relative on the Monster. Besides, the question you asked wasn't "is he a top 18 monster player", it was does anyone else think he will struggle in minnessota. Two different questions. |
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Obviously by "struggle" I didn't mean that he was going to turn into Kwame Brown. I just didn't think he was as good as 18th overall. What do you mean by "value is relative on Monster"?
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Obviously by "struggle" I didn't mean that he was going to turn into Kwame Brown. I just didn't think he was as good as 18th overall. What do you mean by "value is relative on Monster"? [/ QUOTE ] Just because someone is ranked 18th on Monster doesnt mean absolutely that anyone would trade you whoever happens to be ranked 40th on monster for them for example. |
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[ QUOTE ] Obviously by "struggle" I didn't mean that he was going to turn into Kwame Brown. I just didn't think he was as good as 18th overall. What do you mean by "value is relative on Monster"? [/ QUOTE ] Just because someone is ranked 18th on Monster doesnt mean absolutely that anyone would trade you whoever happens to be ranked 40th on monster for them for example. [/ QUOTE ] agreed. For one theres age. And for two, you have to construct your team in a certain manner(for example a lot of people might not be willing to offer fair trade value for Dwight Howard because his FT% causes you to change your team so much). However in general, the monster rankings are a completely fair rating system, no? If not, what exactly is wrong with them? |
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However in general, the monster rankings are a completely fair rating system, no? If not, what exactly is wrong with them [/ QUOTE ] In general. Yes. But teams aren't constructed in general (well, a few super teams in the other league have been, but the vast majority don't have that luxury). It's a good *general* barometer though, I agree. |
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BTW, in case anyone was wondering, Barbier is definitely "that guy"....
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serg,
You got round 14 wrong. Theo Ratliff was worst by far. That was the biggest 'wtf' pick in my mind. |
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serg, You got round 14 wrong. Theo Ratliff was worst by far. That was the biggest 'wtf' pick in my mind. [/ QUOTE ] I think I actually read somewhere that he is healthier than he's been in a long time, and may split time with Blount pretty evenly. Given position scarcity and Theo's shot-blocking ability, even a moderate chance that he is not completely washed up makes it a halfway decent pick IMO. |
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Someone explain to me how in any league ranking system Barbosa is almost 20 spots higher then LBJ?
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Someone explain to me how in any league ranking system Barbosa is almost 20 spots higher then LBJ? [/ QUOTE ] First off, let me say that in 05-06 Lebron was ranked #12 overall, so don't be influenced too much by just one year. Secondly, as you can see by the results Lebron went much higher than Barbosa in the draft. However, Barbosa did come in at #13 last year while Lebron came in at just #42. There are 9 categories, each one counts equally. Points: Lebron >> Barbosa Rebounds: Lebron >> Barbosa Assists: Lebron >> Barbosa Steals: Lebron >> Barbosa Blocks: Lebron >> Barbosa 2pt FG%: Lebron > Barbosa Turnovers: Barbosa >> Lebron 3pt FG%: Barbosa >>>>> Lebron FT%: Barbosa >>>>> Lebron To put it simply, Lebron will often single handedly lose you your FT% category because he shoots so many FTs(9.0 per game) and he is a poor shooter. Barbosa will often single handedly win you your teams 3ptFT% because he shoots so many(5.5 per game) and is a great 3pt shooter. Lebron also shoots a high amount of 3s(4.0 per game) and while 31.0% isn't horrible, its gonna be below our league's average imo so that ends up hurting you. In all of the other categories(except for turnovers), Lebron gives you a moderate edge. However that edge can be made up for by just one other player. A big goal of mine while building my team was to avoid any players that kill you in one area. Just look at my first 5 picks: Marion, Barbosa, Allen, Childress, and Battier. Note that if you remove FT% and 3ptFG% and make it 7 categories then Lebron jumps all the way up to #7 overall. Take out turnovers and hes #4. |
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The preseason write-up has been posted to the league message board.
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Possible best team in the league if Wade comes back healthy and soon? ONE TIME DWADE!!!
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For those interested, here's Clarky's season preview
You want draft evaluation, team evaluation, season prognostications and playoff forecasts? You've got it. For your enjoyment and discussion below is the 2007-2008 NBN2 Preseason Forecast Eastern Conference Atlantic Division Vatican City State Pretty Bunny Princesses (Assani Fisher) Biggest Early Reach: Ray Allen – Hard not to envision a decline for this aging forward even if he hadn’t gone to a slower paced conference on a team with more weapons. By Week 4 an 8.0 C1 contract on an efficient 16ppg guy will make people wonder why Assani didn’t choose any number of better options at this time. One of the worst picks in the draft IMO. Biggest Late Round Steal: Darko Milicic – Getting a very young center who still can legitimately improve for a 4.5 C2 deal is a bargain. Low risk, potentially high return, at a position that many owners neglected in this draft. Guards – B+ Led by Barbosa, it’s efficient bunch with a good mix of youth and production. Great % guys, perfect for a team with good big men. Unfortunately, this isn’t a team built around big men. Forwards – C- Marion’s godlike status will carry the load, but the rest of the crew (Kapono, Scola, Battier, misc scrubs) is pathetic as a whole. Centers – C+ Blount and Darko were steals and Kwame is very serviceable if he gets PT. Overall – C The whole is not as good as the sum of its parts. Marion’s talents in steals and blocks are somewhat wasted on a team destined to be mediocre in those areas. Efficiency is outstanding for this team, but they will really struggle to compete in the bulk categories. Being in the very tough Atlantic Division doesn’t help. Prediction: 37-45, 4th Atlantic St. Petersburg Crush (Thayer) Biggest Early Reach: Ron Artest – One never knows how many games he’ll show up for and it’s not because he’s injury prone. Add in the fact that he’s a terrible fit on a team built around efficiency and I’m not sure what the thinking was here. A slew of more sensible options went in the subsequent 10-12 picks. Biggest Late Round Steal: Drew Gooden – Still young at 26, he’s super consistent when it’s all said and done. Last year’s 2% was an aberration and he’s a solid, efficient steal with a 4.1 C2 contract Guards – A- Billups and Mo Williams head a very productive bunch. Belinelli should help out and MoPete and White Chocolate aren’t sexy, but they are efficient. Forwards – B- Peja and Artest don’t seem to work well together, but along with Rashard Lewis and Gooden, this bunch is more than serviceable. Centers – A- I would’ve taken Amare #1 overall. Nazr, Mikki, and Pryz give more than enough supporting depth since one is bound to be serviceable (while the others likely crap out). Overall – A- More bulk than division rival Vatican City. This is a team with both bulk production and high efficiency.. Injury/Suspension concerns with Artest and Peja provide cause for concern. Prediction: 47-35, 1st Atlantic Boston CopyCelts (Josh – Epippen) Biggest Early Reach: Danny Granger – 5.9 C2 is absurd for a guy who has progressively gotten worse in his career. Passing on quality pieces like Mo Williams, Andrew Bynum, Nene (the next 3 taken) for a 4-year senior who hasn’t shown improvement is baffling. Biggest Late Round Steal: Udonis Haslem – That’s more like it. At 2.9 C2 he’s a better value than Granger. With oodles of playing time all but assured in injury riddled Miami, he’s solid value for the next few years. Guards – A An interesting mix of bulk guys (Williams, Andre Miller, Jameer) and efficient guys (Redd, JR Smith). Interesting and good. Forwards – B- Dirk gives both bulk and efficiency and works well with these guards (provided Deron doesn’t take too many 3’s). The rest of the forward cast, however, is serviceable but not much more with Haslem heading up a group with Granger, Korver and Craig Smith. Centers – F Mihm, Harrison and Diop are closer to an all-star waiver list than an N2 starting center rotation. Overall – B The guards are good, and if some of the forwards take a step forward, they should make the playoffs. Prediction: 43-39, 2nd Atlantic Bethlehem Bombers (Clark) Biggest Early Reach: Andrea Bargnani – Big gamble for little proven production. Age and long term center potential, but that’s the kind of thing that fools NBA GMs all the time. At a fully valued 6.9 C2, he better start producing fast to give the Bombers a reasonable return on investment. Biggest Late Round Steal: Troy Murphy – A guy with double-double potential at center on a 2.2 C2 contract is absurd. Guards – D+ Not an efficient bunch, but Conley and Hughes should provide a little bulk. The rest of these scrubs like Duhon and BJax produce right at their league minimum salary. Forwards – A- Butler, Maggette, Josh Smith, Bargnani, Frye and Dorell Wright provide a high end frontcourt that gives across the board production, albeit without ideal %’s. Centers – A+ Yao, Bogut, Murphy and young Zaza (is he really only 24?) are deep and talented. Overall: B- A quality bulk team with an anemic guard rotation, the question is can they win the FT% category enough times to make the playoffs. Prediction 42-40, 3rd Atlantic Northeast Division Allston Ruskies (Sergei – sergsz) Biggest Early Reach: Allen Iverson – A justifiable reach, but at his age and with an even bigger ballhog on the team than he (fellow Ruskie Carmelo Anthony), one has to wonder if it makes sense to pair young studs Anthony and LeBron with a guy like Iverson in the twilight of his career. Biggest Late Round Steal: Devin Harris – Super efficient, his MPG only figure to grow as Jason Terry gets older. Has yet untapped scoring potential, and with his efficient %’s, more shots is more rubles for the Ruskies. Guards – B Iverson, Jackson, Monta and Devin are a quality starting four, though the depth gets a little scary after that. The problem is that they all do different types of things, and the whole isn’t as great as the parts. Forwards – B+ Carmelo and Lebron anchor a frontcourt with Ariza, Amier, McDyess, CV31 and Travis Outlaw. Centers – C Dalembert is the name, with the always entertaining Adonal Foyle and the team water boy Oleksiy Pecherov watching from the bench. Overall – C A team with tons of quality assets, and awful chemistry. Will need to be active to really compete week-in, week-out as it’s mediocre at lots of things, great at few, and awful at a couple. Could be good down the road with some savvy trading. Prediction: 36-46, 4th Northeast Northampton Benchwarmers (Dave GKA) Biggest Early Reach – Rondo, LDO. Do I really need to say anything more? In two years he’ll be at 9.8 C4. Hard to imagine him growing into that kind of value. Yeah, he’s got crazy upside, but crazy upside is more than fully valued at his 6.8 C2 deal. Biggest Late Round Steal: For a team that is constructed for bulk, Sheed at a mere 4.9 is serious value. Yeah, he won’t be around in 3-4 years, but he’s a steal that late in the draft. Good pick for a guy who projects to outperform that salary easily this year. Guards – A+ Gilbert, Kidd, TMac, Rondo. Studs with a system. Forwards – C- Value pick Sheed may be the best of the bunch, with Barnes, Garbajosa, Oberto and budding young Bull Tyrus Thomas helping to chip in. Centers – C Ben Wallace is a good fit here. Magloire is serviceable. No backup plan. Overall – B Can the injury prone guard squad take home the bacon? Team is constructed reasonably well and built to win now. Should have a shot at and in the playoffs. Prediction: 44-38, 1st Northeast Bay State Pilgrims (Colin) Biggest Early Reach – Raja Bell is a handy player to be sure, but he’s getting older, there’s increased competition for playing time, and better options like Ricky Davis were chosen right after him. 5.7 C2 is a hefty price. Biggest Late Round Steal – If he’s really 100%, Richard Jefferson has a chance to be a long term blue chip asset at a 4.9 C2 deal. By comparison, I’d rather have him than Raja, or even (gasp) Rondo. Guards – B- An uninspired bunch is anchored by Paul Pierce who certainly has some question marks surrounding him this season. Tony Parker is absolutely rock solid if he continues to improve his FT%. Raja Bell is next best and the supporting crew is pretty unremarkable though not awful. Forwards – C Jamison, Jefferson, Noah, Posey, Gomes, Luke Walton. This is the definition of an average frontcourt. Centers – B Gasol over Yao? Wade? Bosh? I like the feisty Spaniard, but that wasn’t optimal. Dampier is a decent backup plan. Better keep them healthy. Overall – C+ Not sure there’s enough raw production here. Not awful, but not exciting. The definition of a mediocre team. Fortunately, they only truly suck in steals and blocks, while being mediocre enough across the board to maybe sneak into the playoffs. Prediction: 41-41, 2nd Northeast Ottawa Wild Aces (Barbier) Biggest Early Reach – David West is the oldest young guy in the league and Barbier’s mistake is evidenced by his willingness to dangle him to every team. Nice, efficient production but not much upside and some downside concern if Peja is healthy, Chandler continues to refine his game, and Paul continues to dominate the ball. 7.1 is a bit high here. Biggest Late Round Steal – He had several, but the biggest was possibly Kendrick Perkins. Big Fatty is still a kid and obviously will get oodles of PT if His Fatness can handle it. Nothing but upside at 3.4 C2. Guards – C+ Bibby, Crawford, Jack, Roy are very solid though not really dynamic. Decent longshot upside in Gerald Green, though I’m not a believer. Bonzi always produces if he gets minutes, but that’s a big if. Forwards – A- Bosh at 15 is totally absurd. Multiple owners dropped the ball on that one.Big Al, David West, and a variety of upside guys like Hayes, Evans, Blatche really provide a solid group. Centers – B Kaman and Perkins are good. Oden is on the way next year. I’m guessing that Brezec can handle spot backup duty if needed. Overall – C+ Poorly constructed but asset rich, the trade happy Aces are likely to dump the parts that don’t fit, find ones that do. If they don’t, they won’t be sniffing the playoffs. Prediction: 39-43, 3rd Northeast Western Conference Central Division Philadelphia Mercury (Matt freehat) Before I comment. Isn’t this a WNBA team name? WTF. Biggest Early Reach: Kevin Martin. Yes, I know him. He’s a stud. But a skinny one who either wore down or cooled off as the season went on last year, take your pick. Non-bulk high % guys are nice to have and trade for, tougher to spend a 2nd round pick on with guys who give both bulk AND %’s still on the board. Biggest Late Round Steal: Paul Milsap. Not sure his ceiling is super high since he seems likely to be career buried behind the young Jazz starting frontcourt, but he’s efficient and they love him. Good value for a mere 2.2 C2 contract. I would’ve taken him 4 spots later and nearly took him the round before. Guards – A- Nash is a god. Plain and simple. He alone makes your guards a B. Add in the aforementioned Martin, efficient counterparts Calderone and Stuckey are nice. Not very efficient Lou Williams seems like a nice piece as well. Forwards – C- David Lee, Chris Wilcox, Milsap and Maxiel don’t inspire fear. The bench might inspire fear in the Mercury faithful. Centers – B+ Chandler, Bynum with Foster on the bench. Real nice starting duo for years to come. Overall – C+ No one but Nash and Martin shoots 3’s, so they’ll win that every week. The other %’s are good, and nash can win assists all by himself on 4-game weeks. Not sure where the other category is coming from. Boards sometimes. Not sold that this team really has the depth necessary. Dominant in a few categories (runaway leader in 2%) and awful in others, sounds like .500 to me. Prediction: 41-41, 2nd Central Jersey Crack Horde (Alex, Irish Hand) Biggest Early Reach – Dwight Howard. Young, beastly and with seemingly huge unrealized upside. But he’s a two-category killer that corrupts how one builds a team. A good pickup late in the first, not sure he’s good value with Yao, Wade and Bosh still on the board. Biggest Late Round Steal: Stephon Marbury is an absurd value at 2.2 C2. Dude’s not a bad fantasy player at all, still got some years left, and amazingly, went AFTER guys named Boykins, White Chocolate, Alston. I mean, wtf. Guards – B Joe Johnson is great value in the 3rd round, and similar value (not the same as top notch production) is to be found in Azubuike, Felton, Foye and Francis. Forwards – B Jeff Green falling to 9 in the rookie draft was a boon for the Horde. He’ll play with AK47, Wally Z, Gerald Wallace, Kenyon Martin in the all-injury frontcourt. But, if they stay healthy, they are the perfect compliment to men in the middle. Centers – A Howard and Nene are beastly. Period. Overall – B+ Very well constructed this team will bulk the heck out of people while not giving away % categories. Legit title contender…….if they can stay healthy. Prediction: 44-38, 1st Central Kutztown Dodgers (Marc, Needle77) Biggest Early Reach – Emeka Okafor over Bosh is simply indefensible. I don’t want to pile on because it’s already been discussed on the forum. Biggest Late Round Steal – Hedo Turkoglu is a super nice value pick at a paltry 1.7 C2. With other scoring options he should only do better and he’s always been a handy guy. Guards – C- Rip is solid, as is Jason Terry. But neither is spectacular and the rest of the crew (Alston, Speedy, Anthony Parker) is basically waiver fodder. Forwards – C- Boozer is a max guy if you believe last years production. Hoford could be a stud in the making. Good core to build around. Hedo is the next best on the team and while I like him as a pick, Hedo simply can’t be your 3rd best forward. Centers – B+ Okafor and Ilgauskis are super solid, though they don’t necessarily work well together with the FT thing and all. Rasho a handy bench guy. Overall – C Simply not enough talent, or well enough constructed to compete this year. Okafor cranks out a lot of production, but it’s different production than the rest of the team. I like Boozer, I like Okafor, I don’t like Boozer and Okafor, if that makes sense. Prediction: 37-45, t-3rd Central NY Blue Barracudas (Alan primetime) Biggest Early Reach – If you’re gonna have one, have it be the last pick in the first 5 rounds (the standard for “early round reach”). Brad Miller is declining, facing foot issues, and now has competition for minutes from the rookie and Mikki Moore. Chris Kaman went two picks later. No brainer to take the younger guy who doesn’t have Brand hogging boards for a season. Biggest Late Round Steal – Boris Diaw. Yeah, he’s 2005’s news, but he’s still efficient, still young, and eventually Marion’s gone or someone gets hurt. Until then he’ll quietly pump out 10/4/4 for a mere 3.4 C2 deal and have breakout potential at the sight of a player breaking down in Phoenix. Guards – A- Chris Paul, Iggy, Baron are an elite 3-some. Good filler depth behind them with Cassel, Reddick, Butler. Forwards – D Kevin Durant is a huge help from the rookie draft. But even so, this is a thin, thin group. Rudy Gay, Mike Dunleavy and Diaw round out the starters. Long on youth, short on production. Centers – B- Aldridge and Brad Miller are very solid and efficient starters. Overall – C+ Well constructed team may possibly greater than the sum of the parts but I wouldn’t count on it. Young team is obviously a year or two away. Prediction: 37-45, t-3rd Central Pacific Division Washington Black Mass Reverends (Hayden Aces McGee) Biggest Early Reach – Kirk Hinrich is a fine player, but with Joe Johnson and others still on the board he’s not necessarily fine value. Many better options were available and Kirk really should’ve have gone until later in the 3rd. Biggest Late Round Steal – Call me crazy but I’m long on Walter Herrmann. Ammo’s out, the team is injury prone, and he should find minutes, which is all he needs to be a very productive fantasy guy given his meager 2.2 C2 contract. Guards - A- Kobe isn’t only the best player in the NBA, he’s a heck of a fantasy player too. Along with Hinrich, Tinsley, Brevin Knight and Bell, the Revs have a solid starting backcourt. Forwards – A- Elton Brand a year from now will be one of the better values in the league. However, losing his production now definitely hurts. Hoping to pick up the slack are Odom, Jermaine O’Neal, Nocioni, Herrman and some other decent role players. Centers – C+ Curry was a good value pick, and Mourning is reliable for major help in blocks. Elson and Swift provide serviceable backup depth at minimal cost. Overall – B This team is loaded once Brand gets back.. Value up and down the roster. Unfortunately, Brand isn’t back for a while and they are in a very tough division. Prediction: 41-41, 3rd Pacific St. Paul Sqaws (Robbie rwesty) Biggest Early Reach – Manu Ginobili is a consistent NBN contributor. He’s also getting older and isn’t that steady or good to be drafted ahead of guys like Carmelo Anthony, Barbosa, Joe Johnson, Michael Redd, etc. This was a flat-out reach by at least a full round. Biggest Late Round Steal – IF he plays in the NBA this year, Anderson Varejao is a really great pickup at a paltry 1.7 C2. Plays behind two guys who only get 30mpg each ensuring he also gets plenty of PT. Got to hope he signs with the Cavs and gets back on the court. Guards C- – Ginobili heads up an uninspired bunch including Jason Richardson, Mobley, Harpring, rookie Acie Law and Earl “how did I go ahead of Marburry” Boykins. Forwards – B- NBN god Kevin Garnett is the anchor of this team with solid help from Josh Howard and Zach Randolph. Will the supporting cast of Najera and Varejao fill the gap? Centers – B- – While Okur is a great start, he needs someone else to help spell him. No other center on the roster. Overall C – This is a thin bunch. Reasonably efficient though which should help mask a lack of either quality guard help or enough critical frontcourt mass. We’ve seen before in other leagues, Kevin Garnett (3-time MVP) can simply carry a team on his back to the playoffs. Prediction: 43-39 2nd, Pacific Anchorage Igloos (sethypooh) Biggest Early Reach – Camby may have been “best available player by a longshot”, but there was a younger, soon to be better version of him taken one spot later. Simply too injury prone and too old to be taken at #21 overall, despite undeniable top 10 per game production. Biggest Late Round Steal – Brendan Haywood at 1.7 is a great bargain that should be retainable for several years. Etan Thomas going down only helps his value – if he can stay out of foul trouble. Guards – A+ Injury questions allowed Wade to freefall all the way to #12, something unfathomable this time last year. Couple him with Vince Carter, Ricky Davis and Delonte West and you have an efficient bulky core that is arguably the leagues best starting guard rotation. Forwards C+ Mike Miller works great with these guards, and he’ll need to. Collison and Al Harrington are nice starters and the last spot will be filled by one of Corey Brewer or Marvin Williams. Seth is hoping Sean May can return next year for a cheap “offseason addition” heading into 2008-9. Centers B+ Camby’s a stud, and Haywood a nice piece. Dikembe is a spot starter with upside if Yao gets hurt, and Petro could conceivably be in the regular Sonics rotation. Good group. Overall A- This is a good team and definitely the best in the West if Wade comes back soon and healthy. But that’s a huge if. But if he does, they may be the best in the league. Prediction: 47-35, 1st Pacific Milwaukee Beers (Ebenhoe) Biggest Early Reach – The much discussed Duncan over Bosh pick. I think Bosh is not only better long term, but better now as well. I view this as a pretty big mistake. Biggest Late Round Steal – TJ Ford at 5.1 C2 is good value. Tons of bulk and on a team that is improving. I like this pick at this spot. Guards – C Lutha and Gordon shoot a good %, Ford supplies some Bulk, and Sasha and Blake will help fill in. Not a very deep group with playing time question marks abounding. Forwards – C+ Duncan anchors a group that includes future superstar Luol Deng and some role players. Warrick, Nachbar and Simmons round out a group with a drastic dropoff after the first two. Centers B+ The Diesel found a home, and is with young breakout Andris Biedrins and Nenad Krisitc. Solid group, especially if you believe Biedrins still has upside and will be more than a white Dalembert. Overall – C Ford’s a bad fit, but great value. Shipping him out for another sharpshooting guard or maybe some more bulk production at forward can help this team capitalize on their frontcourt depth surrounding Deng, Duncan and their centers. Good mix of youth and production, but needs some work on the production side. Great at 3% and blocks, awful at FT% and 2%, will they be able to carry enough of the other categories in arguably the league’s toughest division? Prediction: 37-45, 4th Pacific Overall the conferences are balanced, with the Division powerhouses being heavily concentrated in the Atlantic and Pacific. I give the Pacific the nod as the toughest division in the league. Playoff Predictions East #1 St. Petersburg over #4 Bethlehem 7-2 #3 Boston over #2 Northampton 5-4 #1 St. Petersburg over #3 Boston 5-4 West #1 Anchorage over #4 Washington 6-3 #3 St. Paul over #2 Jersey 5-4 #3 St. Paul over #1 Anchorage 5-4 Finals #1 St. Petersburg over #3 St. Paul 6-3 Good luck to everyone and have a great season. |
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A few minor typos in my haste to get it out quickly. Apologize for the obvious minor errors.
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We shall see who survives the Danny Granger firestorm.
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Granger:
0506: 23mpg, 8ppg, 5rpg, 1apg, 0.7stl, 0.8bpg 0507: 34mpg, 14ppg, 5rpg, 1apg, 0.8stl, 0.7bpg 48% increase in minutes...significant increase in point production, significant decrease in every other category. He went from minutes at SF/PF to almost exclusively SF minutes and adapted by hoisting more shots and doing less of everything else. Somebody explain to me how he got better. |
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Maybe I'm doing it wrong, but this league is going to be
A) bananas; B) a huge time suck; and C) super fun |
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Trade that just happened:
Bethlehem Bombers(clark) trade Rodney Carney, Mike Conley, Chris Duhon, Bobby Jackson, Shaun Livingston, Darius Miles, Troy Murphy and Josh Smith to Anchorage Igloos(seth) for Nick Collison, Francisco Garcia, Brendan Haywood, Dwyane Wade and Delonte West. |
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I also got his next years 1 and 2 and he got my next years 1.
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This deal had it all. Thrown in cap fodder to make it work. Future draft picks. Max players, young players, proven players, young players, injured players.
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And an immediate "[censored] me" from both of us as the Davis/Walker trade IRL went down roughly 10 minutes after we completed it...
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MIA/MIN trade no impact on your guys' deal. Lots of rubbish in the mix, but ultimately:
G Wade G Delonte F Collison C Haywood FOR G Conley F JoshSmith C Murphy 2nd round pick At this point, the swapped 1sts is irrelevant since most teams are close enough that they all have a lot of swing value until we get a month plus of games under our belts. Wade>>JoshSmith, not close Murphy=Haywood (considering Haywood has a bigger salary) Conley>Delonte+Collison |
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We should get someone to build one of those ESPN Trade Machines for our league.
-McGee |
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We should get someone to build one of those ESPN Trade Machines for our league. -McGee [/ QUOTE ] Apparently, it's called "IrishHand" |
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[ QUOTE ] We should get someone to build one of those ESPN Trade Machines for our league. -McGee [/ QUOTE ] Apparently, it's called "IrishHand" [/ QUOTE ] I heard that program is good but "ClarkNasty" is better. I haven't tried either yet but its just the rumor. |
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ClarkNasty has a bug where it vastly overrates Bulls players. Still in beta IMO.
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