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He thinks the site is rigged to make the tournaments end faster. That Stars does something to shorten the game once there is 5 or less players.


Thank you for clarifying waht I was trying to say...that is Indeed my claim....only for 3.40s...I have no data on any other game they offer....

As such I'd vote for insane but only because retarded wasn't offered as an option

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Why do you think it is sooo far fetched...??When was the last time you played these games that I am referring to.....if you haven't tried in a while...once again I encourage you to go and try for yourself...

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Mike, I didn't want 2 believe you before........but I think that now I Want 2 Believe......it's the only logical answer..........because of course.....the Zoo only attracts the most sensible......logical posters on this series of tubes we call the...............Interwebs, amirite?

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You are really pushing your luck here. If this wasn't such an interesting thread you would definitely be gone for spamming yet again. No more. Please.

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Why would they rig only 3.40 sng's? They make much more money from 100-600nl for example.

I guess you don't have money to join these tables to prove it. too bad. might have been a huge story!

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YOu know the way you are treating me...I could say that you are working for STARs...not wanting the greater truth to be revealed....but of course that would be an obsurd claim....I know you are just doing your job...trying to keep the forum clean and such.....So Let me say it again..I am not affiliated with any site..no do I own any poker related business that would benefit from such claims...I am just a poker player like yourself and others in this community whojust wants to ensure that when I play with my hard earned money on any of these sites...and pay quite a bit of rake for providng the service.....the least they can do is make sure It is a Fair game....is that too much to ask??

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Thanks for making me smile on an otherwise depressing day sir.

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Mike Haven for mod.

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Then its time to put up or shut up sir....post your convincing stats now........I'm tired of getting ripped off...by these shady sites like Poker Stars.....it must stop now....$%^$^& fly by night operations....and that so called "moderator" of this forum......he's in league with them and all the sites I think.....pay him no attention he's a shill paid off by all the poker sites....post the hand histories quickly before he.......bans you and deletes them all like Riverstars pays him to.....

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Then its time to put up or shut up sir....post your convincing stats now........I'm tired of getting ripped off...by these shady sites like Poker Stars.....it must stop now....$%^$^& fly by night operations....and that so called "moderator" of this forum......he's in league with them and all the sites I think.....pay him no attention he's a shill paid off by all the poker sites....post the hand histories quickly before he.......bans you and deletes them all like Riverstars pays him to.....

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Nicely done sir....Why don't you participate in the challenge and prove me wrong??....

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Because he'd have to play 3 dollar sit and goes? You should cross post this german bbv.

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I'd like to hear from the OP his thoughts on why Stars would wait until the S&G is down to 5 players before rigging it.

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I actually just watched one of these and it seems that every few minutes it costs more to play a hand. wtf?

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I'd like to hear from the OP his thoughts on why Stars would wait until the S&G is down to 5 players before rigging it.

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Off top of my head...umm..Blinds are higher people will be forced to gamble...thus pushing their chips into the middle under perhaps not soo favourable situations......once all the chips are in...It's easy for the software to determine the fastest way to finish the toruament..kinda hard to finish a tournament if your chips don't go in the middle.....

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Then its time to put up or shut up sir....post your convincing stats now........I'm tired of getting ripped off...by these shady sites like Poker Stars.....it must stop now....$%^$^& fly by night operations....and that so called "moderator" of this forum......he's in league with them and all the sites I think.....pay him no attention he's a shill paid off by all the poker sites....post the hand histories quickly before he.......bans you and deletes them all like Riverstars pays him to.....

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Nicely done sir....Why don't you participate in the challenge and prove me wrong??....

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I believe.....I already explained this.......in a previous post....much easier for you to post.........the extensive proof I.........know you must have.....than for me to...play 10 SNGs......on that rigged site.....I Want 2 Believe!!!!!!

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I believe.....I already explained this.......in a previous post....much easier for you to post.........the extensive proof I.........know you must have.....than for me to...play 10 SNGs......on that rigged site.....I Want 2 Believe!!!!!!

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It is painfully clear that you have no epxerience with the use of "....." to create sentences......please go back to my posts and see how it is done in a manner that allows you to construct sentences that frees you from the use of those fancy "commas", "semicolons"; It is indeed hard to accept something that is new and different...once you are used to the familiar.....

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So does this mean....you're posting....those stats and....hand histories soon???? I can't stand the......fact that Riverstars is.....getting away with this.....

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I actually just watched one of these and it seems that every few minutes it costs more to play a hand. wtf?

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I see what you did there.

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So does this mean....you're posting....those stats and....hand histories soon???? I can't stand the......fact that Riverstars is.....getting away with this.....

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please read the Original post.....I know you can do it....

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Read it a long time ago thanks...maybe you should....read some of mine....where I suggest that it would....be much easier for you......to post the stats you.....already have.....rather than have us....try to.....prove a negative from.....10 SNGs....

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I'd like to hear from the OP his thoughts on why Stars would wait until the S&G is down to 5 players before rigging it.

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Off top of my head...umm..Blinds are higher people will be forced to gamble...thus pushing their chips into the middle under perhaps not soo favourable situations......once all the chips are in...It's easy for the software to determine the fastest way to finish the toruament..kinda hard to finish a tournament if your chips don't go in the middle.....

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Actually I have noticed this too...lots of times when I push my chips into the middle under not soo favourable situations, the software determines I should lose...bad pokerstars making the tournament end faster...

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I know much you are saying....I will definitely post those shortly.....But in the mean time wouldn't hurt for you to try for yourself as well....

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Off top of my head...umm..Blinds are higher people will be forced to gamble...thus pushing their chips into the middle under perhaps not soo favourable situations

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I thought you'd say that.

The statement, "Blinds are higher people will be forced to gamble," is exactly why it makes NO sense for the S&G's to be "rigged" once the table is down to five people. It doesn't need to be. If people are forced to gamble because of the higher blinds, the field will be whittled down quickly without "rigging."

It would make more sense to "rig" it early when the stacks are deep. You know, first hand (this actually happened in a MTT I was in on a different site tonight) deal someone AA and another KK.

Besides, the micro S&G's are so full of donkeys (I should know - I'm too much of a pansy to play past the $11 S&G's) that people commit all their chips with completely stupid cards all the time. There's no need to "rig" it with these people.

Now that I have pummeled you with knowledge, you can stop posting.

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Thanks for throwing yourself on the stars $3 sng grenade. I've been wanting to step up on this important issue for years, I just didn't have the courage. Don't listen to all these cutters, they have no idea how deep this scandal runs.


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I am so bored I am gonna play 10 of these at once

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the last posts makes it sound like you lost because you pushed under unfavourable situations....what I meant to say is that it's usually when you are the favorite...but are pushing because of the blinds/stack staus or what not...but even though u r the clear favorite...you will loose in those situations if it helps to elliminate you and end the tournament faster.....I hope this makes sense...I know it would be a lot easier if I showed you the exact situations....that;s why this was a challenge for the 2+2er to try for themselves what I was trying to say ...it is indeed very consistant and predictable.....

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"The statement, "Blinds are higher people will be forced to gamble," is exactly why it makes NO sense for the S&G's to be "rigged" once the table is down to five people. It doesn't need to be. If people are forced to gamble because of the higher blinds, the field will be whittled down quickly without "rigging."

It would make more sense to "rig" it early when the stacks are deep. You know, first hand (this actually happened in a MTT I was in on a different site tonight) deal someone AA and another KK. "




This is EXACTLY the type of COMMON SENSE thinking that allows for it to go unnoticed.....You have fallen victim to your own intelligence......IF IT IS SOO OBVIOUS WHY WOULD THEY DO IT.....is precisely how they are getting away with it...

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PokerStars Game #12731904339: Tournament #64614259, $3.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2007/10/20 - 00:32:32 (ET)
Table '64614259 1' 10-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: tundrajack (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: carggle (1420 in chips)
Seat 3: Lessu (1470 in chips)
Seat 4: Bigcluff (1800 in chips)
Seat 5: Oz Nurse (1870 in chips)
Seat 6: C-Notez (1420 in chips)
Seat 7: Bhangra23 (1300 in chips)
Seat 8: nickenick (1300 in chips)
Seat 9: R_Gilotti (1500 in chips)
Seat 10: coco banana (1420 in chips)
Oz Nurse: posts small blind 10
C-Notez: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Lessu [9c 8c]
Bhangra23: calls 20
nickenick: calls 20
R_Gilotti: folds
coco banana: calls 20
tundrajack: folds
carggle: folds
Lessu: calls 20
Bigcluff: calls 20
Oz Nurse: calls 10
C-Notez: checks
*** FLOP *** [6c 5c Kd]
Oz Nurse: checks
C-Notez: checks
Bhangra23: bets 80
nickenick: raises 80 to 160
coco banana: calls 160
Lessu: raises 1290 to 1450 and is all-in
Bigcluff: folds
Oz Nurse: folds
C-Notez: folds
Bhangra23: calls 1200 and is all-in
nickenick: calls 1120 and is all-in
coco banana: calls 1240 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [6c 5c Kd] [6s]
*** RIVER *** [6c 5c Kd 6s] [7c]
Bhangra23 said, "lol"
*** SHOW DOWN ***
coco banana: shows [8s 7h] (two pair, Sevens and Sixes)
Lessu: shows [9c 8c] (a straight flush, Five to Nine)
Lessu collected 240 from side pot
Bhangra23: shows [Kh Qd] (two pair, Kings and Sixes)
nickenick: shows [6h 6d] (four of a kind, Sixes)
Lessu collected 5260 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5500 Main pot 5260. Side pot 240. | Rake 0
Board [6c 5c Kd 6s 7c]
Seat 1: tundrajack folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: carggle folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Lessu showed [9c 8c] and won (5500) with a straight flush, Five to Nine
Seat 4: Bigcluff (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: Oz Nurse (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: C-Notez (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 7: Bhangra23 showed [Kh Qd] and lost with two pair, Kings and Sixes
Seat 8: nickenick showed [6h 6d] and lost with four of a kind, Sixes
Seat 9: R_Gilotti folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 10: coco banana showed [8s 7h] and lost with two pair, Sevens and Sixes

obviously rigged

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"The statement, "Blinds are higher people will be forced to gamble," is exactly why it makes NO sense for the S&G's to be "rigged" once the table is down to five people. It doesn't need to be. If people are forced to gamble because of the higher blinds, the field will be whittled down quickly without "rigging."

It would make more sense to "rig" it early when the stacks are deep. You know, first hand (this actually happened in a MTT I was in on a different site tonight) deal someone AA and another KK. "




This is EXACTLY the type of COMMON SENSE thinking that allows for it to go unnoticed.....You have fallen victim to your own intelligence......IF IT IS SOO OBVIOUS WHY WOULD THEY DO IT.....is precisely how they are getting away with it...

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Which sites do you suggest for an honest game? What is your name there so I can make sure I am at the right site?

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Iwant2Believe,

1. how much have u lost in these games so far?
2. please tell us ur stars SN so we can sharkscope u

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Which sites do you suggest for an honest game? What is your name there so I can make sure I am at the right site?


I have no idea..I am not saying the whole site is rigged....all I said was it is CLEAR that the RNG had anamolies that favoure the site...all You have to do is either believe it....if you are curious..go ahead..try it...if you are convinced that they are not....show me your HH and I will point to you exactly where those anamolies are....

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Iwant2Believe,

1. how much have u lost in these games so far?


My winnings and losses have nothing to do with the claim...

2. please tell us ur stars SN so we can sharkscope u

I am sure you consider yourself a good player...please try it and then let me know what u think...I WILL NOT post my screenname yet for obvious reasons...

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Can I file a lawsuit to get the past few minutes of my life back I spent reading this tripe?

You are trying to tell us something, without showing us any signifigant proof what you are talking about. Please either start making sense or take your trollng and go away.

I need ask, have you spent any time in a B&M casino? Two players getting dealt monster pocket cards then hitting a flop happens all the time. Is that too collusion as to free up dealers and get more games in?

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lol. ive played hundreds of SNGs even though I normally play cash, i have a winning track record at SNGs and no I dont need to play 10 right now to try and prove something for YOU when I basically consider your accusations to be unfounded and baseless. Seriously, if you want to throw around such accusations then you need to provide evidence. ducy?

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"Can I file a lawsuit to get the past few minutes of my life back I spent reading this tripe?"

You are at home on a Fiday night reading a web forum...and you want to file a lawsuit to get a few minute of your life back?....LOL...Dude you need help...

"You are trying to tell us something, without showing us any signifigant proof what you are talking about. Please either start making sense or take your trollng and go away."

ALL THE PROOF YOU NEED IS RIGHT THERE IN PLAIN SIGHT...JUST HAVE THE COURAGE TO OPEN YOUR EYES...

"I need ask, have you spent any time in a B&M casino? Two players getting dealt monster pocket cards then hitting a flop happens all the time. Is that too collusion as to free up dealers and get more games in? "

This has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with the issue at hand...PLEASE..READ...Comprehend....THINK...and then if you have some solid thought or idea...spend your valuable time on comprising a post....This way no lawsuits needed...

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PLEASE..READ...Comprehend....THINK...

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Think, think, think!
Now's the time to think, think, think!
When you have a problem, think, think, think!
Look at all the clues like the Super Sleuths do
And you'll think, think, think!

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I never saw a single worthwhile post from someone with a film avatar, who are these (as Mike Matusow would say) idiots?

ToT

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Ok I finished my ten...

4 in the money net up 8 bucks. Now what?

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PERFECT EXAMPLE BELOW..


PokerStars Game #XXXXXXXXX: Tournament #XXXXXXX, $3.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2007/10/20 - 01:13:36 (ET)
Table 'xxxxxx' 10-max Seat #10 is the button
Seat 2: player a (3900 in chips)
Seat 4: player B (1210 in chips)
Seat 7: player C (2610 in chips)
Seat 9: Player D(5695 in chips)
Seat 10: Player E (1585 in chips)
Player A: posts small blind 75
Player B: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Player E [Qd Th]
Player c: calls 150
player d: calls 150
player e: calls 150
player a: calls 75
player b: checks
*** FLOP *** [9c 3d 2s]
player a: checks
player b: checks
player c: checks
player d: bets 450
player e: folds
player a: folds
player b: raises 610 to 1060 and is all-in
player c: folds
player d: calls 610
*** TURN *** [9c 3d 2s] [2c]
*** RIVER *** [9c 3d 2s 2c] [Qh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
player B: shows [Ah Ac] (two pair, Aces and Deuces)
player d: shows [Ad 2d] (three of a kind, Deuces)
player d collected 2870 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2870 | Rake 0
Board [9c 3d 2s 2c Qh]
Seat 2: player a (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: player b (big blind) showed [Ah Ac] and lost with two pair, Aces and Deuces
Seat 7: player c folded on the Flop
Seat 9: player d showed [Ad 2d] and won (2870) with three of a kind, Deuces
Seat 10: player e (button) folded on the Flop

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Ok I finished my ten...

4 in the money net up 8 bucks. Now what?


I didn't say you can't win money...all I said is the RNG is flawed...


R you willing to say that the RNG is not compromized?..i.e did you not notice any "weird" results

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Holy crap......dude had Aces.....and lost!!!!....on the turn!!!!111!!1!1!!......I'm almost convinced...post more post more post more..............