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I like the email for handhistories idea, because in the NY Times blog he mentions that someone might be a hero at AP and is helping us out by sending the master hand histories. So if you have ever played with any of the suspected accounts, SEND THEM AN EMAIL. We might get lucky again.

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A confidential source told me that the guy is no longer with the company.

But maybe someone else is willing to send this stuff out.

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BTW, I was told that by two separate confidential sources, both of whom did not want to post on their names. I trust both of them.

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I like the email for handhistories idea, because in the NY Times blog he mentions that someone might be a hero at AP and is helping us out by sending the master hand histories. So if you have ever played with any of the suspected accounts, SEND THEM AN EMAIL. We might get lucky again.

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A confidential source told me that the guy is no longer with the company.

But maybe someone else is willing to send this stuff out.

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To clarify, you are saying the guy is no longer with the company as of very recently? And because of this situation? Feel free to not elaborate, you have divulged plenty.

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If you guys have an account on digg, it wouldn't hurt to digg the blog story on the NYTimes. We need a bunch of diggs for it to make it to the front page.

http://www.digg.com/offbeat_news/Abs...lown_Wide_Open

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QFT, all you have to do is register a Digg account (free, ez, fast) and then click a button on the site and that will help get this story out to a ton of people. It only has 56 diggs right now when there are clearly way more people than that reading this thread.

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Just skimming through the comments on the Freakonomics blog. I was both depressed by and encouraged by the number of people who are not convinced that cheating occurred. They may never be convinced, since it takes some thought and good poker knowledge to see it. This is depressing as anything that keeps people from seeing the truth is depressing. It's encouraging because I would hate to see a public overreaction that all online poker is rigged.

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Yeah, a person left this comment on digg. "Most claims that online poker is rigged are ridiculous and have no basis in facts. I don't understand how after looking at the hand histories and other relevant info any poker player could try and dispute the claim that cheating has occurred here."

Utterly ridiculous. This is what you call an argument through ignorance. Very annoying.

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I would include the fact that AP looked into the matter, including the tournament that we now have the complete hand history for, and then released a statement saying that they found no evidence of cheating.

Either they are:

1. Dumber than my eight year old.
2. Assisting in the cover-up.

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History is littered with criminals who came up with ingenious ways to cheat or steal, and then came up with the most brain dead mistakes to get caught. There is simply no reason to believe this affair is any different. As for the excel file containing evidence against Scott Tom specifically, you have to ask yourself was this simply another AP support blunder, an "I, robot" style breadcrumb sent by an employee with a conscience, or a "Sherlock Holmes" style red herring.

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Here's a post by "jacktipper" from P5's. I'll preface it by saying that this user name just registered today:

Wow - how shady is this. Scott Tom isn't the CEO of AP, he's the CEO of the company that owns AP and UB. I for one know he's still involved with the company business of BOTH sites.

Keep in mind, the people that own this site are 20-somethings, who are rich, living in a country with no rules (Costa Rica)... I'm just surprised it's taken so long for someone to get caught.

So - how bad is it in AP's ***official*** release that they lie and try to coverup that Scott hasn't been a part of the company.

Wow...

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Yeah this seems like the logical next point to investigate. If it can be shown that Scott Tom is currently/or was during the last year year still involved with AP, their latest press release would be a proven lie, and it would implicate Mark Seif who posted said release in his blog. Since he, as a partowner, certainly should know whether Scott Tom still is/was involved with AP.

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Just skimming through the comments on the Freakonomics blog. I was both depressed by and encouraged by the number of people who are not convinced that cheating occurred. They may never be convinced, since it takes some thought and good poker knowledge to see it. This is depressing as anything that keeps people from seeing the truth is depressing. It's encouraging because I would hate to see a public overreaction that all online poker is rigged.

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Yeah, a person left this comment on digg. "Most claims that online poker is rigged are ridiculous and have no basis in facts. I don't understand how after looking at the hand histories and other relevant info any poker player could try and dispute the claim that cheating has occurred here."

Utterly ridiculous. This is what you call an argument through ignorance. Very annoying.

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I think you misread the comment. He is saying that despite all the bogus claims, this one is incredibly obvious.

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Just skimming through the comments on the Freakonomics blog. I was both depressed by and encouraged by the number of people who are not convinced that cheating occurred. They may never be convinced, since it takes some thought and good poker knowledge to see it. This is depressing as anything that keeps people from seeing the truth is depressing. It's encouraging because I would hate to see a public overreaction that all online poker is rigged.

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Yeah, a person left this comment on digg. "Most claims that online poker is rigged are ridiculous and have no basis in facts. I don't understand how after looking at the hand histories and other relevant info any poker player could try and dispute the claim that cheating has occurred here."

Utterly ridiculous. This is what you call an argument through ignorance. Very annoying.

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Wait, the comment you quoted is 100% correct. Maybe you misread the last sentence with it's multiple negatives, but it's not wrong.

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Also, everyone please digg the story. It's super easy, I just registered and did it.

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Just skimming through the comments on the Freakonomics blog. I was both depressed by and encouraged by the number of people who are not convinced that cheating occurred. They may never be convinced, since it takes some thought and good poker knowledge to see it. This is depressing as anything that keeps people from seeing the truth is depressing. It's encouraging because I would hate to see a public overreaction that all online poker is rigged.

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At least one of the "skeptics" is probably an AP shill:

"I hear you - the claims and accusations are serious for all poker players, and so is the concept of someone being able to hack the system to gain some kind of advantage over fellow players - however i still believe having absorbed all the evidence being argued that given Absolute Poker has been audited in the past and is prepared to go through the process again with an apparently legit 3rd party - surely we wait to see if it is possible for someone to hack the system and cheat and allow the media companies they mention to offer all of us a fair explanation? And until this is complete all of the evidence being used by forum posters is purely circumstantial and doesn’t prove beyond reasonable doubt that anyone was able to hack the system and cheat.
I’m sure you know well that poker isn’t just about stats - so if luck and strategy didn’t have anything to do with the game - why would millions of people worldwide have poker as their prime recreation?

— Posted by jeffery smythe"

Sounds like PR script.

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Just skimming through the comments on the Freakonomics blog. I was both depressed by and encouraged by the number of people who are not convinced that cheating occurred. They may never be convinced, since it takes some thought and good poker knowledge to see it. This is depressing as anything that keeps people from seeing the truth is depressing. It's encouraging because I would hate to see a public overreaction that all online poker is rigged.

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Yeah, a person left this comment on digg. "Most claims that online poker is rigged are ridiculous and have no basis in facts. I don't understand how after looking at the hand histories and other relevant info any poker player could try and dispute the claim that cheating has occurred here."

Utterly ridiculous. This is what you call an argument through ignorance. Very annoying.

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Wait, the comment you quoted is 100% correct. Maybe you misread the last sentence with it's multiple negatives, but it's not wrong.

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Ugh, yeah. I misread it.

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I like the email for handhistories idea, because in the NY Times blog he mentions that someone might be a hero at AP and is helping us out by sending the master hand histories. So if you have ever played with any of the suspected accounts, SEND THEM AN EMAIL. We might get lucky again.

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A confidential source told me that the guy is no longer with the company.

But maybe someone else is willing to send this stuff out.

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To clarify, you are saying the guy is no longer with the company as of very recently? And because of this situation? Feel free to not elaborate, you have divulged plenty.

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Take a wild guess...

meanwhile, more breaking news, from sources at AP that will remain nameless:

The Potripper account belongs to AJ Green, former Director of Operations at AP and Scott Tom's best friend. AJ Green is currently VP of operations at nine.com.

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Dugg it. Perhaps we should get it put up on Slashdot as well? (I don't know much about slashdot aside from the fact that they are somewhat similar)

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The Potripper account belongs to AJ Green, former Director of Operations at AP and Scott Tom's best friend. AJ Green is currently VP of operations at nine.com.

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What. The. [censored]. How deep will this go?

Adanthar: Is it possible to give SL__72 permanent editing rights of the OP so that he can keep adding stuff as it comes up?

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I like the email for handhistories idea, because in the NY Times blog he mentions that someone might be a hero at AP and is helping us out by sending the master hand histories. So if you have ever played with any of the suspected accounts, SEND THEM AN EMAIL. We might get lucky again.

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A confidential source told me that the guy is no longer with the company.

But maybe someone else is willing to send this stuff out.

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To clarify, you are saying the guy is no longer with the company as of very recently? And because of this situation? Feel free to not elaborate, you have divulged plenty.

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Take a wild guess...

meanwhile, more breaking news, from sources at AP that will remain nameless:

The Potripper account belongs to AJ Green, former Director of Operations at AP and Scott Tom's best friend. AJ Green is currently VP of operations at nine.com.

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head asplode

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I like the email for handhistories idea, because in the NY Times blog he mentions that someone might be a hero at AP and is helping us out by sending the master hand histories. So if you have ever played with any of the suspected accounts, SEND THEM AN EMAIL. We might get lucky again.

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A confidential source told me that the guy is no longer with the company.

But maybe someone else is willing to send this stuff out.

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To clarify, you are saying the guy is no longer with the company as of very recently? And because of this situation? Feel free to not elaborate, you have divulged plenty.

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I don't know when it happened. I have a lot of people emailing me info, but not all of it is complete. A lot of them work for AP or live in Costa Rica, so they don't want to expose themselves.

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I like the email for handhistories idea, because in the NY Times blog he mentions that someone might be a hero at AP and is helping us out by sending the master hand histories. So if you have ever played with any of the suspected accounts, SEND THEM AN EMAIL. We might get lucky again.

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A confidential source told me that the guy is no longer with the company.

But maybe someone else is willing to send this stuff out.

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To clarify, you are saying the guy is no longer with the company as of very recently? And because of this situation? Feel free to not elaborate, you have divulged plenty.

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Take a wild guess...

meanwhile, more breaking news, from sources at AP that will remain nameless:

The Potripper account belongs to AJ Green, former Director of Operations at AP and Scott Tom's best friend. AJ Green is currently VP of operations at nine.com.

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Wow. Just wow.

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Also some pure speculation as to a motive, if you have Scott posting thousands of msgs on sportsbetting forums, maybe he has a bad habit of overbetting or was on a bad streak during times he decided to essentially raid ppls poker accounts.

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edited some posts because Tom Scott != Scott Tom, ldo

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Oh boy

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wow

I wonder how many other employees at AP will be implicated...

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Where'd you get this info? Inside AP?

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sigh

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omfg, calling security, how do we know this?

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serge for mod

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i wonder how other poker sites feel about this. legit sites that is. they cant be too happy with absolute.

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omfg, calling security, how do we know this?

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at this point every single person at AP has read or is reading this thread, figure it out from here

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whistleblowers FTW!

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omfg, calling security, how do we know this?

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at this point every single person at AP has read or is reading this thread, figure it out from here

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and every other pokersite

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one important thing of note is that this new info contradicts Dan Druff's theory, which was sold on the four accounts belonging to players that were inactive in the absolute system for a very long time

the truth proves to be just hilariously dumb.

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I have at least two sources from inside AP. They have a bunch of leaks.

From talking to Adanthar on AIM, a bunch of people there are talking to him too.

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one important thing of note is that this new info contradicts Dan Druff's theory, which was sold on the four accounts belonging to players that were inactive in the absolute system for a very long time

the truth proves to be just hilariously dumb.

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It's still possible that they were inactive, just less likely.

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wow, absolute is going down

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Take a wild guess...
meanwhile, more breaking news, from sources at AP that will remain nameless:

The Potripper account belongs to AJ Green, former Director of Operations at AP and Scott Tom's best friend. AJ Green is currently VP of operations at nine.com.

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Don't you mean 'was' VP of operations at nine.com?

Just wow, they are so dumb.

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wow, absolute is going down

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This Poker King guy has the story on his front page. I think I've seen him before but I'm not sure.

I think I need to order a pizza. I can't leave my computer.

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Can anyone corroborate that AJ Green is Allan (sp?) Green?

http://www.pokerpages.com/players/pr...alan-green.htm

Looks like he had a close call recently...

http://www.gambling911.com/031406news.html (scroll to next to last story)

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I like the email for handhistories idea, because in the NY Times blog he mentions that someone might be a hero at AP and is helping us out by sending the master hand histories. So if you have ever played with any of the suspected accounts, SEND THEM AN EMAIL. We might get lucky again.

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A confidential source told me that the guy is no longer with the company.

But maybe someone else is willing to send this stuff out.

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To clarify, you are saying the guy is no longer with the company as of very recently? And because of this situation? Feel free to not elaborate, you have divulged plenty.

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Take a wild guess...

meanwhile, more breaking news, from sources at AP that will remain nameless:

The Potripper account belongs to AJ Green, former Director of Operations at AP and Scott Tom's best friend. AJ Green is currently VP of operations at nine.com.

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Absolute [censored]. Absolute security reviews the hands and says that is was just some donkey getting crazy lucky, paying no mind to the fact that said donkey was their former director of operations.

I don't see Absolute Poker surviving this.