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Geez, Eli Elezra is such a weak player. I saw nothing on PAD that made me think he was a good player. And I see him play split sevens with no kicker with a seven already dead and then bitching about not hitting the case. [/ QUOTE ] I don't think he cares. He bought his bracelet. |
Re: WSOP on ESPN thread (10/16 - $50K HORSE)
Razz pwns
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Is this ZeeJustin's first major TV appearance? congrats to him. He came off well in the very limited sample. [/ QUOTE ] I agree. He made correct decisions, seemed sure of himself, and immune to the idiotic chatter/whining. wp zj |
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I thought they did a really good job with the graphics and describing the split pot games. Of course it was just a skimming of the basics and not super accurate at that, but at least the casual viewer came away with a bit of understanding instead of total confusion like those games can bring. |
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It was good to see something besides hold'em on tv. The blue/yellow panels to display the percentages were super sexy too. Overall, I enjoyed both episodes much more than past WSOP shows.
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I wish instead of what % of the time the hand scoops they would show equity, but even that may confuse some people.
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[ QUOTE ] QQJJ is an excellent omaha high hand. Also not a bad hand in hi/lo but not as good as in high-only. [/ QUOTE ] This is very very wrong. Where do you play most of your Omaha may I ask? [/ QUOTE ] What? Are you saying that QQJJ is NOT a good Omaha-hi hand? C'mon man, get real. |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] QQJJ is an excellent omaha high hand. Also not a bad hand in hi/lo but not as good as in high-only. [/ QUOTE ] This is very very wrong. Where do you play most of your Omaha may I ask? [/ QUOTE ] What? Are you saying that QQJJ is NOT a good Omaha-hi hand? C'mon man, get real. [/ QUOTE ] Good, not awesome... |
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I wish in the stud/razz hands that they would show the upcards of all of the players on 3rd street.
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WTF? Is it just me or does pokertube [censored] blow. Can't watch anything on it b/c every video is so [censored] choppy. Plays 3 seconds, then pauses for 25, rinse and repeat.
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WTF? Is it just me or does pokertube [censored] blow. Can't watch anything on it b/c every video is so [censored] choppy. Plays 3 seconds, then pauses for 25, rinse and repeat. [/ QUOTE ] It works absolutely fine for me. Must be something on your end. |
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[ QUOTE ] WTF? Is it just me or does pokertube [censored] blow. Can't watch anything on it b/c every video is so [censored] choppy. Plays 3 seconds, then pauses for 25, rinse and repeat. [/ QUOTE ] It works absolutely fine for me. Must be something on your end. [/ QUOTE ] JJ, Alright thx man. Maybe I will try watching it in a different browser or something. It is so bad for me right now that I can't even watch it. |
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The HORSE coverage wasn't that bad, but it could have been way better. First of all they have to show way more hands and second, if anything they should cut out Hold'em as much as possible. Basically O-R-E should dominate the coverage, because that's what gets the least attention in other shows.
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QQJJ is an excellent omaha high hand. [/ QUOTE ] O8 - spew, and how is QQJJ an excellent omaha hand? stealing the blinds hoping no one calls or trying to flop the nut cheap in mutiway pots. that's like saying PP 6s is an excellent limit holdem hand and is playable in all situations. [ QUOTE ] It was QJT9 (singlesuited), not a very good hand [/ QUOTE ] O8 EP - complete spew, glad we agree. [ QUOTE ] Someone also limped in with AK64 not that good O8 hand which makes Daniels play a little better [/ QUOTE ] this makes daniels play a little bit better. now you're just spewing [censored]. [ QUOTE ] he plays O8 with players that play worse than him. [/ QUOTE ] irrelevant, we also thought this about HSP. |
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Really against to educate the fish but:
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] QQJJ is an excellent omaha high hand. Also not a bad hand in hi/lo but not as good as in high-only. [/ QUOTE ] This is very very wrong. Where do you play most of your Omaha may I ask? [/ QUOTE ] I play PLO100 6-max at stars and Crypto, please stop by anytime. It's not very very wrong, it's a very good hand and I would almost raise with every time (unless in the blinds or if someone else have raised). The hand has about the same strenght as QJT9 (according to Ciaffone) [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] QQJJ is an excellent omaha high hand. [/ QUOTE ] and how is QQJJ an excellent omaha hand? stealing the blinds hoping no one calls or trying to flop the nut cheap in mutiway pots. [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] Why would anyone raise in omaha at any point then with that stupid reasoning? It sounds on you that QQJJ isn't even a playable hand. If you play (weak)tight like that, you are very welcome to my tables. With QQJJ you can flop high sets and also has some straihtpossibilities. If you raise with it preflop you can also take the pot with a continuation bet against a weak-tight player (such as yourself?). If you hit a set you may not get credit for such a good hand, since you raised preflop. Of course it's only a preflop hand, you have to play the flop also in omaha. AAKKds and AAJTds is two of the best hands in omaha, but if the board comes 865 with no cards in your suit and there are several people in the pot the hands are worthless. How do you play omaha? Very tight and only raise with AAxx? [ QUOTE ] that's like saying PP 6s is an excellent limit holdem hand and is playable in all situations. [/ QUOTE ] Are you really that stupid? Lets compare it with Pocket Jacks in limit hold'em instead. But I'm not talking about any limit hold'em or make comparisons with that game. [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] QQJJ is an excellent omaha high hand. [/ QUOTE ] O8 - spew, [/ QUOTE ] With QQJJ you can get a high set, not that unlikely that it would be the best hi-hand and also scoope the whole pot. A longshot so you want to see the flop cheaply, so limp in. [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] It was QJT9 (singlesuited), not a very good hand [/ QUOTE ] O8 EP - complete spew, glad we agree. [/ QUOTE ] No it's an ok hand to play, allthough not the best hand. With QJT9 you have all four cards working together, you can get high straights and high two-pairs. Or as in this hand, flop an inside wrap (and a flushdraw?) and take down the pot with a simple bet. T987 would be completely spew. |
Re: WSOP on ESPN thread (10/16 - $50K HORSE)
Just stopping by to say these were some of the most enjoyable WSOP episodes in recent memory.
Hellmuth is GOD AWFUL at 0/8 and it infuriates me that he thinks there are "4 or 5 people in the world" better than him at it. QQJJ is a top tier Omaha hi starting hand. Anyone who disagrees needs to learn the game. |
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Anybody know why Deeb was pissed at the dealer that one hand with Gabe?
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I figured the dealer laughed at Gabe's comment.
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deeb looks funny wearing a hat.
they should show more omaha on TV (HSP producers are u listening?) |
Re: WSOP on ESPN thread (10/16 - $50K HORSE)
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] QQJJ is an excellent omaha high hand. Also not a bad hand in hi/lo but not as good as in high-only. [/ QUOTE ] This is very very wrong. Where do you play most of your Omaha may I ask? [/ QUOTE ] What? Are you saying that QQJJ is NOT a good Omaha-hi hand? C'mon man, get real. [/ QUOTE ] It is just a good hand, nowhere near 'excellent' however. In O8 it is total spew though. Ok? |
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You don't understand the value of double pairs in Omaha. At a full table I'll take QQJJ over AA95 any day.
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Ummmmmmm me too. I never said anything about AA95 being better. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
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QQJJ is a top tier Omaha hi starting hand. Anyone who disagrees needs to learn the game. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah it is. But it is a very marginal O8 hand. |
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hellmuth is such a dork [/ QUOTE ] Every time he knocks it up a notch. This week's highlight, making finger quotes in the air while talking to himself. |
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Ummmmmmm me too. I never said anything about AA95 being better. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] LOL... so if QQJJ and AAxx are only "good hands" what are excellent hands? Is your cutoff AAKKds? |
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[ QUOTE ] Ummmmmmm me too. I never said anything about AA95 being better. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] LOL... so if QQJJ and AAxx are only "good hands" what are excellent hands? Is your cutoff AAKKds? [/ QUOTE ] thereīs "AAxx" and AAxx, right? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] AAxx can be pretty crappy if itīs not suited and with sidecards like 48 or sth. QQJJ isnīt even a monster in omaha hi, let alone hi/lo. iīd prefer sth like JT98ds all day long ... bottom line: negreanu is nowhere near as competent in most games as he thinks he is. itīs really annoying to hear him talk how the tournament buy-ins should be much higher to make this a "pro only" thing when itīs obvious that most of his +ev comes from random amateur donks. |
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QQJJ double suited is a way above average O8 hand. But more important in this situation, you're not playing against your Aunt Millie and her sewing circle where you just sit and wait to make the nuts.
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Anybody know why Deeb was pissed at the dealer that one hand with Gabe? [/ QUOTE ] I was just gonna ask the same thing... |
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[ QUOTE ] Anybody know why Deeb was pissed at the dealer that one hand with Gabe? [/ QUOTE ] I was just gonna ask the same thing... [/ QUOTE ] I think the dealer kinda snickered or laughed in a unfortunate luck way, like "that's a tough beat". FD thought he was being laughed at. |
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QQJJ double suited is a way above average O8 hand. But more important in this situation, you're not playing against your Aunt Millie and her sewing circle where you just sit and wait to make the nuts. [/ QUOTE ] It certainly seems to me to be a decent hand if you can outplay your opponents after the flop. Whether DN does that or not, you O8 experts will have to tell me. |
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Hands that can scoop the whole pot, hi or both otherwise are a lot better in O8 tournaments because of the escalating blinds making small increases in chips not very good functionally or otherwise.
I'm by no means an O8 expert but I'd say I have a decent amount of experience and I didn't see anything that made me go 'huh?' last night except in the limit holdem part. In the hand with K8 v QT v JT v 86 not one of the players played it correctly on any street except Deeb betting the flop. |
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QQJJ....that's like saying PP 6s is an excellent limit holdem hand and is playable in all situations. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Are you really that stupid? Lets compare it with Pocket Jacks in limit hold'em instead. [/ QUOTE ] PP jacks is a top 10 holdem hand you moron! STFU and stick your omaha skills up your azz! |
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[ QUOTE ] QQJJ....that's like saying PP 6s is an excellent limit holdem hand and is playable in all situations. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Are you really that stupid? Lets compare it with Pocket Jacks in limit hold'em instead. [/ QUOTE ] PP jacks is a top 10 holdem hand you moron! STFU and stick your omaha skills up your azz! [/ QUOTE ] Nice argument, I win! |
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Hands that can scoop the whole pot, hi or both otherwise are a lot better in O8 tournaments because of the escalating blinds making small increases in chips not very good functionally or otherwise. I'm by no means an O8 expert but I'd say I have a decent amount of experience and I didn't see anything that made me go 'huh?' last night except in the limit holdem part. In the hand with K8 v QT v JT v 86 not one of the players played it correctly on any street except Deeb betting the flop. [/ QUOTE ] i also like deeb's pf check |
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I'm by no means an O8 expert but I'd say I have a decent amount of experience and I didn't see anything that made me go 'huh?' last night except in the limit holdem part. [/ QUOTE ] You must have missed about half the O and E hands then. |
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lolloloo @ the hellmuth hand against BarryG. So, so good.
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watching razz tilts me. [/ QUOTE ] Razz is to poker as the blues is to music. |
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