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OP - you sound like you're 18 and dont know how to play very well.

I'd say something quick and biting like "quit poker and get a job"... but I play poker for a living and dont suck at it... so that wouldn't make much sense.

quit poker and get a job

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Limit has less variance than NL

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No.

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One year ago, on October 2006 I started a project called Sponsored Online Investments Project

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SOIP bro?

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if I were the owner of this site I´ll ban the shet out of a lot of people here. A lot think they know more than they really do in this forum and probably losing a lot of money too

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Good thing you're not the owner of the site.

Luzyfer, in all seriousness, your post belies a lack of understanding about the game in general. For one thing, variance is higher at limit than no limit. At no limit you reach the long run much quicker than you do in limit. No limit punishes poor play much more harshly and much quicker than limit. This is why people generally go broke much faster at no limit than at limit when they're not good at poker, they're reaching the long run, and quickly. Its good that you see now that poker is not for you, very few are good enough to beat it for enough to make a living, you're talking at most the top few percent of all poker players.

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This post made my head hurt.

Ten hours a day playing online poker (or any poker for that matter)? Day in and day out? I'd kill myself (and others) if I had to do that.

If you can't beat NL50, you aren't very good. It's just that simple. That's not to say you can't improve, but you're naive to think you should be able to make thousands a month if you can't profitably play at this level.

And, as others have said, if you think LHE has less variance than NLHE, you're wrong in the head, brother. I can't even play LHE anymore because of the swings. It's a great game, but it's too nerve-wracking on me after the relative control I've found playing NLH.

I do tend to agree with your final conclusion, though. For the average (or even somewhat above-average) player, there are lots of easier and less stressful ways to make a good living than playing cards. There is nothing wrong with being a hobbyist -- playing the game for a living is definitely only for the few (and the masochistic if you ask me). I made peace a while ago that I can't do it, just like lots of folks couldn't do what I do for a living. Playing poker for a living requires a very specific skill-set, just like any other job. I probably can't do theirs, they probably couldn't do mine. That's what makes the world work.

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stfu guys. Even if he's only breaking even during that period he's doing better than 85% of the players. He tried something and it didn't work out, good job by OP to realize he should keep poker a hobby and hopefully make a few extra bucks on the side.

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somebody get this guy a wamburger and some french cries.

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I just want to call attention to OP's post count. None of these posts were in strategy forums, with the exception ambitiously titled "Can someone help me beat the NL 50 FR cash games at Party?"

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hm... how can u spend so much time playing poker and ur still not able to beat the micros??? thats strange but maybe poker is really not made for u.

good luck for whatever u going to do now.

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Are you working and promoting the website?

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God I hope he is . . . looks like they have some great articles:

Tips for Playing Pocket Jacks
Contrary to popular belief, Pocket Jacks are a very strong hand in NL Hold 'Em . . .

TELL ME MORE

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how could i survive without this article?????

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I wish this was a KKF gimmick account

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practice avoidance

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denial

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do any of you that are berating him win past 50 nl for more than 1-2 bb / 100 ?

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if you quit now you will never know if you actually can do it, the harder you work the luckier you get..

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TP/MH

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do any of you that are berating him win past 50 nl for more than 1-2 bb / 100 ?

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Yes.

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do any of you that are berating him win past 50 nl for more than 1-2 bb / 100 ?

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Yes, althought my yes has a lot less "oomph" than Phil's yes

A lot of players here overstate their abilities obv, but 2+2 has more than it's fair share of good lower and midstakes players.

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Back on topic though:

OP, it's clear that you're still a relatively inexperienced, intermediate player. I'm sure you're not completely lsot and have some knowledge as far as how to play, but there are probably a couple fundamental misunderstandings about poker, the limit variance thing is a good hint that there is room to improve your understanding. The "entitlement" thing someone else mentioned is spot on by the sound of it.

Developing a winning game at those limits, especially with the games playing the way they do now, can take a while longer than some players expect it will.

With regard to books and videos... half the people you play against have done the same thing. Last time I looked, CTS's video at Cardrunners had 15,000+ views, and most players there are playing 2/4 or less. A lot of 2+2 books have sold in the hundreds of thousands, many of them to your opponents.

Also, I think you might be overstating your situation and misleading yourself by calling yourself a pro. You're ran up a small bankroll grinding NL25 and aren't employed, that's a more accurate way to think about it.

I'm honestly not knocking you here, I'm just suggesting that you might have lost some perspective over the past few months. It sounds like you just decided to become a pro out of nowhere, it's not that kind of a job.

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stfu guys. Even if he's only breaking even during that period he's doing better than 85% of the players. He tried something and it didn't work out, good job by OP to realize he should keep poker a hobby and hopefully make a few extra bucks on the side.

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Thats true, but the problem with OP is, and many posters like that, is they try these experiments and then make claims that nobody can win at poker...in other words they are saying, "since I am great and cant win, then poker cannot be beat..."
Why not just admit, Im not as good as i thought...or, many players are better than me...
And, dammit, get a job..play poker, establish winning, then retire, if thats your choice.
The best is when he points out SBrugby winn9ng 3 mill and losing 2 mill, im okay at math, i think thats up one million..not too bad. People need to realize, that as a skill game, some have it, some dont. Some are bad, some okay, some good, some great! Thats how it is...admit it to yourself.

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yeah, its impossible to make money playing poker. look at cts, sbrugby etc etc...........

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The best is when he points out SBrugby winn9ng 3 mill and losing 2 mill, im okay at math, i think thats up one million..not too bad. People need to realize, that as a skill game, some have it, some dont. Some are bad, some okay, some good, some great! Thats how it is...admit it to yourself.

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The games he's playing can certainly be beaten, and for a lot more bb/100 than Brian Townsend can beat the nosebleed stakes for. That kind of variance is insane. No reason why a good player can't destroy NL25 for rediculous rates longterm.

Also, I'm still not sure what game OP is playing, FR NL25 one second, then 2/4 LHE the next.

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must be that 'variance' that's keepin everyone down...

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I think its great that you've got the courage to quit because you arent happy how things are going (im being totally serious). So many people just end up as degen rakeback grinding losers because they cant admit to themselves that poker isnt for them. kudos for not being one of these people. Good luck in your future endeavors and I actually envy the enjoyment you will get from playing poker simply as a hobby

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Thanks for being considerate. I wish I could be breaking-even and a "grinding for rakeback" loser. What kind of person do you need to become in order for poker to be for me? I really would like to make a living at it.

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You just have to be a consistent winner, but even then the swings are ridiculous. You can tell from your comments you are very inexperienced at the game. Your jumping from bonuses, to NL, to limit. You dont seem to grasp that poker is ALL about wins and losses. Nobody wins every day...its just that the days we win add up to more than the days we lose. 600 bucks? thats nothing, but you cant go from NL to 2/4 limit and expect to win right away. Even experienced players are rusty when they come back....
Play for fun...life is stressful enough...if losing 600 bucks in two days hurts, forget about playing for a living....you could have losing weeks or months. But, the idea is the wins and losses should balance out if your good nad youl just break even. If you're a great player, you'll come out ahead. If poker was beatable by anybody and everybody, nobody could win.
BTW, I dont play for a living, but i do play as my part time job...been doing it for 11 months, and Ive had 3 of those months Ive finished down!!! Thats just how it goes!

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Op can you clarify this for me:

"After lots 6 months I built my br to about playing NL25 and NL50 to around $1,200 but started having variance at NL50 and NL100 so I was unable to achieve any significant profits and my bankroll got stuck"

ARe you saying it took you 6 months playing 6/hrs a day to build a roll for 50nl, playing 25nl?

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These are the kind of arrogant claims that I cant stand about the guys on 2+2. As far as I know it took Chris Ferguson (with 5 fakin bracelets) more than that to get to $1500 so I fak off. http://www.fulltiltpoker.com/chris-ferguson-challenge

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Op can you clarify this for me:

"After lots 6 months I built my br to about playing NL25 and NL50 to around $1,200 but started having variance at NL50 and NL100 so I was unable to achieve any significant profits and my bankroll got stuck"

ARe you saying it took you 6 months playing 6/hrs a day to build a roll for 50nl, playing 25nl?

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These are the kind of arrogant claims that I cant stand about the guys on 2+2. As far as I know it took Chris Ferguson (with 5 fakin bracelets) more than that to get to $1500 so I fak off. http://www.fulltiltpoker.com/chris-ferguson-challenge

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He had A LOT less to work with. You're comparing apples and penguins. This is another sign of your less-than-basic understanding of the game.

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so if I can play 10 hours a day

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Isn't that like more hours than a "real" job? And any decent profession will gross you more than 4k a month anyways.

This is a funny post.

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Another ignorant and arrogant claim from the gods of poker. Correct me if I am wrong, but Leatherass (stoxpoker blogger) built his bankroll and makes most of his profits doing just that. http://www.stoxpoker.com/contributor-biographies. Go read about it and then eat a bag of shet.

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Look at sbrugby, the best online player today, won 3 million this year and lost 2 million..

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[x] OP fails to grasp the simple mathematics requisite to beating online poker.

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Go tell that to Sbrugby

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it took you 6 months to build up a to a 1200 roll? and i thought i sucked.

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http://www.fulltiltpoker.com/chris-ferguson-challenge

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lol fish

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I'd say something quick and biting like "quit poker and get a job"... but I play poker for a living and dont suck at it... so that wouldn't make much sense.

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Big deal. If you are making it then stop thinking you are the [censored] and contribute something. Look at sbrugby, makes millions, and keeps a sense of giving back to those who are trying to make it.

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This post made my head hurt.

Ten hours a day playing online poker (or any poker for that matter)? Day in and day out? I'd kill myself (and others) if I had to do that.

If you can't beat NL50, you aren't very good. It's just that simple. That's not to say you can't improve, but you're naive to think you should be able to make thousands a month if you can't profitably play at this level.

And, as others have said, if you think LHE has less variance than NLHE, you're wrong in the head, brother. I can't even play LHE anymore because of the swings. It's a great game, but it's too nerve-wracking on me after the relative control I've found playing NLH.

I do tend to agree with your final conclusion, though. For the average (or even somewhat above-average) player, there are lots of easier and less stressful ways to make a good living than playing cards. There is nothing wrong with being a hobbyist -- playing the game for a living is definitely only for the few (and the masochistic if you ask me). I made peace a while ago that I can't do it, just like lots of folks couldn't do what I do for a living. Playing poker for a living requires a very specific skill-set, just like any other job. I probably can't do theirs, they probably couldn't do mine. That's what makes the world work.

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You made peace a while ago that you cant do it? Didnt quite understand your post? Did you quit playing for a living or not?

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do any of you that are berating him win past 50 nl for more than 1-2 bb / 100 ?

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What an arrogant reply. Big fakin deal. Help those who are trying to do the same then. I play Div 1 tennis with a fakin scholarship and I probably beat the shet out of you at tennis because I have been playing it for like 15 years and I dont act that arrogant when someone asks me for help on tennis. Poker players are so naive, amazing.

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stfu guys. Even if he's only breaking even during that period he's doing better than 85% of the players. He tried something and it didn't work out, good job by OP to realize he should keep poker a hobby and hopefully make a few extra bucks on the side.

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Thats true, but the problem with OP is, and many posters like that, is they try these experiments and then make claims that nobody can win at poker...in other words they are saying, "since I am great and cant win, then poker cannot be beat..."
Why not just admit, Im not as good as i thought...or, many players are better than me...
And, dammit, get a job..play poker, establish winning, then retire, if thats your choice.
The best is when he points out SBrugby winn9ng 3 mill and losing 2 mill, im okay at math, i think thats up one million..not too bad. People need to realize, that as a skill game, some have it, some dont. Some are bad, some okay, some good, some great! Thats how it is...admit it to yourself.

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The best online player lost 2/3 of his winnings and you come up with some bullshet that some have and some dont. Are you on crack dude?

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You just have to be a consistent winner, but even then the swings are ridiculous. You can tell from your comments you are very inexperienced at the game. Your jumping from bonuses, to NL, to limit. You dont seem to grasp that poker is ALL about wins and losses. Nobody wins every day...its just that the days we win add up to more than the days we lose. 600 bucks? thats nothing, but you cant go from NL to 2/4 limit and expect to win right away. Even experienced players are rusty when they come back....
Play for fun...life is stressful enough...if losing 600 bucks in two days hurts, forget about playing for a living....you could have losing weeks or months. But, the idea is the wins and losses should balance out if your good nad youl just break even. If you're a great player, you'll come out ahead. If poker was beatable by anybody and everybody, nobody could win.
BTW, I dont play for a living, but i do play as my part time job...been doing it for 11 months, and Ive had 3 of those months Ive finished down!!! Thats just how it goes!

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Thats the kind of posting that should be allowed. Trust me I understand that losing is a part of the deal its just that when you work so hard, downswings are just fakin depressing and makes you wonder if the game is beatable.

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This post made my head hurt.

Ten hours a day playing online poker (or any poker for that matter)? Day in and day out? I'd kill myself (and others) if I had to do that.

If you can't beat NL50, you aren't very good. It's just that simple. That's not to say you can't improve, but you're naive to think you should be able to make thousands a month if you can't profitably play at this level.

And, as others have said, if you think LHE has less variance than NLHE, you're wrong in the head, brother. I can't even play LHE anymore because of the swings. It's a great game, but it's too nerve-wracking on me after the relative control I've found playing NLH.

I do tend to agree with your final conclusion, though. For the average (or even somewhat above-average) player, there are lots of easier and less stressful ways to make a good living than playing cards. There is nothing wrong with being a hobbyist -- playing the game for a living is definitely only for the few (and the masochistic if you ask me). I made peace a while ago that I can't do it, just like lots of folks couldn't do what I do for a living. Playing poker for a living requires a very specific skill-set, just like any other job. I probably can't do theirs, they probably couldn't do mine. That's what makes the world work.

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You made peace a while ago that you cant do it? Didnt quite understand your post? Did you quit playing for a living or not?

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I don't play for a living. I don't doubt that I have the skill to do it (I certainly am not good enough to play nosebleed stakes, but I could (and have) definitely beat midstakes NLH games online and live).

What I lack is what most people lack to be able to play for a living. I lack the will to grind hours a day, I lack the kind of emotional distance necessary to plow through the prolonged and brutal downswings that are inevitable with variance, and I cannot completely divorce myself from the value of money. In short, I don't have the temperament to gamble for a living. It takes a special kind of person.

Remember, there are (at least) two components to being able to play professionally -- one part is skill (which many on the 2+2 forums have), but the other is discipline and emotional toughness under financial extremity. Don't have that. And if you're freaking out over $600, you probably don't either. It's no knock on you -- not everyone is sick.

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Fak amirite?

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do any of you that are berating him win past 50 nl for more than 1-2 bb / 100 ?

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What an arrogant reply. Big fakin deal. Help those who are trying to do the same then. I play Div 1 tennis with a fakin scholarship and I probably beat the shet out of you at tennis because I have been playing it for like 15 years and I dont act that arrogant when someone asks me for help on tennis. Poker players are so naive, amazing.

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lol a question was asked and he answered it in about the least arrogant way possible, wtf is your problem?

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I did in fact start the same way as this post, but luckily before long I was able to make some pretty good money by beating some decent limits for a good clip. Grinding 10 hours a day bonus whoring is a bit of a grind, but it was fun. It is a lot more fun to play and beat some bigger games thouh I can say that much.