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It's on youtube but nt yet on pokertube

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where on youtube i dont see it

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User RakeFreezeDOTcom. Decent episode.

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Are Daniel and Jennifer still in love?

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You mean she dated Daniel too? Geez! Howard, Todd, Daniel - No wonder her kidneys don't work.

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HAHAHHA

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So what was the thing that Daniel and Jennifer saw/heard from Gold that tipped them off? I only saw its original run and haven't been able to go back and check it out again.

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Still can't find it on youtube or pokertube...help anyone?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gF4HlVPTNGw

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tytytytytyty

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You can hear it pretty clearly when Negreanu whispers in her ear. He says 'It's when he (Gold) told him (Elezra) he didn't want to get bluffed twice in a row, right?"

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eli´s so bad.

he´s capable of calling off 20k with K7s before the flop and still can´t call w two pair getting 4 to 1 on the river vs the worst bluffing machine ever ...

it´s just ridic when guys like him make fun of how bad jamie is.


re: jamie

"i don´t think i´m the best player in the world but i think i can be the best bluffer one day" - right after making the worst bluff ever that every perceptive player on the table read in a second ...

that made me lol so hard [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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I tend to agree there. When he ran his bluff on Eli I thought he had it in good shape until he started to yak. Once he did, everything he said seemed to scream "FOLD". I was very surprised to see Eli lay it down based on that. Maybe he thought he was being leveled.

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Thoughts on this episode:

- More ungodly bad play from Sam Farha. I never thought I'd root for Phil Hellmuth, Jr. to win a pot, but I was rooting for him on that AQ hand. Farha could run into AK or QQ+ sooo easily there vs Phil and is ahead (or making him fold) like never.

- Sucks to be Jennifer. The stackoff from Daniel looked bad but I think it was fine. If you put Jen on a range like { Ad9d, Ad8d, Ad7d, KTs, QdJd, Jd9d, T7s, 9d8d } then he has 38.44% equity and is stacking for 38.05% of the pot, so a slim profit. You can try adjusting that range but if you take out the trashier diamond hands you have to take out T7s as well.

- Godawful call from Jamie Gold with the 88 with two players behind him when Sammy flopped JJT with AJ. Also ridiculous to call the flop with the Q2 on Q33 and then fold when Sammy bets the turn. Hoping to hit the deuce and win with three pair? Figure Sammy will definitely check the turn?

- Other awful play this ep: Eli calling with the K7 on AK8 or AK9 or whatever vs like 34758934753495 guys behind him. Mike Baxter raising from the SB with K9o, then moving to bet and checking the flop vs Safai (which I thought was fine) but then check folding the turn? wtf? Also, Gabe can say Safai made a "great call" with the A6s vs Baxter if he likes, but srsly the guy is simply a donkey who never folds top pair.

- And finally: LOL at Gabe saying that "all the players at this table would know that a suited hand makes a flush more than unsuited". (For those who don't know, Phil Hellmuth once lost 10K prop betting that the opposite was the case with AKo vs AKs).

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eli´s so bad.

he´s capable of calling off 20k with K7s before the flop and still can´t call w two pair getting 4 to 1 on the river vs the worst bluffing machine ever ...

it´s just ridic when guys like him make fun of how bad jamie is.

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QFT. I'd have called before Gold got around to showing the 4c.

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- And finally: LOL at Gabe saying that "all the players at this table would know that a suited hand makes a flush more than unsuited". (For those who don't know, Phil Hellmuth once lost 10K prop betting that the opposite was the case with AKo vs AKs).

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But you can make two flushes with AKo??

Gabe has been leveling these players all season.. love it

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Are they playing with a 100,000 cap?

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jamie gold limping j4os??? i really cannot wait until there is a new lineup

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found it:

http://www.youtube.com/user/Ierons

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I feel for Jennifer, that could have been me: never ever playing a hand, finally you get your money in good and lose anyway. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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hasn´t been mentioned yet, but i really lold at sammys "you´re playing so tight, daniel, no way you´re playing on your own money."

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eli´s so bad.

he´s capable of calling off 20k with K7s before the flop and still can´t call w two pair getting 4 to 1 on the river vs the worst bluffing machine ever ...

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ELI is horrible. I was so pissed he didn't insta call that tell box GOld.

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it's so painful to see jamie check down the river when he should be making thin value bets. no one is bluff raising him and he bluffs the river constantly, but is happy to check down top pair and two pair when the board gets slightly scary.

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That Gold's riverbluff wasn't so bad. He showed the 4 of clubs, with what worse hands he could have got to the river? I mean calling with 4 high single card flush draw is donkish even for Jamie.

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Like I said I'd have called before he showed the 4, but a better question would be why he shows the 4 with the flush when the logical conclusion from showing it is that he has the flush. I think I'd still tend to put him on J4, 94 or 44 and raise small, but its possible I'd think he has the flush and fold. The point is tho Eli should have called or raised already.

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So what does the preview for next week say?

Are we getting a new lineup soon?

Sounds like this half million dollar table can't come soon enough.

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Worst episode ever. Complete trash

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IMO, I think Daniel was advertising with that hand v. Jennifer. Looking bad on TV presents some nice +EV in tournaments and cash games later on.

I mean, I know Daniel is capable of making "big calls," but there is no [censored] way any semi-capable player, let alone a high stakes player, makes this call unless he loses all reason, which maybe Daniel is capable of from time to time. I mean, unless, of course, you don't know how to put a tight opponent on a range of hands. Calling a virtual All-in with KQo on a Kd 10d 7s board is simply retarted. You put a tight player who CRs into a lead with players to act, I mean, what do YOU think her range is. It's not just QdJd. It's that, other straight/flush combos, and every other hand that crushes yours.

The poker on this show is growing increasingly absurd. Interestingly enough, the one player who shows up to PLAY a high level game every week is Jaime Gold. I have to give him credit - he's really out to make some strong analytical moves. He's making plays based on stack sizes and math, not on goofy home game tactics, which seems to be the mantra of the table. I think that his antics at the WSOP 2006 were ridiculous and I would trust that man to guard a Snickers bar let alone any sum of money, but he's at the very least, an interesting player with a strong upside.

Barry

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I mean, unless, of course, you don't know how to put a tight opponent on a range of hands. Calling a virtual All-in with KQo on a Kd 10d 7s board is simply retarted. You put a tight player who CRs into a lead with players to act, I mean, what do YOU think her range is. It's not just QdJd. It's that, other straight/flush combos, and every other hand that crushes yours.

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Do you think { Ad9d, Ad8d, Ad7d, KTs, QdJd, Jd9d, T7s, 9d8d } is a reasonable range? Because stacking off is good against that. If not, what other hands would you include?

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The poker on this show is growing increasingly absurd. Interestingly enough, the one player who shows up to PLAY a high level game every week is Jaime Gold.

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Er, lol.

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So what does the preview for next week say?

Are we getting a new lineup soon?

Sounds like this half million dollar table can't come soon enough.

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Preview for next week: Looks like the same goddamn donkeys again.

Preview shows:

- Hellmuth and Gold having some kind of bitchfight over how long Hellmuth is taking to act

- Safai donking it up with an allin, Elezra snap calling, then what looks like Safai not happy about his situation, then Elezra cringing as Safai sucks out, and Safai looking like he won but he knows hes a donkey. There's also some chance the suckout is the other way round and Elezra is cringing at his own luck.

- More Farha drivel

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Do you think { Ad9d, Ad8d, Ad7d, KTs, QdJd, Jd9d, T7s, 9d8d } is a reasonable range? Because stacking off is good against that. If not, what other hands would you include?

[/ QUOTE ]Why not include 77, KTs, some KTo and a combo of TT? Does she also push with all of these flush draws or maybe flatcall some of them (e.g., nut ones) given it could be multiway?

Edit - I actually agree with WutRUTryin2Hit (below) for the most part. Given how she's played so far her range could be {TT, 77, AK}.

Also, did anybody note how obvious the "pros" were about getting Safai to stay longer? Did Safai noticed?

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The poker on this show is growing increasingly absurd. Interestingly enough, the one player who shows up to PLAY a high level game every week is Jaime Gold. I have to give him credit - he's really out to make some strong analytical moves. He's making plays based on stack sizes and math, not on goofy home game tactics, which seems to be the mantra of the table. I think that his antics at the WSOP 2006 were ridiculous and I would trust that man to guard a Snickers bar let alone any sum of money, but he's at the very least, an interesting player with a strong upside.


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I gotta say I agree here, I really feel that Gold has potential, and you nailed it, he really seems to be the only guy trying to play good poker. I was watching this episode, and at one point I just looked at the hands on the left side of the screen and there were like 5 ppl in a raised pot with Q2s and 34o hands, and I was thinking like, why do I even watch this show? If they televised a table of newbie play money players playing live, the way hands were played would look pretty much like this lineup plays them. Bring back the first lineup from this season already, that was a great, great show. This episode was utter garbage, just unentertaining, boring stuff. I didn't think it could get any worse than watching 3 minutes of Hellmuth talking about insurance a few episodes ago, but it did.

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I mean, unless, of course, you don't know how to put a tight opponent on a range of hands. Calling a virtual All-in with KQo on a Kd 10d 7s board is simply retarted. You put a tight player who CRs into a lead with players to act, I mean, what do YOU think her range is. It's not just QdJd. It's that, other straight/flush combos, and every other hand that crushes yours.

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Do you think { Ad9d, Ad8d, Ad7d, KTs, QdJd, Jd9d, T7s, 9d8d } is a reasonable range? Because stacking off is good against that. If not, what other hands would you include?

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The poker on this show is growing increasingly absurd. Interestingly enough, the one player who shows up to PLAY a high level game every week is Jaime Gold.

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Er, lol.

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Nothing to laugh at. His plays are arguably the most intricate and well thought out this season.

You may want to put Ks7s and 77 in that range too. And K10o, where is that? No, I don't think that stacking off against that is reasonable. Your crushed or you are racing to 12 outs. It's not a tournament, you have only 8K invested so you are by no means committed.

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I mean, unless, of course, you don't know how to put a tight opponent on a range of hands. Calling a virtual All-in with KQo on a Kd 10d 7s board is simply retarted. You put a tight player who CRs into a lead with players to act, I mean, what do YOU think her range is. It's not just QdJd. It's that, other straight/flush combos, and every other hand that crushes yours.

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Do you think { Ad9d, Ad8d, Ad7d, KTs, QdJd, Jd9d, T7s, 9d8d } is a reasonable range? Because stacking off is good against that. If not, what other hands would you include?


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I don't think this is a tight enough range for a supernit who literally didn't play a single hand in the first 2 episodes. I think she may play an OESFD like this, but I think that putting her on a bare flush draw is just waaaay too loose. Raising here with a flush draw is standard in a lot of online games, but ff you think back to other episodes of HSP each season, the number of people who make big raises with flush draws is very, very small compared to people just flat-calling. Mike Whatshisname did it this episode against the donkey with A6, that's about the only one I recall offhand. These guys just don't play their hands the same way the average MSNL or HSNL player here does, I think only JQ and I guess 89s make sense there. Also you didn't include a lot of other hands that beat KQ in your range. Maybe you don't think Jenn would have flat-called preflop with a pocket pair or AK, but again, this is HSP, not a tough online game.

I agree with Barry that Daniel played this hand pretty horrible. There was like 9k or something in the pot when it got to Jenn and she was like "okay, I'm the biggest nit on this show and I wanna play a 150k pot, kay?" and he was like "I got top pair and I will put you on a hand I am coinflipping with so I can call kay?". God forbid he should fold there and she does have JQs and he's like "omg, I lost like 4k in equity by folding in this pot!".

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I think this season has been great, here is how I would rank the table participants, for this part of the show:

#1 is probably Hellmuth up to this point, he has made some great reads.

#2 is Daniel, he is likely number 1 with this lineup but Hellmuth must have just won the lottery or something because he is playing better.

#3 Jamie Gold, this was a tough because I almost put Silent Mike here but if you can bluff Eli you are doing something.

#4 Silent Mike, granted some things have gone his way and he missed some bets in the last show but he is makeing better plays than most.

#5 Jennifer Harman, I struggled with this one because you could make the argument she should be #8 but as I have had to say to my wife repeatedly, "She is getting no cards". That said she is not very good at No Limit Hold em and that is obvious. Which is a shame because by all accounts she is a titan at other games.

#6 Eli, I hate his game but people who don't think he makes this show better are off their rocker. He and Sammy make it a gambling game and generate those big pots.

#7 Bob Safai, he is there to gamble, plain and simple. Also seems like a great guy in this setting. Great addition. I wish people would be a little more transparent in the future, Phil H.'s comments to Bob were annoying. For one Phil isn't some huge hustler, he gets hustled often. If indeed Bob is the fish Phil should have just shut his mouth.

#8 Sammy Farha, Sammy is the show, when he is on he looks brilliant but he is rarely on. He is there to gamble which likely makes him a bad player but in terms of TV appeal he is quite good.

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It constantly surprises me just how stupid, or at the very least, self congratulating these guys are. Hellmuth, Negreanu and Matusow jumping around and yelling about how good their read is on a certain player. Why would you EVER tell somebody that? It's beyond dumb.

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It constantly surprises me just how stupid, or at the very least, self congratulating these guys are. Hellmuth, Negreanu and Matusow jumping around and yelling about how good their read is on a certain player. Why would you EVER tell somebody that? It's beyond dumb.

[/ QUOTE ]I think being on TV gets to them. Maybe they think their added exposure and thus marketability is more EV+ than exposing the reads?

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Not sure if this is the right place, but did the jman epside air already? If not anyone have any idea when it is?

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This show is really starting to degrade in a serious way. Next season they need to change some rules:

1. Do not allow straddles (I don't want to see 7 handed pots with a bunch of junk hands)
2. Do not allow them to run it twice (I want to see variance, make these guys gambool)
3. Do not allow side bets/insurance bets (these are just stupid and slow the game down).

Put people on that actually care about the money and are willing to play poker. I'm tired of watching Sammy and Eli call with any 2 and then chop it/run it twice, etc.

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Raven, I agree with #3 on no insurance. Of course, that problem is taken care of if they just don't invite Hellmuth back. Unlikely but that would take care of it. Hopefully, they will see that it annoys the viewers just like the props did and do away with it.

I don't really care one way or another on the running it twice.

I have to disagree on the straddles. I love when they straddle. Pushes the stakes up and get folks to play any two cards and makes it more entertaining to me.

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