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didn't he have 6 outs? 3 aces for higher pair and 3 queens to straight up

and i think the aspect of it being a bad beat is when he put the money in, if he had called preflop(still a bad call with K2) and then hit the King and pushed all -in and then got drawn out on it'd have been a worse beat, but he was so far behind when he put his money in, he was lucky to even be ahead at any point in that hand

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He never called it a bad beat, he said the poker gods had to needle him by letting him suck out on the flop only to get resucked on the river. I don't think you know anything about poker considering you said "he was so far behind when he put his money in..." k2 vs aj is far from "so" far behind.

Dear god man, think for a second before posting..

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if it had been said in a light-hearted tone, fine. But Antonio was very sincere, in my opinion. And true friends don't treat each other that way. That's was BS.

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Antonio is BEST friends with Phil and Jennifer both,... he was making an obvious friendly needle essentially saying, i am jealous of you Phil, you run so good in life. There was absolutely NOTHING genuinely mean spirited about this and I would jab my friends in the exact same way .

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the more i watch Phil Laak the more i hate him. he never shuts the f up.

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who was DN talking about who made a fool out of themselves last season?

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who was DN talking about who made a fool out of themselves last season?

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Hellmuth has to be one for sure. Doyle Brunson was not on form either in all of his appearances.

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the more i watch Phil Laak the more i hate him. he never shuts the f up.

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Haha I think it was Antonio who had a comment to him like, "Phil, do you ever shut up?"

And then Laak ponders for a little bit and goes, "Ummmm, no. No I don't."

This has been one of the most entertaining PAD shows I've seen thus far. There's been some interesting hands along with some very interesting table talk.

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I agree about it being one of the most entertaining matches to date. It even has a small Hellmuth blowup. Kind of surprised the thread isn't getting more love, doesn't even have half the posts from the week before. Would highly recommend watching it online if people haven't already done so.

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So, supposedly they put up their own money, pay for their own drinks (or at least tip) and get nothing for the TV time. Man, I want to produce this show. Easy money.....



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Yeah but its a great deal for the players too. They are getting a ton of airtime on NBC.

I dont know about Sheiky, but the 5 others benefit from the exposure. Helmuth and DN make multi-millions a year because of their fame, The Mouth and to a lesser extent Lak and Antonio also benefit.

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I agree about it being one of the most entertaining matches to date. It even has a small Hellmuth blowup. Kind of surprised the thread isn't getting more love, doesn't even have half the posts from the week before. Would highly recommend watching it online if people haven't already done so.

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I know it's like the latest craze around here but OH MY GOD I can't stand Phil Laak anymore. His CONSTANT nittery is so agonizing to watch and listen to. Sheik made a standard raise except he cut his chips out past the betting line and Phil was all over it like "CAN HE DO THAT!?" Then a few hands later he thought Antonio shorted the pot so he physically reached in and tried to count it and the dealer had to tell him to back off because he couldn't do that. Then he reached across the table to count out Antonio's chips himself. Calm the [censored] down!!!

Every time he raises it takes him about 2 minutes to do because for some freaking reason he has to verbalize counting the pot and thinking of a number. Then just now he took about 5 minutes to fold T9 to a big preflop allin and then he screamed at the dealer to rabbit hunt the entire board for the camera and threw a hissy fit when they wouldn't allow it. I seriously want to strangle the guy. Never in my life did I think I'd root for Sheikhan.

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didn't he have 6 outs? 3 aces for higher pair and 3 queens to straight up


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I'm pretty sure that there are 4 queens in a deck. So it would be 3 Aces to make a higher pair and 4 queens for a straight = 7 Outs.

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who was DN talking about who made a fool out of themselves last season?

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Hellmuth has to be one for sure. Doyle Brunson was not on form either in all of his appearances.

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I think the odds of Dan referring to Doyle there are close to zero [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Hellmuth was obviously one, yeah.
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I agree about it being one of the most entertaining matches to date. It even has a small Hellmuth blowup. Kind of surprised the thread isn't getting more love, doesn't even have half the posts from the week before. Would highly recommend watching it online if people haven't already done so.

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Agreed, this was the most entertaining week of PAD I've seen yet.

There was a lot more talk here than even on Ladies' week. I mean, I don't think it was even that close.

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I hope PAD doesn't ever invite Laak again. There is a difference between being goofy in an entertaining way, and being goofy in a way that gives other people headaches and aneurysms. Laak is firmly in the Brenes category, he makes every show he's in considerably less watchable. You know you're unlikeable when people are actually rooting for Sheikhan.

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BTW, what was up with Antonio's shove with K8 into the pot-committed Laak? Did he just throw it or something? What did he expect to beat?

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I think he read Phil as weak and thought he would fold. No other explanation I can fathom.

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What can Phil fold at those odds?

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What are the chances of Antonio chip dumping to Phil with K8 vs KQ? They were both short compared to Shawn. They are best friends. In real life I have a hard time playing against two friends at the table without being a little suspicious.

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What are the chances of Antonio chip dumping to Phil with K8 vs KQ?

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Antonio was the short stack, it was 3-handed, and he'd been a bit card dead -- and was probably steaming from his A2 vs. Sheik's trip 4s. He figured his K8 at least had live cards and was no worse than a 60-40 dog. Time to gamble.

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Laak is such a douche. I feel so sorry for the dealers when he plays. I assume he gets thrown out of the casino for the [censored] he pulls on tv.

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What are the chances of Antonio chip dumping to Phil with K8 vs KQ? They were both short compared to Shawn. They are best friends. In real life I have a hard time playing against two friends at the table without being a little suspicious.

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Chip dumping is the first thought that occurred to me. Sheiky was actually not playing weak tight for a change, and was putting his chip stack to good use. I guess that Phil+Antonio stack had more equity at that point than the two short stacks alone. Then again, I've seen Jesus or Gus call all-in with less, so we shouldn't overestimate the players.

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Laak is such a douche. I feel so sorry for the dealers when he plays. I assume he gets thrown out of the casino for the [censored] he pulls on tv.

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Yeah, that next-to-last hand was just flat out dealer abuse. Reason #142 to hate that moron.

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I can't believe no one has discussed Hellmuth's butchering his A2 hand. Why the hell didn't he just raise on the flop instead of calling $7k with bottom pair? He's trying to trap? Blah, blah, blah. That's his shtick every PAD and if he seriously thinks that's the way to win this format then he's the stupidest 11 time WSOP bracelet winner ever. What card was he really hoping to see on the turn except the obvious ones?

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I was happy to hear Shawn get on the producers after they forced the dealer to wait so long to deal the turn on the last hand.

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Hellmuth,

stop picking yourself everytime you're standing up,

ty.

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I can't believe no one has discussed Hellmuth's butchering his A2 hand. Why the hell didn't he just raise on the flop instead of calling $7k with bottom pair? He's trying to trap? Blah, blah, blah. That's his shtick every PAD and if he seriously thinks that's the way to win this format then he's the stupidest 11 time WSOP bracelet winner ever. What card was he really hoping to see on the turn except the obvious ones?

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Could someone tell me what happened in this hand?

The NBC website won't show this clip "in my area".

NM. They're showing the clip in the director's cut.

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The call for his last 11K chips of Hellmuth was pretty bad also

Antonio told him he had a medium pair before he called

So Hellmuth called anyway knowing his A4 was a big underdog

He could have just fold and wait he had still enough chips for a few hands
and shove it with a better than medium hand and in a better spot

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I can't believe no one has discussed Hellmuth's butchering his A2 hand. Why the hell didn't he just raise on the flop instead of calling $7k with bottom pair? He's trying to trap? Blah, blah, blah. That's his shtick every PAD and if he seriously thinks that's the way to win this format then he's the stupidest 11 time WSOP bracelet winner ever. What card was he really hoping to see on the turn except the obvious ones?

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Exactly. Sheiky's making the same bet on every card except an ace. It's not like Phil's calling if a King peels off.

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Notice how Laak actually seemed to talk like a human being the interviews Saturday night. "Surfing the matrixes (sic) of probabilities..." This puts in stark relief all his moronic poor-mouth tactics/antics during play, showing how disingenuous his entire public persona is.

Pretending to be stupid isn't funny or clever, especially if you're not that funny or clever to begin with.

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hellmuth definitely played that hand badly. what was he thinking, that he was trapping with bottom pair? if he had such a sick read he should have just shoved it in to protect his hand. what turn card does he want to see? then to top it all off, phil was picking his tighty whiteys out of his ass and telling shana how unlucky he got when sheiky put all his money in as a 5-1 underdog. 5-1. right. that's why you're the all time bracelet leader, philly willy.

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Before being so hard on Phil Laak's antics, you should at least consider that he and much of the table had been drinking quite a bit. Hellmuth brand energy drink plus vodka. Most people become very irritating when drunk. Laak isn't normally that over the top, and he's genuinely funny and quick witted. I'd rather watch him than the stone faced tight lipped pros.

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lol @ matusow's needle up the ass comments after he got knocked out .... had me laughing my ass off.

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I can't believe no one has discussed Hellmuth's butchering his A2 hand. Why the hell didn't he just raise on the flop instead of calling $7k with bottom pair? He's trying to trap? Blah, blah, blah. That's his shtick every PAD and if he seriously thinks that's the way to win this format then he's the stupidest 11 time WSOP bracelet winner ever. What card was he really hoping to see on the turn except the obvious ones?

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Could someone tell me what happened in this hand?

The NBC website won't show this clip "in my area".

NM. They're showing the clip in the director's cut.

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To the best of my recollection 5 players and both Hellmuth and Sheik have over the $20K with Sheik covering Hellmuth. Sheik raises PF (maybe $4200?). Hellmuth has A2 and calls. Flop is something like 862 rainbow. Sheik bets 7k. Hellmuth simply calls. Turn is a J. Sheik goes all in with his J9 and Hellmuth goes on his rant about how he was trapping, blah, blah, blah. As if the 12K or so that was in the pot wasn't enough to have taken down with a push so he has to trap. He folds. He's short stacked with about 11K.

Also, Sheik had been very aggressive since the beginning (granted he was getting hit over the head with the deck), but he hardly ever had to show.

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Not quite.

Sheikhan raised preflop to 2400 (blinds were 400/800 I think), Hellmuth called in the SB, Laak folded his BB. Flop came giving Hellmuth bottom pair and Sheikhan two over, Hellmuth lead out for like 40% pot, Sheikhan raised it 5k to 7k, Hellmuth quickly called and then check folded the turn after Sheikhan shoved.

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Before being so hard on Phil Laak's antics, you should at least consider that he and much of the table had been drinking quite a bit. Hellmuth brand energy drink plus vodka. Most people become very irritating when drunk. Laak isn't normally that over the top, and he's genuinely funny and quick witted. I'd rather watch him than the stone faced tight lipped pros.

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I couldn't disagree with you more, Laak always acts like a coke'd up 5 year old. In fact if anything he has calmed down. You haven't seen this idiot run around the table, do push-ups, shadow box, scream and yell over the last 4 years? He is seriously my least favorite player to watch. My girlfriend asked me if something was wrong with him mentally and she was dead serious. If they had told me that Laak would have made it all the way until Friday, I would have skipped this entire week, I was rooting for someone to knock him out every time he was in a hand. Heck if someone would have told that Shana drops her top and then shoots a shoulder fired missile through Helmuths head sometime before then, I still would have skipped this week.

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lol @ matusow's needle up the ass comments after he got knocked out .... had me laughing my ass off.

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Yeah, that was great.

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Hellmuth,

stop picking yourself everytime you're standing up,

ty.

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I think I've figured out the problem. Hellmuth has been eating too well and hasn't got around to buying bigger undies. As a result, they're constantly riding up his ass crack. If you look carefully, when he stands before finally busting out he's also working the front area as well.


.Z

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Before being so hard on Phil Laak's antics, you should at least consider that he and much of the table had been drinking quite a bit. Hellmuth brand energy drink plus vodka. Most people become very irritating when drunk. Laak isn't normally that over the top, and he's genuinely funny and quick witted. I'd rather watch him than the stone faced tight lipped pros.

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I couldn't disagree with you more, Laak always acts like a coke'd up 5 year old. In fact if anything he has calmed down. You haven't seen this idiot run around the table, do push-ups, shadow box, scream and yell over the last 4 years? He is seriously my least favorite player to watch. My girlfriend asked me if something was wrong with him mentally and she was dead serious. If they had told me that Laak would have made it all the way until Friday, I would have skipped this entire week, I was rooting for someone to knock him out every time he was in a hand. Heck if someone would have told that Shana drops her top and then shoots a shoulder fired misile through Helmiths head sometime before then, I still would have skipped this week.

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We can dream, can't we?

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Not quite.

Sheikhan raised preflop to 2400 (blinds were 400/800 I think), Hellmuth called in the SB, Laak folded his BB. Flop came giving Hellmuth bottom pair and Sheikhan two over, Hellmuth lead out for like 40% pot, Sheikhan raised it 5k to 7k, Hellmuth quickly called and then check folded the turn after Sheikhan shoved.

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Thanks. I had a feeling I didn't get it quite right. Hellmuth's smooth call on the post flop raise was ridiculous. He even admitted after that hand that he doesn't know how to play this format and I believe him. What I don't understand is why he doesn't get some help from his poker buddies since this is his 5th or 6th PAD. Either his ego is too big to admit it or he really is a pompous ass and has no friends who he trusts to give him good advice.

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Yeah all the talk about the A2 hand and how lucky Sheik got was ridiculous. I'm pretty sure Sheiky was going to fire most cards, not just ones that hit him, and Phil was folding most of them. Phil just seized on the fact that he got Sheiky to admit he hit the turn to cover his bad play.