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this [censored] is [censored] up. i mean, i don't understand a lot of it because this thread really doesn't say much, but so far i assume that..

a) absolute made an account that can see the hole cards of the other player (but not the cards to come on the turn and river)
b) lol

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fyp

ap's RNG: safe. ap's ability not to make superuser accounts that see everyone's hole cards: compromised

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If all this is actually true, do you see Absolute taking any steps to reimburse the victims?

A better question is do you think Absolute will ever admit to all this?

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I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that Absolute will claim they were hacked and had nothing to do with this... blah, blah, blah. They'll tell us they've locked that "user's" account and have confiscated "his" funds. Then they will make noises about reimbursements, but never get around to doing anything.

Seriously, is ANYONE surprised to hear this about Absolute?

Re: Beat: Absolute is *actually* rigged (serious) (read me)
 

This thread has exciting implications

Re: Beat: Absolute is *actually* rigged (serious) (read me)
 

Man Absolute is really bad at rigging their site. Maybe they could use the info in a less obvious spot?

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This thread has exciting implications

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This would be really [censored] for online poker.

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hey look what I found at pocket5s:

OK, SOMEONE!! Explain this call please.
by Stuman123 on 9/13/2007 00:45



HOW does he make this call?!?!?!?! Heads up in the 1K on AP....This makes no sense.




Stage #896976330 Tourney ID 1883389 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit $4500 - 2007-09-13 01:43:49 (ET)
Table: 14 (Real Money) Seat #3 is the dealer
Seat 3 - POTRIPPER ($765740 in chips)
Seat 8 - CRAZYMARCO ($214260 in chips)
POTRIPPER - Ante $450
CRAZYMARCO - Ante $450
POTRIPPER - Posts small blind $2250
CRAZYMARCO - Posts big blind $4500
*** POCKET CARDS ***
POTRIPPER - Calls $2250
CRAZYMARCO - Checks
*** FLOP *** [4h Kd Kh]
CRAZYMARCO - Checks
POTRIPPER - Bets $9000
CRAZYMARCO - Calls $9000
*** TURN *** [4h Kd Kh] [7s]
CRAZYMARCO - Checks
POTRIPPER - Bets $13500
CRAZYMARCO - All-In(Raise) $200310 to $200310
POTRIPPER - Calls $186810
*** RIVER *** [4h Kd Kh 7s] [5s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
POTRIPPER - Shows [10c 9c] (One pair, kings)
CRAZYMARCO - Shows [9h 2h] (One pair, kings)
POTRIPPER Collects $428520 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($428520)
Board [4h Kd Kh 7s 5s]
Seat 3: POTRIPPER (dealer) (small blind) won Total ($428520) HI:($428520) with One pair, kings(ten kicker) [10c 9c - B:Kh,B:Kd,P:10c,P:9c,B:7s]
Seat 8: CRAZYMARCO (big blind) HI:lost with One pair, kings [9h 2h - B:Kh,B:Kd,P:9h,B:7s,B:5s]

this name is not mentioned but I'm going to go ahead and guess it's related somehow

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So not only do they cheat, but they are really bad at it too.

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This thread has exciting implications

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This would be really [censored] for online poker.

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Could possibly be a good thing.

Re: Beat: Absolute is *actually* rigged (serious) (read me)
 

this is unreal bad.

;dfkjaskfljas

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This thread has exciting implications

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This would be really [censored] for online poker.

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Could possibly be a good thing.

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Explica por favor.

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wtf is going on?

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Re: Beat: Absolute is *actually* rigged (serious) (read me)
 

So is there actually any evidence of this? You guys seem to be taking it awful serious.

Re: Beat: Absolute is *actually* rigged (serious) (read me)
 

Can any information in the mod thread be brought back to here or the zoo? I don't understand why it was moved and hearing information instead of speculation would be really appreciated.

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this [censored] is [censored] up. i mean, i don't understand a lot of it because this thread really doesn't say much, but so far i assume that..

a) absolute made an account that can see the hole cards of the other player (but not the cards to come on the turn and river)
b) lol

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fyp

ap's RNG: safe. ap's ability not to make superuser accounts that see everyone's hole cards: compromised

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If all this is actually true, do you see Absolute taking any steps to reimburse the victims?

A better question is do you think Absolute will ever admit to all this?

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I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that Absolute will claim they were hacked and had nothing to do with this... blah, blah, blah. They'll tell us they've locked that "user's" account and have confiscated "his" funds. Then they will make noises about reimbursements, but never get around to doing anything.

Seriously, is ANYONE surprised to hear this about Absolute?

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I don't think Absolute would ever admit they were hacked or compromised in anyway. It would be so bad for their business and online poker in general.

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edit: link edited out as it now goes to the mod forum

Cliff notes: Looks like AP has a compromised 'superuser' account that can read everyone's hole cards. gg.

edit again: thread stickied, super ultra tldr cliff note hand added

Stage #896976330 Tourney ID 1883389 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit $4500 - 2007-09-13 01:43:49 (ET)
Table: 14 (Real Money) Seat #3 is the dealer
Seat 3 - POTRIPPER ($765740 in chips)
Seat 8 - CRAZYMARCO ($214260 in chips)
POTRIPPER - Ante $450
CRAZYMARCO - Ante $450
POTRIPPER - Posts small blind $2250
CRAZYMARCO - Posts big blind $4500
*** POCKET CARDS ***
POTRIPPER - Calls $2250
CRAZYMARCO - Checks
*** FLOP *** [4h Kd Kh]
CRAZYMARCO - Checks
POTRIPPER - Bets $9000
CRAZYMARCO - Calls $9000
*** TURN *** [4h Kd Kh] [7s]
CRAZYMARCO - Checks
POTRIPPER - Bets $13500
CRAZYMARCO - All-In(Raise) $200310 to $200310
POTRIPPER - Calls $186810
*** RIVER *** [4h Kd Kh 7s] [5s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
POTRIPPER - Shows [10c 9c] (One pair, kings)
CRAZYMARCO - Shows [9h 2h] (One pair, kings)
POTRIPPER Collects $428520 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($428520)
Board [4h Kd Kh 7s 5s]
Seat 3: POTRIPPER (dealer) (small blind) won Total ($428520) HI:($428520) with One pair, kings(ten kicker) [10c 9c - B:Kh,B:Kd,P:10c,P:9c,B:7s]
Seat 8: CRAZYMARCO (big blind) HI:lost with One pair, kings [9h 2h - B:Kh,B:Kd,P:9h,B:7s,B:5s]

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standard

also, coincidence that they now offer 9% interest on VIP accts?

Re: Beat: Absolute is *actually* rigged (serious) (read me)
 

Maybe it will just be bad...

I originally thought that it would be bad in the short term if this was true. But in the long term, I thought it would provide some assurance for the number of people who think online poker is rigged.

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wtf is going on?

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Ssrly, is there evidence here beyond that one HH?

Re: Beat: Absolute is *actually* rigged (serious) (read me)
 

Beat: Mods are FOS when they tell us they can't sticky a topic that isn't locked

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Beat: Mods are FOS when they tell us they can't sticky a topic that isn't locked

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we're not supposed to, but since ATF broke that rule to celebrate nath's 20K post I think I can bend it for this

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Ssrly, is there evidence here beyond that one HH?

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lots of it, read the whole thread. more will be forthcoming if/when the other thread gets moved back from the mod forum.

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LOL yeah I thought about that before.

But I agree I think we're going to need to see more than one HH per account to make sure it isn't just some drunk guy with a load of cash. I mean, are these people playing a LOT or what's up?

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is there any evidence other than a few hands? and even if someone CAN see someone elses holecards, isnt it possible that its because of a trojan and not absolute's fault?

i mean its possible hes just retarded/bad... heres a hand my friend saw today on stars where someone called a river shove with 10 high:

PokerStars Game #12067296948: Hold'em No Limit ($3/$6) - 2007/09/15 - 04:16:08 (ET)
Table 'Miriam IV' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Luckycharm84 ($190.60 in chips)
Seat 2: kjell_morten ($576 in chips)
Seat 3: floes ($600 in chips)
Seat 4: jen&jes ($578.10 in chips)
Seat 5: Raidan909 ($621 in chips)
Seat 6: hook2120 ($690.20 in chips)
kjell_morten: posts small blind $3
floes: posts big blind $6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Raidan909 [2d Jh]
jen&jes: calls $6
Raidan909: folds
hook2120: calls $6
Luckycharm84: calls $6
kjell_morten: calls $3
floes: checks
*** FLOP *** [8c 4c 4d]
kjell_morten: bets $18
floes: folds
jen&jes: calls $18
hook2120: calls $18
Luckycharm84: folds
*** TURN *** [8c 4c 4d] [3d]
kjell_morten: checks
jen&jes: checks
hook2120: checks
*** RIVER *** [8c 4c 4d 3d] [6d]
kjell_morten: checks
jen&jes: bets $154
hook2120: raises $512.20 to $666.20 and is all-in
kjell_morten: folds
jen&jes: calls $400.10 and is all-in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
hook2120: shows [6s 6h] (a full house, Sixes full of Fours)
jen&jes: mucks hand
hook2120 collected $1189.20 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1192.20 | Rake $3
Board [8c 4c 4d 3d 6d]
Seat 1: Luckycharm84 (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: kjell_morten (small blind) folded on the River
Seat 3: floes (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: jen&jes mucked [Tc 9c]
Seat 5: Raidan909 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: hook2120 showed [6s 6h] and won ($1189.20) with a full house, Sixes full of Fours

not saying that nothing is going on... but is there more evidence than just "omg look this guy called with 10 high"?

that said i think it would be wise to stay out of the high stakes games on abs until this is resolved....

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i thought everyone pressed up up down down a b start when logging in to Absolute?

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up up down down left right left right b a start is the correct code for absolute

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but it's select start if you're colluding as well, right?

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lol clever

Re: Beat: Absolute is *actually* rigged (serious) (read me)
 

Apparently this jen&jes guy is a high-stakes ABS player converted to PS (badly)

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But I agree I think we're going to need to see more than one HH per account to make sure it isn't just some drunk guy with a load of cash. I mean, are these people playing a LOT or what's up?

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there is an account running at 65/50 at HS limit with a 75% W@SD. that account coldcaps preflop from the BB then check/folds the flop on a 522 board when someone flops a full house. over, and over, and over.

oh yeah and the ten high call HU on the turn of the toughest weekly tournament ever by a guy who busted within 5 minutes in the only two other low stakes donkaments he's ever played.

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Beat: Mods are FOS when they tell us they can't sticky a topic that isn't locked

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It's not an issue of can't, it's an issue of Reds won't allow it.

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is there any evidence other than a few hands? and even if someone CAN see someone elses holecards, isnt it possible that its because of a trojan and not absolute's fault?

i mean its possible hes just retarded/bad... heres a hand my friend saw today on stars where someone called a river shove with 10 high:

PokerStars Game #12067296948: Hold'em No Limit ($3/$6) - 2007/09/15 - 04:16:08 (ET)
Table 'Miriam IV' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Luckycharm84 ($190.60 in chips)
Seat 2: kjell_morten ($576 in chips)
Seat 3: floes ($600 in chips)
Seat 4: jen&jes ($578.10 in chips)
Seat 5: Raidan909 ($621 in chips)
Seat 6: hook2120 ($690.20 in chips)
kjell_morten: posts small blind $3
floes: posts big blind $6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Raidan909 [2d Jh]
jen&jes: calls $6
Raidan909: folds
hook2120: calls $6
Luckycharm84: calls $6
kjell_morten: calls $3
floes: checks
*** FLOP *** [8c 4c 4d]
kjell_morten: bets $18
floes: folds
jen&jes: calls $18
hook2120: calls $18
Luckycharm84: folds
*** TURN *** [8c 4c 4d] [3d]
kjell_morten: checks
jen&jes: checks
hook2120: checks
*** RIVER *** [8c 4c 4d 3d] [6d]
kjell_morten: checks
jen&jes: bets $154
hook2120: raises $512.20 to $666.20 and is all-in
kjell_morten: folds
jen&jes: calls $400.10 and is all-in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
hook2120: shows [6s 6h] (a full house, Sixes full of Fours)
jen&jes: mucks hand
hook2120 collected $1189.20 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1192.20 | Rake $3
Board [8c 4c 4d 3d 6d]
Seat 1: Luckycharm84 (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: kjell_morten (small blind) folded on the River
Seat 3: floes (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: jen&jes mucked [Tc 9c]
Seat 5: Raidan909 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: hook2120 showed [6s 6h] and won ($1189.20) with a full house, Sixes full of Fours

not saying that nothing is going on... but is there more evidence than just "omg look this guy called with 10 high"?

that said i think it would be wise to stay out of the high stakes games on abs until this is resolved....

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is this an elaborate level, or do you not understand that the cheating is on absolute, and when they make redic calls w/ T high, it's because they WIN the hand?

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oh yeah and the ten high call HU on the turn of the toughest weekly tournament ever by a guy who busted within 5 minutes in the only two other low stakes donkaments he's ever played.

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Maybe that's why he busted in 5 minutes! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Re: Beat: Absolute is *actually* rigged (serious) (read me)
 

More damning evidence:

ABSOLUTE GAME #7469740355: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($5/$10) - 2006/12/16 - 15:19:51 (ET)
Table 'Peneleos' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 4: Dalmations ($597 in chips)
Seat 5: Lukieplaya ($4614 in chips)
Seat 6: gambler2k4 ($995 in chips)
Lukieplaya: posts small blind $5
gambler2k4: posts big blind $10
__2cb__: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Lukieplaya [4d As]
Dalmations: folds
Lukieplaya: raises $30 to $40
gambler2k4: raises $100 to $140
Longhorne joins the table at seat #2
Lukieplaya: raises $4474 to $4614 and is all-in
gambler2k4: calls $855 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [8h 2d 3h]
*** TURN *** [8h 2d 3h] [6d]
*** RIVER *** [8h 2d 3h 6d] [2h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Lukieplaya: shows [4d As] (a pair of Deuces)
gambler2k4: mucks hand
Lukieplaya collected $1989 from pot

Re: Beat: Absolute is *actually* rigged (serious) (read me)
 

Well, Keikiwai, if the dude that won that hand on Stars just now didn't have 66 but, instead, 97o, would you be suspicious?

Re: Beat: Absolute is *actually* rigged (serious) (read me)
 

i was amazed at how many people are getting leveled big time in this thread...

...til i found out that you seem legitimately concerned with decent evidence.

So unless this is a huuuuge joke, WOW.

Re: Beat: Absolute is *actually* rigged (serious) (read me)
 

i think he's saying that crazy calls always happen. if the stars person won the hand with T high, would they be cheating?

I wonder if Jen or Jes made that call...

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is this an elaborate level, or do you not understand that the cheating is on absolute, and when they make redic calls w/ T high, it's because they WIN the hand?

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my point is that people sometimes DO call with 10 high and a very small % of the time they are going to be right. this is why you can't look at one hh and say "omg he can see peoples cards"

but it looks like theres actually a lot more evidence so.. yeah wow.

Re: Beat: Absolute is *actually* rigged (serious) (read me)
 

For those of us that didn't see the original - are we going to just be left hanging for an unknown amount of time and left to trust gild that a poker site is rigged until then?

(p.s. they should have just had one of these accounts win a bbj or two)

Re: Beat: Absolute is *actually* rigged (serious) (read me)
 

adanthar would not be making [censored] up

the fact that theres a 65/50 limit player with a 75% W$SD is the most damning, as that is literally improbable to the tune of finding a needle in the sahara.

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Wtf? If this type of account actually exists I really think people playing these levels should be allowed to discuss it. Why move it to the mod forum?

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But I agree I think we're going to need to see more than one HH per account to make sure it isn't just some drunk guy with a load of cash. I mean, are these people playing a LOT or what's up?

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there is an account running at 65/50 at HS limit with a 75% W@SD. that account coldcaps preflop from the BB then check/folds the flop on a 522 board when someone flops a full house. over, and over, and over.

oh yeah and the ten high call HU on the turn of the toughest weekly tournament ever by a guy who busted within 5 minutes in the only two other low stakes donkaments he's ever played.

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What kind of sample size are we looking at?

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adanthar would not be making [censored] up

the fact that theres a 65/50 limit player with a 75% W$SD is the most damning, as that is literally improbable to the tune of finding a needle in the sahara.

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i'm pretty sure i could find at least one if not more needles in the sahara

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is this an elaborate level, or do you not understand that the cheating is on absolute, and when they make redic calls w/ T high, it's because they WIN the hand?

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my point is that people sometimes DO call with 10 high and a very small % of the time they are going to be right. this is why you can't look at one hh and say "omg he can see peoples cards"

but it looks like theres actually a lot more evidence so.. yeah wow.

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Re: Beat: Absolute is *actually* rigged (serious) (read me)
 

i don't understand why you're all so sure this is some "superuser" account on ABS and not people getting trojaned? how can you tell?

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That tournament hand makes it more unlikely that it's due to a virus since you can't really hunt someone down you happen to have infected in a donkament.

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i don't understand why you're all so sure this is some "superuser" account on ABS and not people getting trojaned? how can you tell?

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there are lots of people involved, all of whom have the same suspicions, and the superuser info came from dan druff, a well connected limit pro.

check out the river AF on this baby:
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/491/graycatrb9.jpg

Re: Beat: Absolute is *actually* rigged (serious) (read me)
 

ok so maybe there's a flaw in the abs software and anyone can do this? much more likely than some "superuser" account(s apprently?) that fell into tthe wrong hands