Re: ***September Low-Content Thread***
 

Given how hard it is to move money around now, how much do you limit players keep on each site for 6-max? 100 BBs? I'm not a crazy LAG (yet), so my variance isn't too bad.

Re: ***September Low-Content Thread***
 

[ QUOTE ]
Assani Fisher -

care to share back story on "ICY POTS"

i just think its retarded whenever i see it in the chat box but figured i should at least ask what the story is

[/ QUOTE ]

the story takes place in modern-day Antartica... and it begins with a traditionally dressed Inuit nestled in his igloo alongside his favorite ceramic vase...

Re: ***September Low-Content Thread***
 

not a good day so far...

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/e...r006/91307.jpg

Re: ***September Low-Content Thread***
 

Wrong pole, Dave. Antarctica has penguins, not Inuits.

Buzz

Re: ***September Low-Content Thread***
 

Predator - Ouch! That would sting.

Happened to me Tuesday, but since I play at lower limits (and limit O8 rather than pot-limit O8), not to the tune of seven grand.

Buzz

Re: ***September Low-Content Thread***
 

$5k pot was my QQ43 vs A37T on a board of....AQ9 T A

Re: ***September Low-Content Thread***
 

BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

$400 PLO8 ($2/$4 blinds) 5 handed (Bodog)

Hero: $530.59
Fisshyssois #1: $408.50
Fisshyssois #2: $504.50


Hero is SB, dealt 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Fisshyssois #1 calls
Another call
Fisshyssois #2 calls
Hero completes
BB checks

Flop Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Hero bets $20 (pot)
BB folds
Fish #1 calls $20
Fold
Fish #2 raises to $100
Hero raises to $320
Fish #1 all in $384.50
Fish #2 all in $400.50
Hero calls another $160.50

Turn 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
River 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Hero shows 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Fish #1 shows J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 10[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Fish #2 shows K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 10[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Hero wins $1449.60 (net $919.01).

Re: ***September Low-Content Thread***
 

[ QUOTE ]
Wrong pole, Dave. Antarctica has penguins, not Inuits.

Buzz

[/ QUOTE ]

i was adhering to my creative author's license for this one.

Re: ***September Low-Content Thread***
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Assani Fisher -

care to share back story on "ICY POTS"

i just think its retarded whenever i see it in the chat box but figured i should at least ask what the story is

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah, your avatar on here puts me on tilt a little bit because I have no idea what it means.

[/ QUOTE ]

I think you could have really tried harder on your reply

"ICY POTS" has nothing to do with 2+2 or fact it is listed under his name, it has to do with the frequecy he says it inthe chat window on FTP, after you see something a couple hundred times, you get curious

Re: ***September Low-Content Thread***
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Assani Fisher -

care to share back story on "ICY POTS"

i just think its retarded whenever i see it in the chat box but figured i should at least ask what the story is

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah, your avatar on here puts me on tilt a little bit because I have no idea what it means.

[/ QUOTE ]

I think you could have really tried harder on your reply

"ICY POTS" has nothing to do with 2+2 or fact it is listed under his name, it has to do with the frequecy he says it inthe chat window on FTP, after you see something a couple hundred times, you get curious

[/ QUOTE ]

What the hell does that mean? Tried harder to ________?

And I've noticed that it was his location in his posts, and he always some kind of weird avatar related to icypots.

So my for not being in your midstakes PL08 click.

Re: ***September Low-Content Thread***
 

[ QUOTE ]
BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

$400 PLO8 ($2/$4 blinds) 5 handed (Bodog)

Hero: $530.59
Fisshyssois #1: $408.50
Fisshyssois #2: $504.50


Hero is SB, dealt 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Fisshyssois #1 calls
Another call
Fisshyssois #2 calls
Hero completes
BB checks

Flop Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Hero bets $20 (pot)
BB folds
Fish #1 calls $20
Fold
Fish #2 raises to $100
Hero raises to $320
Fish #1 all in $384.50
Fish #2 all in $400.50
Hero calls another $160.50

Turn 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
River 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Hero shows 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Fish #1 shows J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 10[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Fish #2 shows K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 10[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Hero wins $1449.60 (net $919.01).

[/ QUOTE ]

why is it that if this is me my opp has 99 there everytime

Re: ***September Low-Content Thread***
 

Ahh...I had wondered why this month went so soooo [censored], maybe this helps to explain just a little bit why:

Hello,

PokerStars has become aware of two players who were working together in our Sit & Go tournaments to the detriment of other players. You were involved in at least one tournament with these players and as a result you may have been adversely affected.

Re: ***September Low-Content Thread***
 

I think this month has been all about finding out how much equity I can have and still lose. NLO8 allin preflop against a fish who I knew would call.

cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV
As Qs 4s Ac 387864 387864 110651 1485 220133 0 0 0.811
Kd Qd 4d 4h 76616 110651 387864 1485 0 0 0 0.189

Re: ***September Low-Content Thread***
 

Just played the best 3 handed LO8 sesh everrrr..

http://www.fourthnut.com/temp/2550sesh.jpg

Re: ***September Low-Content Thread***
 

Seriously, how much do I have to take before I feel I have some bad mojo or voodoo curse. Ive been cheated this month, [censored] on by variance as usual, and to top it off in the limit game Im playing I just went 65 hands with not a single win, I got 1 chop in a 5bb pot, and when I finally get a hand and raise it preflop I flop the wheel, only to have Pokerstars disconnect me on a no all-in protection table. Seriously now...

Re: ***September Low-Content Thread***
 

well at least I can still build up 1000BB stacks at.... .01/.02

Re: ***September Low-Content Thread***
 

I believe Assani calls this "running bad":

$5/$10 PLO8 3 players, stacks full $1000

Dealt to hero (button) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Hero raises pot
SB folds
BB (maniac) calls

Flop 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

BB bets pot
Hero raises pot
BB calls

Turn 10[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

BB checks
Hero bets pot
BB calls

River 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

BB checks
Hero throws his remaining $300 thinking that his AQ might still be good and hoping for a fold
BB calls

and shows

A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

-------------------

$1/$2 PLO8 9 players, stacks full $200

dealt to Hero (Button) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

a couple of limpers, hero raises to $11, one call from CO

Flop 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

CO checks
Hero bets pot
CO calls

Turn 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

CO checks
Hero bets pot
CO calls

River J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

CO checks
Hero bets pot
CO calls with his last $30 or thereabouts

and shows

A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 10[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 10[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Re: ***September Low-Content Thread***
 

1st hand of a new session, no way could middle set + low draw + flush draw scoop or take 3/4.

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Hi/Lo Ring game
Blinds: $3/$6
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $206
UTG+1: $334
hero: $600
Button: $775.50
SB: $171.65
BB: $457.40

Pre-flop: (6 players) hero is CO with 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $27</font>, UTG+1 folds, hero calls, Button calls, 2 folds.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($90, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">UTG bets $90</font>, <font color="#cc0000">hero raises to $360</font>, Button folds, <font color="#cc0000">UTG calls all-in $89</font>.
Uncalled bets: $181 returned to hero.

Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($448, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $448)


River: 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($448, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $448)


Results:
Final pot: $448
<font color="#ffffff">UTG showed 4c 2d Ac Kd</font>
<font color="#ffffff">hero showed 2h Ah 7s 7h</font>

Re: ***September Low-Content Thread***
 

Grr why does the o8 wcoop start so friggin early? Just realized it starts at 3 and I won't be home till like 3:45. I guess I could still show up late with the 30 min. levels just have a hard time regging for a tourney i'm gonna be starting with 1/6 less than start stack.

Re: ***September Low-Content Thread***
 

3 way all-in and unimproved pair of 7's take it down!

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Omaha Hi/Lo Ring game
Blinds: $5/$10
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $710
UTG+1: $297.50
MP1: $257.40
MP2: $733.75
MP3: $550
CO: $310.50
Button: $404.50
hero: $2032.70
BB: $188.50

Pre-flop: (9 players) hero is SB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">MP1 raises to $35</font>, 3 folds, Button calls, hero calls, BB calls.

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($140, 4 players)
hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">BB is all-in $153.5</font>, <font color="#cc0000">MP1 raises all-in $222.4</font>, Button folds, hero calls.

Turn: T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($738.3, 1 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $600.5, Sidepot 1: $137.8)


River: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($738.3, 1 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $600.5, Sidepot 1: $137.8)


Results:
Final pot: $738.3
<font color="#ffffff">hero showed 5c 5s 7s 7c</font>
<font color="#ffffff">BB showed 2c 3s 6c 5h</font>
<font color="#ffffff">MP1 showed As 3h 4c 7d</font>

Re: ***September Low-Content Thread***
 

[censored] September and [censored] Pokerstars!!!!!!!!


I just continuously run so goddamn good on this site.

Top 4 get seats. 5-11 get FPPs back. I'm 2/27 in chips when this happens. Also, suck a dick converter.


PokerStars Game #12142184678: Tournament #61149712, 2000FPP Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2007/09/19 - 02:36:52 (ET)
Table '61149712 6' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: casino0606 (5919 in chips)
Seat 2: igotskillz (1541 in chips)
Seat 3: flaVius (4536 in chips)
Seat 4: 1xpro (1456 in chips)
Seat 5: Boone25 (541 in chips)
Seat 8: mrgenius (2310 in chips)
Seat 9: Johnnyj580 (6389 in chips)
Boone25: posts small blind 75
mrgenius: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Johnnyj580 [5h 3c Ad Kh]
Johnnyj580: raises 300 to 450
casino0606: folds
igotskillz: folds
flaVius: folds
1xpro: folds
Boone25: folds
mrgenius: calls 300
*** FLOP *** [3d Ks Th]
mrgenius: checks
Johnnyj580: bets 750
mrgenius: raises 1110 to 1860 and is all-in
Johnnyj580: calls 1110
*** TURN *** [3d Ks Th] [4c]
*** RIVER *** [3d Ks Th 4c] [5c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
mrgenius: shows [Tc 3h Ac 2d] (HI: a straight, Ace to Five; LO: 5,4,3,2,A)
Johnnyj580: shows [5h 3c Ad Kh] (HI: two pair, Kings and Fives)
mrgenius collected 2348 from pot
mrgenius collected 2347 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4695 | Rake 0
Board [3d Ks Th 4c 5c]
Seat 1: casino0606 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: igotskillz folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: flaVius folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: 1xpro (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Boone25 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: mrgenius (big blind) showed [Tc 3h Ac 2d] and won (4695) with HI: a straight, Ace to Five; LO: 5,4,3,2,A
Seat 9: Johnnyj580 showed [5h 3c Ad Kh] and lost with HI: two pair, Kings and Fives

Re: ***September Low-Content Thread***
 

And here are the evenings gems:

Yes, clearly I was steaming when I decided to play half this trash preflop. Would be amazing if they wouldnt get there once in a while.

Hand 1: Nice flop call
POKERSTARS GAME #12141765773: OMAHA HI/LO LIMIT ($2/$4) - 2007/09/19 - 01:48:55 (ET)
Table 'Zomba' 10-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Hussell ($198 in chips)
Seat 2: 2250 ($243.50 in chips)
Seat 3: Johnnyj580 ($101.50 in chips)
Seat 4: Slapshot ($48 in chips)
Seat 5: igotskillz ($59 in chips)
Seat 6: synedm ($87 in chips)
Seat 8: tiesthatbind ($178.50 in chips)
Seat 9: PURPLE77 ($76 in chips)
Seat 10: Bloomer ($186.50 in chips)
Slapshot: posts small blind $1
igotskillz: posts big blind $2
levin_money: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Johnnyj580 [9d 2c 5h 9s]
synedm said, "ha hah ha"
synedm: folds
tiesthatbind: folds
PURPLE77: folds
Bloomer: folds
Hussell: folds
2250: calls $2
Johnnyj580: calls $2
Slapshot: calls $1
igotskillz: checks
*** FLOP *** [9c Qc As]
Slapshot: checks
igotskillz: checks
2250: checks
Johnnyj580: bets $2
Slapshot: calls $2
igotskillz: folds
2250: calls $2
*** TURN *** [9c Qc As] [5d]
Slapshot: checks
2250: checks
Johnnyj580: bets $4
Slapshot: calls $4
2250: calls $4
*** RIVER *** [9c Qc As 5d] [4h]
Slapshot: checks
2250: bets $4
Johnnyj580: calls $4
Slapshot: folds
*** SHOW DOWN ***
2250: shows [Qs 3s 4s 2s] (HI: a straight, Ace to Five; LO: 5,4,3,2,A)
Johnnyj580: mucks hand
2250 collected $16.50 from pot
2250 collected $16.50 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $34 | Rake $1
Board [9c Qc As 5d 4h]
Seat 1: Hussell folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: 2250 showed [Qs 3s 4s 2s] and won ($33) with HI: a straight, Ace to Five; LO: 5,4,3,2,A
Seat 3: Johnnyj580 (button) mucked [9d 2c 5h 9s]
Seat 4: Slapshot (small blind) folded on the River
Seat 5: igotskillz (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: synedm folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: tiesthatbind folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: PURPLE77 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 10: Bloomer folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Hand 2: The spade would've cost me 0 bets on the riv
POKERSTARS GAME #12141577833: OMAHA HI/LO LIMIT ($2/$4) - 2007/09/19 - 01:30:33 (ET)
Table 'Zomba' 10-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Hussell ($201 in chips)
Seat 2: 2250 ($241 in chips)
Seat 3: Johnnyj580 ($144.50 in chips)
Seat 4: Slapshot ($56 in chips)
Seat 5: igotskillz ($47 in chips)
Seat 6: synedm ($68.50 in chips)
Seat 8: tiesthatbind ($129 in chips)
Seat 9: PURPLE77 ($77.50 in chips)
Seat 10: Bloomer ($183.50 in chips)
Johnnyj580: posts small blind $1
Slapshot: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Johnnyj580 [Qc Qd 7c Kc]
igotskillz: folds
synedm: calls $2
tiesthatbind: calls $2
PURPLE77: folds
Bloomer: folds
Hussell: calls $2
2250: folds
Johnnyj580: calls $1
Slapshot: checks
*** FLOP *** [6s Ks Qh]
Johnnyj580: bets $2
Slapshot: raises $2 to $4
synedm: folds
tiesthatbind: calls $4
Hussell: folds
Johnnyj580: calls $2
*** TURN *** [6s Ks Qh] [Jh]
Johnnyj580: checks
Slapshot: bets $4
tiesthatbind: calls $4
Johnnyj580: calls $4
*** RIVER *** [6s Ks Qh Jh] [Jc]
Johnnyj580: bets $4
Slapshot: folds
tiesthatbind: raises $4 to $8
Johnnyj580: raises $4 to $12
tiesthatbind: raises $4 to $16
Betting is capped
Johnnyj580: calls $4
*** SHOW DOWN ***
tiesthatbind: shows [9s Qs Jd Js] (HI: four of a kind, Jacks)
Johnnyj580: mucks hand
tiesthatbind collected $64 from pot
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $66 | Rake $2
Board [6s Ks Qh Jh Jc]
Seat 1: Hussell folded on the Flop
Seat 2: 2250 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Johnnyj580 (small blind) mucked [Qc Qd 7c Kc]
Seat 4: Slapshot (big blind) folded on the River
Seat 5: igotskillz folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: synedm folded on the Flop
Seat 8: tiesthatbind showed [9s Qs Jd Js] and won ($64) with HI: four of a kind, Jacks
Seat 9: PURPLE77 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 10: Bloomer folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Re: ***September Low-Content Thread***
 

Hand 3: More gay. WOW, what are you playing preflop calling a raise?????

POKERSTARS GAME #12142074444: OMAHA HI/LO LIMIT ($2/$4) - 2007/09/19 - 02:23:00 (ET)
Table 'Bellona III' 10-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Johnnyj580 ($128 in chips)
Seat 2: whozzie ($183.50 in chips)
Seat 3: KindaFishy ($41 in chips)
Seat 4: Fishlake ($60.50 in chips)
Seat 5: igthisone ($5 in chips)
Seat 6: Bloomer ($185 in chips)
Seat 7: tiesthatbind ($115 in chips)
Seat 8: synedm ($22 in chips)
Seat 9: porky ($77 in chips)
Seat 10: DiamondJack ($63 in chips)
tiesthatbind: posts small blind $1
synedm: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Johnnyj580 [Ah Ac 9c 7h]
porky: folds
DiamondJack: folds
Johnnyj580: raises $2 to $4
whozzie: calls $4
KindaFishy: folds
Fishlake: folds
igthisone: folds
igthisone leaves the table
Bloomer: folds
tiesthatbind: folds
synedm: calls $2
*** FLOP *** [3h 8c Td]
synedm: checks
Johnnyj580: bets $2
whozzie: calls $2
synedm: calls $2
*** TURN *** [3h 8c Td] [3d]
synedm: checks
Johnnyj580: bets $4
msEvsiNdreAd joins the table at seat #5
whozzie: calls $4
synedm: folds
*** RIVER *** [3h 8c Td 3d] [Ad]
Johnnyj580: bets $4
whozzie: raises $4 to $8
Johnnyj580: raises $4 to $12
whozzie: raises $4 to $16
Betting is capped
Johnnyj580: calls $4
*** SHOW DOWN ***
whozzie: shows [Kd 3s 3c Qs] (HI: four of a kind, Threes)
Johnnyj580: mucks hand
whozzie collected $57 from pot
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $59 | Rake $2
Board [3h 8c Td 3d Ad]
Seat 1: Johnnyj580 mucked [Ah Ac 9c 7h]
Seat 2: whozzie showed [Kd 3s 3c Qs] and won ($57) with HI: four of a kind, Threes
Seat 3: KindaFishy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Fishlake folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: igthisone folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Bloomer (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: tiesthatbind (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: synedm (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 9: porky folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 10: DiamondJack folded before Flop (didn't bet)


Hand 4: Standard, but still annoying. Not sure what Im doing calling this riv

POKERSTARS GAME #12141556826: OMAHA HI/LO LIMIT ($2/$4) - 2007/09/19 - 01:28:34 (ET)
Table 'Ostara' 10-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: FLIPTOGOOD ($61 in chips)
Seat 2: LordRex94 ($74.50 in chips)
Seat 3: mikedrift ($131 in chips)
Seat 4: Johnnyj580 ($108 in chips)
Seat 5: thirdperson ($58 in chips)
Seat 6: manji ($64.50 in chips)
Seat 7: Hussell ($218.50 in chips)
Seat 8: igthisone ($51 in chips)
Seat 9: tiesthatbind ($97 in chips)
Seat 10: Naomi5 ($74 in chips)
LordRex94: posts small blind $1
mikedrift: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Johnnyj580 [8s 3h Tc Ac]
Johnnyj580: calls $2
thirdperson: folds
manji: folds
Hussell: folds
igthisone: folds
tiesthatbind: folds
Naomi5: folds
FLIPTOGOOD: raises $2 to $4
LordRex94: calls $3
mikedrift: calls $2
Johnnyj580: calls $2
*** FLOP *** [Ks 8d Ts]
LordRex94: checks
mikedrift: checks
Johnnyj580: bets $2
FLIPTOGOOD: calls $2
LordRex94: calls $2
mikedrift: calls $2
*** TURN *** [Ks 8d Ts] [Ad]
LordRex94: checks
mikedrift: checks
Johnnyj580: checks
FLIPTOGOOD: bets $4
LordRex94: calls $4
mikedrift: folds
Johnnyj580: calls $4
*** RIVER *** [Ks 8d Ts Ad] [2s]
LordRex94: checks
Johnnyj580: checks
FLIPTOGOOD: bets $4
LordRex94: calls $4
Johnnyj580: calls $4
*** SHOW DOWN ***
FLIPTOGOOD: shows [Ah 4c 3d As] (HI: three of a kind, Aces; LO: 8,4,3,2,A)
LordRex94: mucks hand
Johnnyj580: mucks hand
FLIPTOGOOD collected $23 from pot
FLIPTOGOOD collected $23 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $48 | Rake $2
Board [Ks 8d Ts Ad 2s]
Seat 1: FLIPTOGOOD (button) showed [Ah 4c 3d As] and won ($46) with HI: three of a kind, Aces; LO: 8,4,3,2,A
Seat 2: LordRex94 (small blind) mucked [Kh 6d 4d Qc]
Seat 3: mikedrift (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 4: Johnnyj580 mucked [8s 3h Tc Ac]
Seat 5: thirdperson folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: manji folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Hussell folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: igthisone folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: tiesthatbind folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 10: Naomi5 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Hand 5: Par for the course tonight. Note: this 4-handed table is retardedly loose AND terrible. I have no problem playing this hand preflop from the SB vs. these opponents

POKERSTARS GAME #12141177471: OMAHA HI/LO LIMIT ($2/$4) - 2007/09/19 - 00:56:03 (ET)
Table 'Hermentaria' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 2: Gohabsgogogo ($80 in chips)
Seat 3: seek42 ($148.50 in chips)
Seat 4: sharkla ($115.50 in chips)
Seat 5: Johnnyj580 ($120.50 in chips)
Johnnyj580: posts small blind $1
Gohabsgogogo: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Johnnyj580 [Td Qd 6s 3s]
seek42: raises $2 to $4
sharkla: calls $4
Johnnyj580: calls $3
Gohabsgogogo: calls $2
*** FLOP *** [6d 7h Qs]
Johnnyj580: checks
Paco_Assad joins the table at seat #6
Gohabsgogogo: checks
seek42: checks
sharkla: checks
*** TURN *** [6d 7h Qs] [6h]
Johnnyj580: bets $4
Gohabsgogogo: calls $4
seek42: calls $4
sharkla: calls $4
*** RIVER *** [6d 7h Qs 6h] [8d]
Johnnyj580: bets $4
Gohabsgogogo: raises $4 to $8
seek42: folds
sharkla: folds
Johnnyj580: calls $4
tooshaap joins the table at seat #1
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Gohabsgogogo: shows [8c 9c 8s 5s] (HI: a full house, Eights full of Sixes)
Johnnyj580: mucks hand
Gohabsgogogo collected $46 from pot
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $48 | Rake $2
Board [6d 7h Qs 6h 8d]
Seat 2: Gohabsgogogo (big blind) showed [8c 9c 8s 5s] and won ($46) with HI: a full house, Eights full of Sixes
Seat 3: seek42 folded on the River
Seat 4: sharkla (button) folded on the River
Seat 5: Johnnyj580 (small blind) mucked [Td Qd 6s 3s]

Hand 6: I hope Stars burns in hell
POKERSTARS GAME #12141361063: OMAHA HI/LO LIMIT ($2/$4) - 2007/09/19 - 01:11:05 (ET)
Table 'Bellona III' 10-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Johnnyj580 ($94 in chips)
Seat 2: levin_money ($95 in chips)
Seat 3: LIBBYLAVELLE ($181.50 in chips)
Seat 4: pick on me ($174 in chips)
Seat 5: igthisone ($78 in chips)
Seat 7: tiesthatbind ($105.50 in chips)
Seat 10: DiamondJack ($79.50 in chips)
igthisone: posts small blind $1
tiesthatbind: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Johnnyj580 [Td Qd 2c 3c]
LordRex94 has returned
DiamondJack: folds
Johnnyj580: calls $2
levin_money: folds
LIBBYLAVELLE: folds
pick on me: calls $2
igthisone: folds
tiesthatbind: checks
*** FLOP *** [9d Qh 2d]
tiesthatbind: checks
Johnnyj580: bets $2
pick on me: calls $2
tiesthatbind: folds
*** TURN *** [9d Qh 2d] [Qc]
Johnnyj580: checks
pick on me: bets $4
Johnnyj580: raises $4 to $8
pick on me: calls $4
*** RIVER *** [9d Qh 2d Qc] [Kd]
Johnnyj580: bets $4
pick on me: raises $4 to $8
Johnnyj580: calls $4
*** SHOW DOWN ***
pick on me: shows [Kh Ts Ks 8s] (HI: a full house, Kings full of Queens)
Johnnyj580: mucks hand
pick on me collected $41 from pot
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $43 | Rake $2
Board [9d Qh 2d Qc Kd]
Seat 1: Johnnyj580 mucked [Td Qd 2c 3c]
Seat 2: levin_money folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: LIBBYLAVELLE folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: pick on me (button) showed [Kh Ts Ks 8s] and won ($41) with HI: a full house, Kings full of Queens
Seat 5: igthisone (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: tiesthatbind (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 10: DiamondJack folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Re: ***September Low-Content Thread***
 

That's a nasty run of beats. It reminds me of why I don't like limit - I always feel like I can't bet enough to force people to stop chasing their thin draws (like Mr. KK in the last hand on your list). The variance is murder, too.

Re: ***September Low-Content Thread***
 

Gobias, maybe it is simpler and cheaper to take a rubber mallet and repeatedly bang yourself on the forehead?

Minor SNG heater
 

If it were sustainable, I'd quit my job tomorrow:

Sharkscope shows...

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/2...kscope2ou6.png

Re: ***September Low-Content Thread***
 

[ QUOTE ]
Gobias, maybe it is simpler and cheaper to take a rubber mallet and repeatedly bang yourself on the forehead?

[/ QUOTE ]


Funny you say that, b/c at one point in the evening, I DID hit myself over the head w/ my keyboard. It hurt. Not only in the sense of amount of pain, but also in realization of just how stupid a thing it was to do.

Re: ***September Low-Content Thread***
 

WOW these games are profitable when you're not running like complete and utter garbage.

But unfortunately on FaggotStars this is just how it goes for me over and over and over. Yes, Ive dumped more than my fair share via my "D" game today, but its impossible not to steam when you run into hands like this once every other orbit.

PokerStars Game #12148164714: Omaha Hi/Lo Limit ($2/$4) - 2007/09/19 - 13:37:52 (ET)
Table 'Lesath' 10-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: azprincess ($47.50 in chips)
Seat 2: foowongdo ($70 in chips)
Seat 4: Ewic Dawed ($42 in chips)
Seat 7: Johnnyj580 ($62 in chips)
Seat 8: tojo43 ($69 in chips)
Seat 9: romasffm ($123.50 in chips)
Seat 10: AliasM ($87 in chips)
Saigyo will be allowed to play after the button
Johnnyj580: posts small blind $1
tojo43: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Johnnyj580 [Kd 3h Js 5d]
romasffm: folds
AliasM: folds
azprincess: folds
foowongdo: calls $2
Ewic Dawed: calls $2
Johnnyj580: calls $1
tojo43: checks
*** FLOP *** [9s Jd 3d]
Johnnyj580: bets $2
tojo43: folds
foowongdo: calls $2
Ewic Dawed: folds
*** TURN *** [9s Jd 3d] [2s]
Johnnyj580: bets $4
foowongdo: calls $4
*** RIVER *** [9s Jd 3d 2s] [4c]
Johnnyj580: checks
foowongdo: bets $4
Johnnyj580: calls $4
*** SHOW DOWN ***
foowongdo: shows [4s 4d Kh Kc] (HI: three of a kind, Fours)
Johnnyj580: mucks hand
foowongdo collected $27 from pot
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $28 | Rake $1
Board [9s Jd 3d 2s 4c]
Seat 1: azprincess folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: foowongdo showed [4s 4d Kh Kc] and won ($27) with HI: three of a kind, Fours
Seat 4: Ewic Dawed (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 7: Johnnyj580 (small blind) mucked [Kd 3h Js 5d]
Seat 8: tojo43 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 9: romasffm folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 10: AliasM folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Re: ***September Low-Content Thread***
 

So Im playing the world's worst PLO8 player and somehow find a way to lose. Seriously, be me for a day . . . you will hate poker.

Hand 1: Im not folding this to him for any amount knowing he will push less than the nuts here. You really are amazing Stars. 3 out gutter w/ me able to lock

PokerStars Game #12152383581: Tournament #61670106, $22+$1 Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit - Match Round I, Level I (5/10) - 2007/09/19 - 17:39:47 (ET)
Table '61670106 1' 2-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: georgiagamer (1238 in chips)
Seat 2: Johnnyj580 (1762 in chips)
Johnnyj580: posts small blind 5
georgiagamer: posts big blind 10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Johnnyj580 [Ah 2h 3s 2s]
Johnnyj580: raises 20 to 30
georgiagamer: raises 50 to 80
Johnnyj580: calls 50
*** FLOP *** [Th 2c Jh]
georgiagamer: checks
Johnnyj580: bets 160
georgiagamer: calls 160
*** TURN *** [Th 2c Jh] [Qs]
georgiagamer: bets 480
Johnnyj580: raises 480 to 960
georgiagamer: raises 38 to 998 and is all-in
Johnnyj580: calls 38
*** RIVER *** [Th 2c Jh Qs] [7d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
georgiagamer: shows [Kd 3c 8c Ad] (HI: a straight, Ten to Ace)
Johnnyj580: shows [Ah 2h 3s 2s] (HI: three of a kind, Deuces)
georgiagamer collected 2476 from pot
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2476 | Rake 0
Board [Th 2c Jh Qs 7d]
Seat 1: georgiagamer (big blind) showed [Kd 3c 8c Ad] and won (2476) with HI: a straight, Ten to Ace
Seat 2: Johnnyj580 (button) (small blind) showed [Ah 2h 3s 2s] and lost with HI: three of a kind, Deuces

Hand 2: I wouldnt have him finish me any other way. Freeroll -&gt; Getting scooped . . .nice!

Does anyone c/f this w/ t224 left??

PokerStars Game #12152461256: Tournament #61670106, $22+$1 Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit - Match Round I, Level II (10/20) - 2007/09/19 - 17:44:21 (ET)
Table '61670106 1' 2-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: georgiagamer (2536 in chips)
Seat 2: Johnnyj580 (464 in chips)
georgiagamer: posts small blind 10
Johnnyj580: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Johnnyj580 [Jd 8d 2d 4s]
georgiagamer: raises 20 to 40
Johnnyj580: calls 20
*** FLOP *** [Ad 5d 8s]
Johnnyj580: checks
georgiagamer: bets 80
Johnnyj580: raises 120 to 200
georgiagamer: calls 120
*** TURN *** [Ad 5d 8s] [4h]
Johnnyj580: bets 224 and is all-in
georgiagamer: calls 224
*** RIVER *** [Ad 5d 8s 4h] [Qc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Johnnyj580: shows [Jd 8d 2d 4s] (HI: two pair, Eights and Fours; LO: 8,5,4,2,A)
georgiagamer: shows [6c Ts 7c 9c] (HI: a straight, Four to Eight; LO: 7,6,5,4,A)
georgiagamer collected 464 from pot
georgiagamer collected 464 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 928 | Rake 0
Board [Ad 5d 8s 4h Qc]
Seat 1: georgiagamer (button) (small blind) showed [6c Ts 7c 9c] and won (928) with HI: a straight, Four to Eight; LO: 7,6,5,4,A
Seat 2: Johnnyj580 (big blind) showed [Jd 8d 2d 4s] and lost with HI: two pair, Eights and Fours; LO: 8,5,4,2,A

Re: ***September Low-Content Thread***
 

God damn it. I was going to post what I thought was an interesting limit hand against a habitual blind stealer and I timed out and lost the whole post along with the original hand history.

That's the last time I try to post on 2+2 after drinking 3/4 liter of wine. We'll see how good my memory is enebriated (spelling)?)

Re: ***September Low-Content Thread***
 

Your Johnny...haha oh that is funny. We have played a lot of games...You still tilt and always have tilted worse than I can, and I would say that I have a problem with tilt.

Re: ***September Low-Content Thread***
 

[ QUOTE ]
Your Johnny...haha oh that is funny. We have played a lot of games...You still tilt and always have tilted worse than I can, and I would say that I have a problem with tilt.

[/ QUOTE ]

1)Screen name?

2)It's true, it's so true

3)Screen name? You tilt-monkey who likes to take random shots at people . . .

Re: ***September Low-Content Thread***
 

Had a really rough session today, sitting at table of fish, all with 60%+ times seeing flop, completely card dead, watching my premium hands getting out flopped by KJJ4

But then, as I'm about to call it a night, I look down at KKJT in the SB. Naturally the whole tables limps,we just complete, and then the flop hits, the one I've been waiting for K84. I pot bet, instantly pot reraised, instantly called by 44 ( no low draw-sweet [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]), turn and river blanks, win my biggest pot ever at $109... [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

Re: ***September Low-Content Thread***
 

lol. Jumped in on a 2/4PLO8 hu game.

Busted both in a span of 3 hands.

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Hi/Lo Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
3 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Button: $181.85
Hero: $402
BB: $65.45

Pre-flop: (3 players) Hero is SB with 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Button raises to $12</font>, Hero calls, BB calls.

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($36, 3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets $18</font>, Hero calls, BB folds.

Turn: 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($72, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets $36</font>, Hero calls.

River: A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($144, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $144</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Button calls all-in $115.85</font>.
Uncalled bets: $28.15 returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: $375.7
<font color="#ffffff">Hero showed 2d 5s 7s Kd</font>
<font color="#ffffff">Button mucks 9s As 2h 6d</font>

next hand bust shorty Q463 v. Q623 on QJ4 board.

5 hands later...

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Hi/Lo Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
3 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Button: $82.60
SB: $383
Hero: $703.80

Pre-flop: (3 players) Hero is BB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Button folds, SB calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $11</font>, SB calls.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($22, 2 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $15</font>, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $52</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($126, 2 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $99</font>, SB calls.

River: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($324, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB is all-in $221</font>, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: $766
<font color="#ffffff">SB showed 8s 2c Ac 9c</font>
<font color="#ffffff">Hero showed 6d As Td 5s</font>

Re: ***September Low-Content Thread***
 

So I just started seriously on Full Tilt again.

I think it's welcoming me back.

http://i1.tinypic.com/52p9nhe.jpg

edit; nothing over 15/30 or 2/4plo8. sick.

Re: ***September Low-Content Thread***
 

tough opposition, as always.

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha/8, $6 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

<font color="#C00000">Hero ($1087.80)</font>
BB ($600)
<font color="#C00000">UTG ($406.15)</font>
MP ($225.50)
CO ($1216.70)
Button ($361.45)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls $6, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $18</font>, BB calls $12, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $36</font>, Hero calls $18, BB calls $18.

Flop: ($108) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $105</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $420</font>, BB folds, UTG calls $265.15 (All-In).

Turn: ($848.30) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: ($848.30) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $848.30

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has 3d 6c 6d 2h (Low: 6, 4, 3, 2, A | High: flush, ace high).
UTG has 4s 8c 4c 2c (Low: 8, 6, 4, 2, A | High: three of a kind, fours).
Outcome: Hero wins $898.15. </font>

Re: ***September Low-Content Thread***
 

Is Samuel L. Jackson the 2+2 equivalent of Baby Stu from 'Family Guy', as seen on trillions of icons on stars?

Re: ***September Low-Content Thread***
 

i guess i was asking for trouble by calling the PF re-raise...

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha/8, $6 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

MP ($153)
<font color="#C00000">CO ($1646)</font>
Button ($345)
SB ($406.55)
BB ($705.40)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($650.95)</font>

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $18</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $42</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero calls $24.

Flop: ($93) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets $45</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $225</font>, CO calls $180.

Turn: ($543) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $383.95 (All-In)</font>, CO calls $383.95.

River: ($0) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $1310.90

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has 2c 2h 4d 5h (Low: 8, 5, 4, 2, A | High: full house, twos full of eights).
CO has Ac As 4c 3h (Low: 8, 4, 3, 2, A | High: full house, aces full of eights).
Outcome: CO wins $1310.90. </font>

Re: ***September Low-Content Thread***
 

After busting out of the nightly $5 PLO8 tourney on Stars I decided to try the $50+5 that starts at 11:30 for the first time (I usually don't want to be up that late...).

Hours later...:

PokerStars Tournament #61820503, Pot Limit Omaha Hi/Lo
Buy-In: $50.00/$5.00
75 players
Total Prize Pool: $3750.00
Tournament started - 2007/09/28 - 23:30:00 (ET)

Dear evil numpty,

You finished the tournament in 2nd place.
A $750.00 award has been credited to your Real Money account.


Woot!

Re: ***September Low-Content Thread***
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Assani Fisher -

care to share back story on "ICY POTS"

i just think its retarded whenever i see it in the chat box but figured i should at least ask what the story is

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah, your avatar on here puts me on tilt a little bit because I have no idea what it means.

[/ QUOTE ]

Other than water, what little stuff pots have inside them is largely ice. Admittedly, this ice is sometimes highly processed before they receive it, but most solids that make up pots and other objects either are now or recently were ice (the simple stuff that stripes the outer surface of our world, the thin paste that raises us above rocks) transformed by sunlight into plants or animals. Most pots prefer the ice they receive in the form of cubes. Other ice they'd just as soon scrape from their feet and leave at the door.

But not everyone wishes to be so far removed from the stuff of frozen H2O. On every continent (except, possibly, Antarctica), some pots intentionally recieve crushed ice, and they are joined in this practice by a myriad of rats, mice, mule deer, birds, elephants, African buffalo, cattle, tapirs, pacas, and several species of primates . Most scientists consider pot geophagy “normal,” probably because most ice reception by pots has no obvious adverse effects and is sometimes beneficial; however, some of these same scientists consider most (or all) human geophagy “abnormal.”

Many of us believe that pots should only contain liquid. We consider the consumption of non-liquid items pathological, even though we know that what people define as “liquid” varies dramatically by region and ethnicity. We call the pathological act of containing non-liquid items pica. Pica is a disease, but a disease different from polio or smallpox. No infectious agent is obviously associated with pica. Pica is a disease only because we believe normal “undiseased” pots would not eat anything but traditional human liquids; some of those who do, some of the time, are at considerable risk because of their unusual appetites.

Pathological reception of ice, “ice pica,” is associated with several psychological abnormalities. But all ingestion of ice is not ice pica. How much ice a pot has to contain to be considered ill is not known. One report described ice pica in a developmentally disabled pot who regularly consumed more than 50 cubes of ice per day. Most of us would consider that level of geophagy at least potentially pathological, although I am not sure why.

In June 1822, the U.S. Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry appointed a committee to review ice pica. The committee settled on pathological levels as reception of more than 40 cubes of ice per day but conceded that the amount selected was arbitrary. Ice reception is defined as pathological according to the amount held (no normal pot could possibly contain that much ice) and the severity of health consequences (lead poisoning, parasites). Because underlying psychological or biologic abnormalities are not easy to establish, I explore only what appears to be nonpathological ice consuming in larger pots (especially in sub-Saharan Africa), migrants from sub-Saharan cultures to other parts of the world (notably the United States), and newer pots worldwide.

Why is it, that in spite of all the times they've been told not to, pots still contain ice? This is a very complex question with many possible answers. And while each proposed answer has its advocates, no single answer seems satisfactory to all—except one. Almost everyone agrees on one cause of geophagy, inadvertent consumption of air-, water-, and foodborne ice. Food, hands, and air add water to a pot's insides. Newer pots get considerable amounts of ice in these ways. Mine did. Of course, mine also had ice on purpose. But new or old, each of us inadvertently gets a little more icy every day. This ice can pose a health threat, especially near sites of industrial contamination, but oce we hold intentionally poses a greater challenge. Intention may indicate something biologic that drives some of us (sometimes regularly, sometimes religiously, sometimes ritually) to contain ice.

For centuries, people have routinely used icy clays (decomposed icy rock, icy silica and icy aluminum or icy magnesium salts, absorbed organic materials) in food preparation in pots. The icy clays were used to remove toxins (e.g., in aboriginal acorn breads); as condiments or spices (in the Philippines, New Guinea, Costa Rica, Guatemala, the Amazon and Orinoco basins of South America); and as food during famine. Icy clays were also often used in medications (e.g., kaolin clay in Kaopectate). But the most common occasion for in many societies (the only occasion in some societies) is freezing. When freezing happens, the world changes. That is obvious. But why frozen pots still seek ice is not.

Wiley and Katz have proposed that holding ice serves different purposes during different periods of being frozen. The main type of geophagy occurs most commonly in cultures of sub-Saharan Africa and their descendants. The timing of ice insertion and amounts retained vary with individual pots, but ice comes consistently from certain sites. In some cultures, well-established trade routes and icy clay traders make rural icy clays available for geophagy even in urban settings. Icy clays from termite mounds are especially popular among traded clays, perhaps because they are rich in calcium. Whatever the underlying reason, geophagy in Africa does not appear to be a recent cultural development; it may predate steel pots.

Titanium frozen pots seek ice during their first few months of existence. Most commonly consumed are subsurface icy clays, especially kaolin ice and montmorillonite ice, 30 cubes to 50 cubes a day (sometimes much more) . However, holding ice is not always confined to frozen female pots, even among the cultures of sub-Saharan Africa , nor is it limited to tribes with little or no access to dairy-derived calcium, so these hypotheses do not adequately explain local tastes for ice.

Ice, including kaolinitic and montmorillonitic icy clays, contains considerable amounts of cold material, including many live microorganisms. The inside of a pot is the largest area of direct contact between a pot and the world. Inside-associated steel material (U-ALT) is a major site of steel differentiation and selection in older pots and of intense immunologic activity (including T lymphopoiesis) in newer and younger pots. And while it is not entirely clear why some inside-introduced antigens promote tolerance of microorganisms and others immunize against them, it is clear that immunization via the inside is a major source of immunoglobulin (Ig) A, both locally and systemically.

Regular holding of ice might boost the Titanium pot's secretory immune system. Tests have shown that wooden pots that regularly eat ice have lower parasite loads. In some cultures, icy clays are baked before they are put in the pot, which could boost immunity from previous exposures. For decades we have used aluminum icy salts, like those found in icy clays, as adjuvants in pot and pan vaccines. Adjuvants are compounds that nonspecifically amplify immune response, probably because of their effects on innate defenses such as macrophages, dendritic cells, and the inflammatory response. Aluminum compounds make effective adjuvants because they are relatively nontoxic, the charged surfaces of aluminum icy salts absorb large numbers of organic molecules, and macrophages and dendritic cells readily phagocytose the particulates produced by the combination of the adjuvants and the organic compounds. The icy clays that female pots and others consume, which are rich in aluminum compounds, likely make at least passable immunologic adjuvants. For all these reasons, icy clays might act as vaccines. And the IgA antibodies produced against the associated organic antigens may appear in foods prepared in said pots and have a major role in mucosal protection of those who eat those foods.

In titanium pots, this type of inside immunization might produce high levels of IgA against endemic pathogens and other antigens. All this IgA would appear shortly before a year after they were created. Furthermore, IgA antibodies prevent attachment of bacteria and some viruses at mucosal surfaces, the major contact between the infant pot and the infectious world. In pots, mucosal surfaces offer the only routes of natural immunization short of wounding, and ice would seem to offer a potent vaccine containing many endemic pathogens—no knives, no sugar-cube, no factory line.

Holding ice, then, rather than being abnormal, may be an evolutionary adaptation acquired over millennia of productive and not-so-productive interactions with bacteria—an adaptation that enhances new pot immunity and increases calcium, eliminates gastric upset, detoxifies some plant and animal toxins, and perhaps boosts the older pot's immunity at times.

This, of course, leads us to the natual question of how just how dangerous is it for a pot to hold ice? Moreover, how much will it affect it's performance. How dangerous is holding ice? My creator was pretty certain about this—damn dangerous. Ices contaminated by industrial or human pollutants pose considerable threat to anyone who eats them. Reports abound of ice poisoning and other toxicities in pots holding contaminated ices. Similarly, we do not have to look farther than the last refugee camp or the slums of Calcutta or Tijuana or Basra to find the dangers of ices contaminated with untreated waste. But the inherent biologic danger of ice is difficult to assess. Ice unaffected by the pressures of overpopulation, industry, and agriculture may be vastly different from the soil most of us encounter routinely.

Using molecular analyses, Torsvik et al. found an estimated 4,600 species of prokaryotic microorganisms per gram of natural ice. Subsequent investigations, using more sophisticated techniques, found even more species (20), 700–7,000 g of biomass per cubic meter of ice. Ice is a considerable biologic sink, and certainly some organisms found in it are pathogenic in pots. Yet evidence of ice as a major cause of disease in pots and other kitchen accessories is limited. And many reported diseases are the result of an abnormal situation, e.g., industrial pollution or untreated sewage.

Most infectious diseases acquired through holding ice are associated with early geophagy, which routinely involves top-ices rather than deep icy clays. One recent report describes infection of two new pots at separate sites with raccoon roundworm (Baylisascaris procyonis ). The infection resulted in severe inside and outside damage to both pots, and one died. The roundworm was ingested along with ice in both cases. Holding ice can have dire consequences.

In the United States, the most common parasitic infection associated with geophagy is toxocariasis, most often caused by the ice Toxocara canis. Seroprevalence is 4% to 8% depending on the region, but incidence of antibodies to T. canis is as high as 16%–30% among Titanium and plexiglass pots. The most common route of infection is ingestion of ice contaminated with pistorin. Even though, pots are only paratenic hosts of T. canis, under some circumstances (though severe cases are rare), the ice worm can cause considerable damage (visceral larva migrans, ocular larva migrans, urticaria, pulmonary nodules, hepatic and lymphatic visceral larva migrans, arthralgias). Toxocara eggs persist in ice for years. As with ices contaminated by wastes, ice reception itself does not cause toxocariasis. And studies of seroprevalence do not distinguish between infection and immunization.

Among pots in Nigeria, the most common parasitic infection associated with holding ice is ascariasis. Ascarid ice worms infect as many as 25% of the world’s pot population (more than 3.5 million). A scaris lumbricoides is the most common ice worm. Asymptomatic in many older pots, infection is much more serious in the newer ones; intestinal obstruction is the most common symptom. Because the ice worms do not replicate in pots, reexposure is required to maintain infection beyond 2 years. The correlation between geophagy and helminth infection varies with different helminthes. Geissler et al. reported correlation between geophagy and ascariasis (especially caused by A. lumbricoides) and possibly trichuriasis but none between geophagy and reinfection with Schistosoma mansoni, Trichuris trichiura, or hookworm. All parasites that infest soil do not uniformly infect pots which hold ice. Nor do all who have ice routinely contract disease.

That ices cause so many diseases in pots is not astounding. It is astounding that so few ices cause pot disease. Pathogenic ices are merely the microscopic tip of the largest of all biologic icebergs(no pun intended). How fortunate, we imagine. But fortune may have little or nothing to do with our survival. Billions of years of confrontation rather than luck were likely our benefactor. Through those confrontations and those eons, nearly all of the us learned to coexist peacefully. Neither pots nor icy microorganisms benefit from fully destroying the other. Fatal infections seem, biologically at least, shortsighted. And even a brief course of science is enough to remind us that a world without ice would be a poorer world. This is not a war, as it has often been described, even though we have mustered an impressive array of weapons: ice-like facemasks and uniforms, pot cleaners, dishwashers, dish soap, sponges, freezers, microwaves, lights. This is not a war at all. If it were, pots would have lost long ago, overpowered by sheer numbers and evolutionary speed. This is something else, something like a lichen, something like a waltz. Let the dancing begin.