Re: WSEX: Official Monthly Thread: August. (#12 of 12.)
 

Good afternoon,

We don't take Epassporte because they won't do business with sportsbooks. I read somewhere, maybe here, that Epassporte is allowing certain sites to use them if the same players opt out of their casinos. I will see if we can do the same here.

Tournaments- I see your points about jumping up the limits too fast. We will make adjustments this week.

SNG's- There are too many table sizes. Right now we have 5, 6, 8, and 10 players. We'll make changes.

Regular mail withdrawals are taking a long time right now, around a month. If you are waiting longer than 40 calendar days for a regular mail, please PM me. Something is not right.

Yes, we will be offering bonuses for football. Watch your emails.

Disconnects- We have only received one complaint about disconnects since our last upgrade. The platform is very stable. If you are having any issues, please contact support and let them know.

We will hopefully be implementing an old and tested marketing system this month that should help boost our traffic. You will also see a bump when our football customers return.

We have not gone to contributed yet. It was slated for the late August release but we may push it back one month.

Please keep the comments coming.

Fred
GM
WSEX.com

Re: WSEX: Official Monthly Thread: August. (#12 of 12.)
 

I play regularly at your site and like it for the most part. One thing needs to be fixed:

The slider.

At a 2/4 NL game with a starting stack of $400, the slider will naturally go to $12 for a preflop raise.

If I move above $500, it starts to move to $13 naturally. This progresses for what I assume is eternity.

Just because I have more money does not mean I want to raise more.

Keep the slider constant. Thank you.

Re: WSEX: Official Monthly Thread: August. (#12 of 12.)
 

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We don't take Epassporte because they won't do business with sportsbooks. I read somewhere, maybe here, that Epassporte is allowing certain sites to use them if the same players opt out of their casinos. I will see if we can do the same here.

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We will hopefully be implementing an old and tested marketing system this month that should help boost our traffic.

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This is a very welcome development. IMO the two major factors limiting traffic were the lack of commonly used deposit methods, and the lack of fish. (I'm guessing the second statement is some sort of affiliate plan).

I know that I, for one, would deposit if Epassporte was available.

Re: WSEX: Official Monthly Thread: August. (#12 of 12.)
 

Fred-

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also-

is there any chance to get late registration for your tourneys? I just missed one today because the seating started in the instant after I clicked OK, but before it acknowledged it. I would like to be able to register up until the end of the first level of play, or until the first player goes busto.

And is there any way to have the rakeback for cash tables show on the cashier screen as you are accumulating it, instead of only after you leave the table. I didn't get to play much this week so last night I was pushing hard to get my $75 in rakeback. I had 4 tables open, and since none of them got closed before midnight all the rakeback from those tables went to THIS week instead of the week the hands were actually played. I was a bit upset.

Re: WSEX: Official Monthly Thread: August. (#12 of 12.)
 

Anyone,

I saw the instructions for depositing there via wire.
I've never done anything like this before and I'm a total banking and wiring moron.

Is my bank going to look at me funny if I walk in there and ask for something like this?
Any reason I'm going to get some 3rd degree about "what is this money being sent for?" and stupid stuff like that.

I just hate having to deal with idiot and/or nosy bank-tellers and would like to hear of others' experiences.

If this has been discussed in one of the previous monthly-threads just let me know and I'll try to find it. Thought I would ask here first before searching through a zillion posts trying to find just the one piece of info I'm interested in.

Re: WSEX: Official Monthly Thread: August. (#12 of 12.)
 

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Anyone,

I saw the instructions for depositing there via wire.
I've never done anything like this before and I'm a total banking and wiring moron.

Is my bank going to look at me funny if I walk in there and ask for something like this?
Any reason I'm going to get some 3rd degree about "what is this money being sent for?" and stupid stuff like that.

I just hate having to deal with idiot and/or nosy bank-tellers and would like to hear of others' experiences.

If this has been discussed in one of the previous monthly-threads just let me know and I'll try to find it. Thought I would ask here first before searching through a zillion posts trying to find just the one piece of info I'm interested in.

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MB,

I've never wired a poker/gambling site but have sent other various wire transfers.

From my brokerage account I can do it all online. All they want is the account information as to where the money is being sent. The information needed is account number, routing number, address, phone, name, etc. They do not ask for a purpose.

My bank makes me go in, but the process is essentially the same. The teller isn't looking to find your purpose in sending money. At my bank I have to fill out a form. There was disagreement among the tellers as to whether I could've initiated the transfer via the 800 number.

Anyway, its simple and fast. In each case where I've wired money, the money gets there the same day.

Re: WSEX: Official Monthly Thread: August. (#12 of 12.)
 

" The teller isn't looking to find your purpose in sending money."


There have been some threads where people trying to cash online-gambling checks that looked a little different/funny would actually get Q's from the teller about "who sent you this money and what is it for" and other nosy none-of-their-damn-business type crap.
So that's why I'm a little trepidatious about it.

Thanks for sharing your experience though.

Re: WSEX: Official Monthly Thread: August. (#12 of 12.)
 

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There have been some threads where people trying to cash online-gambling checks that looked a little different/funny would actually get Q's from the teller about "who sent you this money and what is it for" and other nosy none-of-their-damn-business type crap.

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I understand but I don't think the two issues are related.

I've always had the sense that the stories with checks may just come down to the nature of the relationship you have with your bank. If you're a regular adult with a long account history without anomalies and you deposit checks via the ATM I doubt you'd ever have a problem with a check from a poker site.

If a person in their early twenties with a new account is looking to get a check cashed that has an address which is a P.O. Box in the Netherlands the bank might express some trepidation.

These issues should not impact the convenience of a wire transfer.

Re: WSEX: Official Monthly Thread: August. (#12 of 12.)
 

fred, why are you switching to contributed? I'd just like to know from your point of view

Re: WSEX: Official Monthly Thread: August. (#12 of 12.)
 

I too would prefer it stay as dealt-hand and not switch to contributed.
Please reconsider your decision to switch to contributed.

Re: WSEX: Official Monthly Thread: August. (#12 of 12.)
 

Has anybody here even done the math on how much value we are getting in bonus money if u play the 5k Added tourneys plus the 5k guaranteed on Sundays??

Well if u do Worldpx.com is actually paying everyone appoximately $ 107 bucks per week in bonus money!! thats after minusing the $25 fee to be vip.

Where else can u get paid $107 bucks a week to play online poker. Kind of like being a prop really.

Anybody else realize this and that this setup is even better for us, the players, than the rakefree model as long as u are a vip and play the 5k's.

The math below for those who would like to see where i got htis number.

5k added divided by 120 players.. about $40 per 5k in bonus money

5k gur on Sundays.. - usually about $12 in bonus money there

So $132 minus $25 to be Vip = $107 approximately in bonus per week paid to each vip member!!!! wow huh

Re: WSEX: Official Monthly Thread: August. (#12 of 12.)
 

hi

I noticed that someone from wpex posts that they might switch to contributed instead of dealt hand method. That is not the problem, almost every player will pick dealt over contributed.

I see alot of people posting ideas and such and some are good, but the main issue I noticed when I checked out the site is depositing for american players !
As far as i can see the only way is a wire transfer. Or am I missing something ?
WPEX needs to introduce a new way to deposit easily for american players. Also an affiliate program or ads would help alot. Maybe a first deposit bonus might help.
Also plse do not get rid of the 75% rakeback ! Cause this is a great asset for your site !

Maybe a good idea for implementing new things would be to put up a few polls on your site and let the players decide what they want. In the end you can do what you want, but if players don't join ..... you don't get anywhere.

I have seen so many sites screw up their site with bad changes that makes players go elsewhere.

And as someone else said neteller killed the traffic .... so I am guessing that easy deposit and cashout for americans might be the biggest issue on wpex .... .
I noticed for example that since fulltilt got the major credit cards to work again they seemed to get more traffic .... . Maybe it is unrelated but somehow I think it is that simple especially for american players.

Re: WSEX: Official Monthly Thread: August. (#12 of 12.)
 

I realize you are considering going to contributed to help the worse players but I think that it might not be the best thing. When people are running bad they are not winning many pots thus a during a bad run my contributed will be much less than my MGR and it will be the same for loose players as well. Giving them this crutch helps people stay in the game during bad runs.

Re: WSEX: Official Monthly Thread: August. (#12 of 12.)
 

If the actual player base were polled, I believe the GM would find that there's a strong preference to keep the dealt model rather than move to a contributed model.

It would be a shame to see developer resources go to something which won't make the site better.

Re: WSEX: Official Monthly Thread: August. (#12 of 12.)
 

The biggest thing wrong with the switch to contributed rakeback is that we don't know which contributed method we might be switching to.

Fred, would you mind stating what you are considering? Is it if you win the pot, then the rake taken on that pot is yours? Is it if you participate in the pot, then the percentage of the total pot your money makes up is the same as the percentage of the rake you qualify for? Some other method?

I am currently on the "keep it dealt" side. I won't even consider being for contributed until I know the details of what contributed consists of.

I also agree that it is a waste of resources to work on this change before other changes are made.

Re: WSEX: Official Monthly Thread: August. (#12 of 12.)
 

Indeed, there are different forms of contributed RB and there's the possibility that even Fred or others at WSEX don't even know which one they are planning on implementing.

Consider that for awhile even their own support insisted that they were using the contributed RB method even when it was actually dealt-hand.
They were just plain wrong/confused.

There's almost no harm done by keeping it as dealt-hand RB which pretty much everyone on here would prefer I imagine.

The people who benefit the most from contributed rakeback are the players who don't even know they are the ones benefitting the most.

Definitely please do not do this switch.

Saying that you listened to the input of 2+2'ers and have decided to keep it as it is would also make you look pretty darned good imo in light of the number of players that were bothered by the anti-HUD stance.

Re: WSEX: Official Monthly Thread: August. (#12 of 12.)
 

I personally like the anti hud rules.

This makes it more like a real live game rather than people trying to datamine everything about u.

I think that people should have to actually use their minds to make decions.. not rely on datamining which is kind of like cheating. mind decision with their MINDS not data from hud programs.

Thank u Worldpx.com for having the incredible guts to put your foot down about the huds and help keep online poker more of a sport.. not a rakefest or a datamining game.

Re: WSEX: Official Monthly Thread: August. (#12 of 12.)
 

Re: WSEX: Official Monthly Thread: August. (#12 of 12.)
 

pokergame - I really wasn't trying to start up the HUD vs. Anti-HUD argument again. Just brought that up because obviously this stance turned off quite a few of their customers.
The HUD thing is something that appealed to some of their customers while others preferred it done differently.

But the rakeback thing almost everyone prefers the Dealt-hand method.

I would even go so far to speculate that a few of the looser players on the site who might actually benefit from contributed-method would still prefer the dealt-hand method because they THINK they are also among the tighter players.

Of those who understand the difference between Dealt-hand and Contributed I suspect almost everyone would prefer Dealt-hand.

Re: WSEX: Official Monthly Thread: August. (#12 of 12.)
 

The thing about contributed rake is that it would be a new/ innovative concept and almost definitely attract some NEW poker players to the site.

So I feel it is worth trying since will bring more people to the site.. even though big winners will get less back in rake.. but then fish happy cuz they would get much more back in rake fees.

Re: WSEX: Official Monthly Thread: August. (#12 of 12.)
 

You honestly think that switching to contributed will bring in more players? Seriously, what is the ad campaign gonna be? "Come play at WPX, we give 75% rakeback...and guess what? It's contributed!!" The average player doesn't care. And the people already playing on the site do care...they want dealt.

Re: WSEX: Official Monthly Thread: August. (#12 of 12.)
 

switching to contributed will help lower the player base, not increase it

Re: WSEX: Official Monthly Thread: August. (#12 of 12.)
 

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We have not gone to contributed yet. It was slated for the late August release but we may push it back one month.

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Is this happening no matter what?

I urge you to reconsider.

Re: WSEX: Official Monthly Thread: August. (#12 of 12.)
 

omg I misclicked in your poll. Meant to vote for dealt obv.

Re: WSEX: Official Monthly Thread: August. (#12 of 12.)
 

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The thing about contributed rake is that it would be a new/ innovative concept and almost definitely attract some NEW poker players to the site.

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This is ridiculous 2 different ways.

1. It is not new and innovative. If you like contributed rakeback better for some odd reason there are plenty of places where you can get it.

2. There is not a single player in the universe who will decide they now want to give their business to WPEX because they changed from dealt-hand RB to contributed.
No, I can't actually KNOW this. But I suspect it is very likely.
There is just no way that switching to contributed would bring in more players and it's really ridiculous to think otherwise.

I pointing out this rather obvious aspect that I think most on here understand mostly because I have a mild concern that WPEX might somehow listen to your odd argument and think there is still a decent percentage of players on their site who would be in favor of this change. There aren't.

Re: WSEX: Official Monthly Thread: August. (#12 of 12.)
 

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omg I misclicked in your poll. Meant to vote for dealt obv.

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Re: WSEX: Official Monthly Thread: August. (#12 of 12.)
 

Yes the dealt method is good , no need to change good things ..... The rakeback is good too and both are assets and should not be changed imo.

WPEX needs to fix the "bad" things .... . I think that what wpex needs is a new way to deposit for americans that is easy and if possible cheap or even free. An easy way to cash out would be nice too for americans. And running some ads would help for sure ! Let people know you exist and that you offer this 75% rakeback. Many people look for rakeback but I noticed that even on some forums wpex is unknown or barely known !!
2 other things that might help are affilliates and a first deposit bonus. Many people go to a site if there is a decent first deposit bonus and affiliates are as good as ads cause they will for sure spread the word that you are out there.

Re: WSEX: Official Monthly Thread: August. (#12 of 12.)
 

If WSEX is trying to get more players, I would suggest implementing the plan to attract the new players and then once more players are there, then decide whether or not it's wise to switch to contributed. Otherwise, the current player base, or what's left of it, is going to leave before any new traffic arrives.

Hasn't everybody here that plays WSEX stated that they prefer dealt? Shouldn't that mean something? Otherwise why would WSEX GM be here?

BO

Re: WSEX: Official Monthly Thread: August. (#12 of 12.)
 

Why don't some people hand out a ton of flyers about this situation at MAJOR TOURNAMENTS around the usa and tell everyone how we can keep all the money in the poker community, with the bonus money in 5k's currently, by playing at Worldpx?

Granted most will be ignorant but a grassroots movement needs to be started. Anyone else agree?

Re: WSEX: Official Monthly Thread: August. (#12 of 12.)
 

I play many sites including WSEX for nearly a year. IMHO the software is fine and fast and improved. The main thing to get more players would be to to make cash withdrawal for US players easier. Also email current players more often with information. For example, I had no idea that rakeback changed to 75% until a week after it happened. Sudden change scares people off. I don't mind if you go to contribued rake except that it will scare a few more off your site. I like your site. Hope you guys can build it up.

Re: WSEX: Official Monthly Thread: August. (#12 of 12.)
 

Purely for the sake of conversation and experimentation, I just put money in my account via a debit card from a major, well known U.S. bank.

The process took less than a minute.

It appears not to be a problem to get money on WPX.

Re: WSEX: Official Monthly Thread: August. (#12 of 12.)
 

I'm sorry to say that after this week there will be one less NL grinder here. I've tried to stay positive throughout the recent decline but the lack of table selection is no longer something I can put up with and unfortunately my computer can't handle running multiple clients at a time. When its 7pm EST and we can't even support two NL$100 tables, the rakeback is no longer lucrative enough while i sit here with 4 other rock regulars.

Thanks to the GM for the work you tried to get done. I'll keep an eye on these threads in hopes that the site can find a way to resurge.

Re: WSEX: Official Monthly Thread: August. (#12 of 12.)
 

I see no reason for monthly thread anymore, let this be last one, or do the same for other sites.

ToT

Re: WSEX: Official Monthly Thread: August. (#12 of 12.)
 

i recently withdrew most of my acct. i was a shorthanded limit grinder, but i'm switching to nl right now.

I really would like to play at wpex. I can't though.

I don't mind the software
I don't care about huds
I don't care if rb is contributed or dealt
I don't mind emailing support for Aces hands
I don't play the freerolls

but

I can't find a game. get some players and I'm back in a flash. until then, srry but I'm off to Stars.

Re: WSEX: Official Monthly Thread: August. (#12 of 12.)
 

football season is comming

Re: WSEX: Official Monthly Thread: August. (#12 of 12.)
 

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I'm sorry to say that after this week there will be one less NL grinder here.

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Well, it appears I need to keep this site on my radar screen. Things are looking up.

Let me know when the last grinder leaves..... [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Tuff

Re: WSEX: Official Monthly Thread: August. (#12 of 12.)
 

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I'm sorry to say that after this week there will be one less NL grinder here.

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Well, it appears I need to keep this site on my radar screen. Things are looking up.

Let me know when the last grinder leaves..... [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Tuff

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Re: WSEX: Official Monthly Thread: August. (#12 of 12.)
 

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I'm sorry to say that after this week there will be one less NL grinder here.

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Well, it appears I need to keep this site on my radar screen. Things are looking up.

Let me know when the last grinder leaves..... [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Tuff

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classic...love it.

Re: WSEX: Official Monthly Thread: August. (#12 of 12.)
 

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I see no reason for monthly thread anymore, let this be last one, or do the same for other sites.

ToT

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Why do you say this? It's a popular thread every month. Also, there were a ton of tables (by wpx standards) going tonight. I actually had a choice of which 4 tables to play (3/6 and 5/10) instead of being forced to play the 2 or 3 that were going.

Re: WSEX: Official Monthly Thread: August. (#12 of 12.)
 

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Why do you say this? It's a popular thread every month. Also, there were a ton of tables (by wpx standards) going tonight. I actually had a choice of which 4 tables to play (3/6 and 5/10) instead of being forced to play the 2 or 3 that were going.

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I too noticed the good traffic most all day, let's hope it continues.

As for people not liking this thread, there's always the haters out there for no reason. You would think they would just avoid it.

Palomino, what are your thoughts on the WSEX software? I see all these people hate on it, but personally I have no problem at all with it. Sure it's not flashy or anything, but I have found it perfectly functional from my first day on there.

BO