Re: Official Limit-->NL Forum No Content Thread!
 

I just got some money in stars so I'm finally getting started with NL.

Fired up some .5/1 tables tonight...after 1 hour I have

-gotten it in pf with QQ vs. AK and lost
-gotten stacked by 44. vs. my AK on an A4x board in pf 3 bet pot (44 called off 1/3 his stack before the flop)
-got it in on the turn with a flush, lost to rivered fh


Its weird, i feel a very different kind of tilt feeling than
I do when I lose some pots in limit...

KK - He raised, I reraised and he pushed - Surely he has AA
 

That is the argument that is usually given for those who want to fold KK pre-flop.

Well, maybe this hand will be a lesson to all the folders.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
8 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $97.25
UTG+1: $142.35
MP1: $60
MP2: $116.20
CO: $96.50
Button: $68.15
Hero: $21.40
BB: $101.75

Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">MP2 raises to $3.5</font>, 2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $10</font>, BB folds, <font color="#cc0000">MP2 raises to $34.5</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero calls all-in $11.4</font>.
Uncalled bets: $13.1 returned to MP2.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($43.8, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $43.8)


Turn: 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($43.8, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $43.8)


River: J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($43.8, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $43.8)


Results:
Final pot: $43.8

Results below:
<font color="#ffffff">MP2 showed Kc Ac</font>
<font color="#ffffff">Hero showed Kd Kh</font>

Re: KK - He raised, I reraised and he pushed - Surely he has AA
 

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That is the argument that is usually given for those who want to fold KK pre-flop.

Well, maybe this hand will be a lesson to all the folders.



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Yeah, there are surely a lot of people who would consider folding KK with ~20 bb stacks...

i got me a boat
 

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

MP ($200)
CO ($247)
Hero ($376)
SB ($50.70)
BB ($250.25)
UTG ($40)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $8</font>, Hero calls $8, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: ($19) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $16</font>, CO calls $16.

Turn: ($51) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $42</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $84</font>, Hero calls $42.

River: ($219) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">CO bets $139 (All-In)</font>, Hero calls $139.

Final Pot: $497

[4d 4c] and lost with a full house, Aces full of Fours

Re: i got me a boat
 

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

MP ($200)
CO ($247)
Hero ($376)
SB ($50.70)
BB ($250.25)
UTG ($40)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $8</font>, Hero calls $8, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: ($19) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $16</font>, CO calls $16.

Turn: ($51) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $42</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $84</font>, Hero calls $42.

River: ($219) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">CO bets $139 (All-In)</font>, Hero calls $139.

Final Pot: $497

[4d 4c] and lost with a full house, Aces full of Fours

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Comments on the turn play please.

Re: i got me a boat
 

hey guys im back from my holiday wich was fantastic, I have to take care of some stuff and after that I will be active on this forum making a start to NL so wish me luck [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
viva la france [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: i got me a boat
 

oh boy

Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
Hand Converter Tool from DeucesCracked.com

SB: $22.85
BB: $69.05
UTG: $51.25
MP: $58.05
CO: $117.55
Button: $39.25

MP posts a blind of $1

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG calls $1, <font color="#FF0000">MP raises to $2</font>, Hero calls $2, Button calls $2, <font color="#FF0000">SB raises to $4</font>, BB folds, UTG folds, MP calls $2, Hero calls $2, Button calls $2.

Flop: ($18.00) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, MP checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: ($18.00) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#FF0000">SB bets $9</font>, MP folds, <font color="#FF0000">Hero raises to $26</font>, Button folds, SB calls $9.85 (all in).

Final Pot: $55.70

Results:
<font color="#FFFFFF">
SB shows 7h, 7c (two pair, Sevens and Threes).
Hero shows Kd, 9d (two pair, Nines and Threes).
Outcome: ($55.70 Rake)
</font>


Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
Hand Converter Tool from DeucesCracked.com

Button: $48.50
SB: $64.55
BB: $56.20
UTG: $48.55
MP: $144.70
CO: $98.50

Preflop: Hero is MP with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG calls $1, Hero calls $1, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB checks.

Flop: ($3.50) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#FF0000">UTG bets $1</font>, Hero calls $1, BB folds.

Turn: ($5.50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#FF0000">UTG bets $3</font>, Hero calls $3.

River: ($11.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#FF0000">UTG bets $4</font>, <font color="#FF0000">Hero raises to $14</font>, UTG calls $10.

Final Pot: $39.50

Results:
<font color="#FFFFFF">
UTG mucks 5d, Qc.
Hero mucks Jd, 9d.
Outcome: Hero wins $37.55.
($1.95 Rake)
</font>

Re: i got me a boat
 

sup, I used to play limit and the short handed limit forums taught me how to play before i became an nl nit so ill prob be posting alot here if i rememebr, i play 400-1knl nowadays so if you have anyquestions post here or you can pm me and such

Re: i got me a boat
 

Thx for doing this, Wook. Great idea.

Re: KK - He raised, I reraised and he pushed - Surely he has AA
 

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That is the argument that is usually given for those who want to fold KK pre-flop.

Well, maybe this hand will be a lesson to all the folders.



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Yeah, there are surely a lot of people who would consider folding KK with ~20 bb stacks...

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Is this one better?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP ($2.75)
Hero ($19.30)
SB ($13.40)
BB ($30.45)
UTG ($9.95)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls $0.10, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $0.4</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $0.75</font>, BB calls $0.60, MP folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $3.4</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $10.55</font>, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $20</font>, SB calls $3.60 (All-In).

Flop: ($29.10) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Turn: ($29.10) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: ($29.10) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $29.10

Results in white below:
SB has Qh Js (one pair, eights).
Hero has Kh Ks (two pair, kings and eights).
Outcome: Hero wins $34.95.

Re: i got me a boat
 

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oh boy

Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
Hand Converter Tool from DeucesCracked.com

SB: $22.85
BB: $69.05
UTG: $51.25
MP: $58.05
CO: $117.55
Button: $39.25

MP posts a blind of $1

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG calls $1, <font color="#FF0000">MP raises to $2</font>, Hero calls $2, Button calls $2, <font color="#FF0000">SB raises to $4</font>, BB folds, UTG folds, MP calls $2, Hero calls $2, Button calls $2.

Flop: ($18.00) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, MP checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: ($18.00) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#FF0000">SB bets $9</font>, MP folds, <font color="#FF0000">Hero raises to $26</font>, Button folds, SB calls $9.85 (all in).

Final Pot: $55.70

Results:
<font color="#FFFFFF">
SB shows 7h, 7c (two pair, Sevens and Threes).
Hero shows Kd, 9d (two pair, Nines and Threes).
Outcome: ($55.70 Rake)
</font>


Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
Hand Converter Tool from DeucesCracked.com

Button: $48.50
SB: $64.55
BB: $56.20
UTG: $48.55
MP: $144.70
CO: $98.50

Preflop: Hero is MP with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG calls $1, Hero calls $1, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB checks.

Flop: ($3.50) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#FF0000">UTG bets $1</font>, Hero calls $1, BB folds.

Turn: ($5.50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#FF0000">UTG bets $3</font>, Hero calls $3.

River: ($11.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#FF0000">UTG bets $4</font>, <font color="#FF0000">Hero raises to $14</font>, UTG calls $10.

Final Pot: $39.50

Results:
<font color="#FFFFFF">
UTG mucks 5d, Qc.
Hero mucks Jd, 9d.
Outcome: Hero wins $37.55.
($1.95 Rake)
</font>

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NHs sir. I hope you had a sweet time in St. Tropez. I'm gonna be shippin it on the FTP 100NL tables soon as well. So watch out.

Re: i got me a boat
 

St tropez is paradise. I didnt know the world was such a beautifull place. When I walked out of my plane I already felt the soft weather, the air is really clean and feels allot better than the netherlands where the weather is more suffocated(I hope this is the right word). Than going with a car to the mobile home you watch your eyes out, it felt unreal. The mounthans and view over sea is so beatifull I coudnt believe my eyes. Also on the road you will see ferrari's, lambo's, porche's(one day we counted 40 porches in one day), austin martins etc drive around allot.

It is hard to explain and when showing pictures of the view you will think its ok but when you see it irl its allot different esp with the weather. I am abit sensitive for the sun and was scared I would be burned the whole holiday but I only got burned the first day(as did my friends) and could walk around in the hot sun the other days. When waking up its mostly around 26 degrees and midday around 30-35. But the weather doesnt feel hot it feels comfertable. I could write some more but I hope im not boring anyone [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] Anyway I would recomment st. tropez in france to anyone!

Re: i got me a boat
 

god im prolly the worst NL player ever im down 4buyins in 1k hands

Re: i got me a boat
 

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

MP ($200)
CO ($247)
Hero ($376)
SB ($50.70)
BB ($250.25)
UTG ($40)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $8</font>, Hero calls $8, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: ($19) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $16</font>, CO calls $16.

Turn: ($51) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $42</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $84</font>, Hero calls $42.

River: ($219) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">CO bets $139 (All-In)</font>, Hero calls $139.

Final Pot: $497

[4d 4c] and lost with a full house, Aces full of Fours

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Comments on the turn play please.

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good bet.

Re: i got me a boat
 

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

MP ($200)
CO ($247)
Hero ($376)
SB ($50.70)
BB ($250.25)
UTG ($40)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $8</font>, Hero calls $8, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: ($19) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $16</font>, CO calls $16.

Turn: ($51) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $42</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $84</font>, Hero calls $42.

River: ($219) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">CO bets $139 (All-In)</font>, Hero calls $139.

Final Pot: $497

[4d 4c] and lost with a full house, Aces full of Fours

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Comments on the turn play please.

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Very nice. Not too facny, not too aggro.

Re: KK - He raised, I reraised and he pushed - Surely he has AA
 

wow, a few months ago i say "aww, [censored] it" and pay this off. i guess i'm making some progress at this stupid game after all (though maybe raise a bit more on turn?)

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($51.90)
MP ($98.50)
Hero ($111)
Button ($19.40)
SB ($59)
BB ($251.10)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls $3.50, BB calls $3.

Flop: ($12) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($12) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $8</font>, BB calls $8, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $30</font>, SB calls $22, BB calls $22.

River: ($102) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets $70</font>, Hero folds, SB calls $25 (All-In).

Final Pot: $152

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
SB has 7c Ac (one pair, aces).
BB has Ah 2h (flush, ace high).
Outcome: BB wins $197. </font>

Re: KK - He raised, I reraised and he pushed - Surely he has AA
 

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP ($102.95)
Button ($217.55)
Hero ($130.20)
BB ($102.60)
UTG ($304.65)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $4</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $13</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $9.

Flop: ($27) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $18</font>, Button calls $18.

Turn: ($63) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $45</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $99.2</font>, Button calls $54.20.

River: ($261.40) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: $261.40

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Jd Ad (one pair, jacks).
Button has Td Tc (three of a kind, tens).
Outcome: Button wins $261.40. </font>

Re: KK - He raised, I reraised and he pushed - Surely he has AA
 

watch me set this tarp... oh [censored]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($43.85)
Hero ($176.05)
UTG ($186.85)
MP ($157.40)
CO ($115.10)
Button ($146.30)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $4</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls $3.

Flop: ($8.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, CO checks.

Turn: ($8.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, CO checks.

River: ($8.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $7</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $23</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $172.05</font>, CO calls $88.10 (All-In).

Final Pot: $230.70

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has 9d 9s (full house, nines full of fives).
CO has 5d 5c (four of a kind, fives).
Outcome: CO wins $230.70. Hero wins $60.95. </font>

Re: KK - He raised, I reraised and he pushed - Surely he has AA
 

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wiiiiiiiiiiii I'll get even someday

Re: KK - He raised, I reraised and he pushed - Surely he has AA
 

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watch me set this tarp... oh [censored]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($43.85)
Hero ($176.05)
UTG ($186.85)
MP ($157.40)
CO ($115.10)
Button ($146.30)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $4</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls $3.

Flop: ($8.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, CO checks.

Turn: ($8.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, CO checks.

River: ($8.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $7</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $23</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $172.05</font>, CO calls $88.10 (All-In).

Final Pot: $230.70

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has 9d 9s (full house, nines full of fives).
CO has 5d 5c (four of a kind, fives).
Outcome: CO wins $230.70. Hero wins $60.95. </font>

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I'd bet the turn. You cant get all the chips in be checking every street.

Re: KK - He raised, I reraised and he pushed - Surely he has AA
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
watch me set this tarp... oh [censored]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($43.85)
Hero ($176.05)
UTG ($186.85)
MP ($157.40)
CO ($115.10)
Button ($146.30)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $4</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls $3.

Flop: ($8.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, CO checks.

Turn: ($8.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, CO checks.

River: ($8.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $7</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $23</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $172.05</font>, CO calls $88.10 (All-In).

Final Pot: $230.70

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has 9d 9s (full house, nines full of fives).
CO has 5d 5c (four of a kind, fives).
Outcome: CO wins $230.70. Hero wins $60.95. </font>

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I'd bet the turn. You cant get all the chips in be checking every street.

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that might have been sarcastic given the result, and i'm sorry to inject some strategy into an LC thread, but i'm still very uncomfortable w/ my NL game, and i'm actually curious about the play:

yeah, checking twice there is probably bad, and something i pretty much never do (i generally hate slowplaying). it felt right here, though. reason is, if he has OCs, there's no value in a bet when i can let him bluff or spike a pair. the only value i'm missing is from picked up FDs, but he'll bet those often anyways (and w/ the board pairing, i'm not concerned about free cards). and if he's trying to trap me w/ a big hand, well, you see what happens.

please tell me if my thought process is bad though. in limit i bet the turn 100% of the time, because people never fold A high anyways. not sure if i should be doing it in NL too

Re: KK - He raised, I reraised and he pushed - Surely he has AA
 

It wasn't sarcastic. You were slowplaying in order to induce a bluff from air, but there are two other situations you should be more concerned about. One, if the opponent has a hand like 66 or 88 they have draws to beat you. And two, the opponent will sometimes have a strong hand, strong enough for them to be willing to back it up with a good chunk of thier chips. By inducing a bluff you are focused on tiny wins. If you focus on the bigger wins, you'll make more over the long haul.

Re: KK - He raised, I reraised and he pushed - Surely he has AA
 

I don't like nitting up my NC thread, but we'd really like 88 and 66 to "hit" against our boat. They're drawing dead right now. However, this point is the important one:

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And two, the opponent will sometimes have a strong hand, strong enough for them to be willing to back it up with a good chunk of thier chips. By inducing a bluff you are focused on tiny wins. If you focus on the bigger wins, you'll make more over the long haul.

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Re: KK - He raised, I reraised and he pushed - Surely he has AA
 

Yeah youre right, I ignored the fact that we improved. Regradless, even if you are not giving free cards to beat you slowplaying is normally less +EV than valubetting because you win more from worse hands calling big bets than air hands making small bluffs.

Re: i got me a boat
 

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

MP ($200)
CO ($247)
Hero ($376)
SB ($50.70)
BB ($250.25)
UTG ($40)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $8</font>, Hero calls $8, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: ($19) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $16</font>, CO calls $16.

Turn: ($51) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $42</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $84</font>, Hero calls $42.

River: ($219) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">CO bets $139 (All-In)</font>, Hero calls $139.

Final Pot: $497

[4d 4c] and lost with a full house, Aces full of Fours

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Comments on the turn play please.

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good bet.

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Zeebo Theorem FTW.

Re: KK - He raised, I reraised and he pushed - Surely he has AA
 

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Yeah youre right, I ignored the fact that we improved. Regradless, even if you are not giving free cards to beat you slowplaying is normally less +EV than valubetting because you win more from worse hands calling big bets than air hands making small bluffs.

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This is a gem.

Re: KK - He raised, I reraised and he pushed - Surely he has AA
 

im not cutout for NL I guess im going back to lhe soon:

http://img477.imageshack.us/img477/3742/nlmehas0.jpg

Re: KK - He raised, I reraised and he pushed - Surely he has AA
 

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im not cutout for NL I guess im going back to lhe soon:

http://img477.imageshack.us/img477/3742/nlmehas0.jpg

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either raise more or coldcall (or limp) less preflop, that gap b/w VPIP and PFR is too big. Be a lot more aggressive on the flop (bet/raise more and call less) and a bit more aggro on turn and river. Go to showdown less.

Re: KK - He raised, I reraised and he pushed - Surely he has AA
 

Yeah went to SD 29% is HUGE. I just got done with a NL session at 100 NL where my went to SD was 11, though normally its closer to 20.

-DeathDonkey

Re: KK - He raised, I reraised and he pushed - Surely he has AA
 

Yay! An idiot makes my night profitable!

PokerStars $0.05/$0.10 No-Limit Hold'em - 6 players
Hand Converter Tool from DeucesCracked.com

BB: $10.00
UTG: $10.50
MP: $4.65
CO: $3.80
Button: $13.60
SB: $21.40

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG calls $0.10, MP folds, CO calls $0.10, <font color="#FF0000">Hero raises to $0.60</font>, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls $0.50, CO folds.

Flop: ($1.45) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#FF0000">UTG bets $1</font>, <font color="#FF0000">Hero raises to $2.50</font>, <font color="#FF0000">UTG raises to $9.90 (all in)</font>, Hero calls $7.40.

Turn: ($21.25) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>


River: ($21.25) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>


Final Pot: $21.25

Results:
<font color="#FFFFFF">
UTG shows 6d, Th (a pair of Sixes).
Hero shows Kh, Ks (a pair of Kings).
Outcome: Hero wins $20.20.
($1.05 Rake)
</font>

Re: KK - He raised, I reraised and he pushed - Surely he has AA
 

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Yeah went to SD 29% is HUGE. I just got done with a NL session at 100 NL where my went to SD was 11, though normally its closer to 20.

-DeathDonkey

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Eeek... is that full ring? I just played a 377 hand 6-max session and my WTSD is 27.82. And I was thinking I was over-folding (in fact, I did fold a couple winners).

Re: KK - He raised, I reraised and he pushed - Surely he has AA
 

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Yeah went to SD 29% is HUGE. I just got done with a NL session at 100 NL where my went to SD was 11, though normally its closer to 20.

-DeathDonkey

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Eeek... is that full ring? I just played a 377 hand 6-max session and my WTSD is 27.82. And I was thinking I was over-folding (in fact, I did fold a couple winners).

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377 hands isnt really enough to for that stat to matter, but 27 is def too high for a long term WTSD @ 6max, but over that sample you probably made lots of hands w/ showdown value.

Re: KK - He raised, I reraised and he pushed - Surely he has AA
 

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Yeah went to SD 29% is HUGE. I just got done with a NL session at 100 NL where my went to SD was 11, though normally its closer to 20.

-DeathDonkey

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Eeek... is that full ring? I just played a 377 hand 6-max session and my WTSD is 27.82. And I was thinking I was over-folding (in fact, I did fold a couple winners).

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377 hands isnt really enough to for that stat to matter, but 27 is def too high for a long term WTSD @ 6max, but over that sample you probably made lots of hands w/ showdown value.

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not true at all

Re: KK - He raised, I reraised and he pushed - Surely he has AA
 

I was talking about 6 max. I think 27 is high but maybe Josh has managed to pull off a showdown-esque style [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

-DeathDonkey

Re: KK - He raised, I reraised and he pushed - Surely he has AA
 

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I was talking about 6 max. I think 27 is high but maybe Josh has managed to pull off a showdown-esque style [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

-DeathDonkey

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no im like 23 but plenty of winners have high wtsd

Re: KK - He raised, I reraised and he pushed - Surely he has AA
 

im at 25 over 30k hands.

Re: KK - He raised, I reraised and he pushed - Surely he has AA
 

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Yeah went to SD 29% is HUGE. I just got done with a NL session at 100 NL where my went to SD was 11, though normally its closer to 20.

-DeathDonkey

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Eeek... is that full ring? I just played a 377 hand 6-max session and my WTSD is 27.82. And I was thinking I was over-folding (in fact, I did fold a couple winners).

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377 hands isnt really enough to for that stat to matter, but 27 is def too high for a long term WTSD @ 6max, but over that sample you probably made lots of hands w/ showdown value.

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not true at all

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ive always been told that mine (~25%) is too high, i guess it depends on the games you're playing in though b/c mine at 2/4 is higher than it was at 1/2 w/ a similar winrate.

Re: KK - He raised, I reraised and he pushed - Surely he has AA
 

I feel like the scene in goodfellas when Henry gets arrested for the first time...my first massively frustrating bordeline tilty NL session.

This is how I rock...

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO ($267.25)
Hero ($506.70)
SB ($166)
BB ($200)
UTG ($202.70)
MP ($421.75)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $4</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $16</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG calls $12.

Flop: ($35) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $186.7 (All-In)</font>, Hero calls $186.70.

Turn: ($0) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: ($0) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $408.40

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
UTG has 4h Qh (two pair, queens and fours).
Hero has Qd As (one pair, queens).
Outcome: UTG wins $408.40. </font>

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($290.10)
UTG ($178.70)
MP ($427.30)
CO ($95.65)
Button ($197)
Hero ($226.25)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $8</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $27</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $19.

Flop: ($56) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $45</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $170</font>, Hero calls $125.

Turn: ($396) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: ($396) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: $396

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has 4s As (high card, ace).
Button has Jc Tc (straight, queen high).
Outcome: Button wins $396. </font>

Re: KK - He raised, I reraised and he pushed - Surely he has AA
 

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I was talking about 6 max. I think 27 is high but maybe Josh has managed to pull off a showdown-esque style [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

-DeathDonkey

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no im like 23 but plenty of winners have high wtsd

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I'm at about 22 with a W@SD of around 48

Re: KK - He raised, I reraised and he pushed - Surely he has AA
 

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I feel like the scene in goodfellas when Henry gets arrested for the first time...my first massively frustrating bordeline tilty NL session.

This is how I rock...

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($290.10)
UTG ($178.70)
MP ($427.30)
CO ($95.65)
Button ($197)
Hero ($226.25)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $8</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $27</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $19.

Flop: ($56) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $45</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $170</font>, Hero calls $125.

Turn: ($396) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: ($396) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: $396

Results in below:
Hero has 4s As (high card, ace).
Button has Jc Tc (straight, queen high).
Outcome: Button wins $396.

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Whoops. [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

There is some reason to this madness. You had not been repopping me yet at all. With how much I was raising Button/CO, I knew you were going to raise me sooner or later, with or without a hand. I wanted to set up the flow of the tables so that you would not be 3betting me at will. I wanted you to feel that if you were going to 3bet me, you're going to have deal with fireworks. It's an image I'm experimenting with - sorry you had to be the victim.

And I really should've check-folded the river when you rivered that flush.