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You guys above check 99 in the BB? Why? :/

Whatever happened to raise preflop in a multiwaypot with a pretty big equity edge?

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Sparky you need to just calm down. This is a fun game not work. When you are just starting new players don't always know when to be aggressive or how to read a table. Mostly because they don't have enough hands in and lack the exposure to situations that would make non-ABC plays work. Respond to some hands that have been posted to see where your ideas line up with the forum, get involved with some session reviews, post hands that you are confused about. Understand that just thinking about poker is going to put you ahead of a large percent of the people you play against.

As far as getting blasted goes, it may happen again if you break one of the rules of the forum or say something dumb with too much authority, hell, it's an internet forum it may happen for no reason at all. My advice is to not take it personally. If someone is saying you are doing something really wrong in a snarky way they have probably said the same thing a dozen or two times and are trying to entertain themselves. If you think you are in the right defend yourself, explain your actions, but be willing to accept you may be wrong. Running away isn't going to help your poker game. Being able to defend a position you've taken and change your position if someone shows you a better one is a valuable skill away from the table.

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Dude I hope you have rakeback...

1. limp
2. mostly raise (possibly fold)
3. check or raise, meh
4. limp
5. raise
6. raise

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Kerowo, I am really calm, I get blasted because I don't have 10K hands. I know this game takes time but with 3000 hands its probably equiv to once a weekend in a B&M for a year. I've got a leak, a bad habit, I want to work on it now. I know starting tables are not the be all end all but if you don't get your money in your vpip will be low, and if you don't raise the same is true for pfr. I review posted hands, I follow the thinking line but without getting in the pot I think I won't move on. I am not a typical player in I started out playing way to many hands, I read and started out tight.

Jago, please explain the sarcasm, the raising suggestions were not mine, they are Ed Miller's, and what does it have to do with rakeback, ie poor play requires help, maybe I get it but like I said they came from Ed. Check the link if you don't believe me.

There a bunch of archieved posted by "Guthrie" talking about the exact same thing and he gets frustrated because no one tells him how to get his numbers up, they just tell him to do it. I pm'ed him, but no responce

Thanks for the dialog, I need it.

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http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/5646/statsls0.png
If this is at FT you can get 27% rakeback. .27*1100 would be a pretty nice boost to OP's profits.

What sarcasm are you talking about? the rakeback comment and my answers weren't linked in any way, I just wanted to do the quiz. and I did look at the link but what I said was how I would play it, which needless to say probably isn't optimal.

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Guthrie asked the wrong question. If you ask: I have K7o on the btn - should I raise? That's unanswerable. Because if it's folded to you, answer is oftne yes, if not, answer is often no. So just posting his CO/Btn hands is pretty useless and shows that he's not understanding what he's being told.

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Guys, I am trying to learn this game and if I get blasted again I just won't hang around here. I have 3000 hands over 5 weeks (I know, not enough hands) but my stats are not changing. I want to learn as I go, I do not want to have 10000 hands and everybody tell me you should have done this or that. I am to tight and do not raise enough ie 18.7/6.1 I basically play starting hands that would fall into the loose table guidelines of SSHE

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Instead of only using the chart... Play poker against the other players.. A lot of PF raises are isolation raises, so you can get the button and isolate loose passive players. This is player dependent so use your pokertracker and your reads to get an edge against these players.

Your Vpip sounds fine, but you should increase your pfr to isolate weak players..

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The reason 3k hands doesn't mean much to most of the folks here is because they don't play B&M, they play on-line and a short session is 3 or 4 hundred hands, a long session is 1 or 2 thousand hands. It's not uncommon to run hot for 3K hands which totally messes you up when you stop running goot, and it will change your numbers as well.

Instead of phrasing the question as a pure stats question, which will get poo pood, phrase it as a pfr question if that is what you are concerned about. "I've noticed my pfr is x% what can I do to bring it up."

Some situations you should be looking at to increase your pfr:
1. Never open limp. Try this for a 5 sessions and see what your comfort level is. About the only thing I OL anymore are pp under 5 and that's only because I play .25/.50 and am comfident I can get away from them post flop.
2. Late position with limpers raise more to buy the button. What is "more?" broadway cards, suited aces down to 8 or 9, pp, suited face cards down to 9.
3. Steal more. If it's folded to you in the blinds raise more. What is "more?" Face cards down to 7 or 8, aces down to 4 or 5, pp.

Try these ranges and see how you feel about them. If you think they are too loose tighten them up, but think about these situations and why you would be opening your raising range.

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do you even realise that you some good advice and comments on your stats? poker players need develop a think skin at the online, live and on forums. such is life.....if you think this is as bad as it gets then you might be in for a shock. seriously.

the thing with stats posts is that stats are stats and youll notice that sparky is in here having a go and asking specific questions....if he doestn get scared off then he will surely continue to get better at poker quickly.

so im gunna challenge you one more time and if you are serious about getting better at poker then get involved in the forums.....

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There a bunch of archieved posted by "Guthrie" talking about the exact same thing and he gets frustrated because no one tells him how to get his numbers up, they just tell him to do it. I pm'ed him, but no responce

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Hm, maybe Im just stupid but what's the big deal with getting your VPIP higher?
You posted some examples of being more aggressive pf yourself, if you follow these, this obv. will cause an effect?
In genereal, I#d consider the improving in blindstealing and -defending and playing aggressive preflop in MP and LP (e.g. knowing when to open-raise even with a marginal hand, iso-raises or reraises etc.) the key factors.
Most of these are adjustments that are to some extent player specific (and therefore arent chartable) and require some "shorthanded thinking" so the easiest way to get used to it would be to try that for a while or at least read some stuff about it.

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Lots have been said in this thread, except this: kudos on posting stats with a decent sample size!

Buzz

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Kerowo and others, many thanks, I will tryout and let you know how it goes. In SSHE it has hands listed as "play" hands are you suggesting they are raise hands if opening? Or in other words in EP it states call with A9s to A2s with limpers in front, do you open raise without limpers? Or do many of the calling become raising hands without limpers in front? Thanks in advance. By the way my play is not terrible with 18/7, in 3000 hands I am up 100 BB.

I would have posted hands before but I can not find a hand converter for WPEX, does anyone have one?

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The only way to learn sometimes is to get knocked upside the head. You come into an internet forum and ask for help. What the [censored] do you expect? You want people to [censored] hold your hand? This is poker. If you want to learn, the school of hard knocks works best, not this feel good, be nice and cuddly hippy [censored].

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Coffee maker on the fritz this morning Bilge?

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Bilge, read this whole post, the OP is believed to be a bot or a bot operator and people are "embracing" him, join, participate etc. I look at things differently, I want to learn how to drive the car not crash the car, crashing is easy. I am learning and asking, I think the "teaching the kids how to swim by throwing them in the lake is pretty old school today" but you can try it with your kids, just not my style. So your constructive advice is you must sink before you swim, be a big boy and get over it.

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OK, he had his chance. What a waste of a thread.

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no timeframe offered on the 117k?

'kickbanlockdeletethread pls. '

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I think you missed the point of my post almost entirely. Sink or swim had nothing to do with it. "your a big boy get over it" about nailed it on the head though.

Most people come into this forum and want an immediate fix to their poker problems. So they make a post (usually without reading the faq) and expected this cure all method to fix there game. Then they get pissed when someone tells them their not only screwing up, but their not asking the right questions. They can't take the criticism. [censored]. Well if you can't take the criticism, you better find a new [censored] hobby, your not going to get any better at this one.

So what I'm saying, if someone corrects you or tells you your wrong, need more stats, need to grunch more, are to tight preflop, don't just bristle up over it and blow them off or get defensive. Take there advice, learn from it and move on. I am well aware you have only played 5k hands and it would take forever to get to the point folks recommend for stats. There have been numerous posts in this thread recommending what to do in the mean time, but your just not listening.

If this is not you, then great welcome to the forum. I hope you get something out of your time here.

My recommendations:
-read faq
-read the micros library
-play some poker
-grunch some hand posts
-when you get some advice stfu and listen

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Bilge, read this whole post, the OP is believed to be a bot or a bot operator and people are "embracing" him, join, participate etc. I look at things differently, I want to learn how to drive the car not crash the car, crashing is easy. I am learning and asking, I think the "teaching the kids how to swim by throwing them in the lake is pretty old school today" but you can try it with your kids, just not my style. So your constructive advice is you must sink before you swim, be a big boy and get over it.

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chill out sparky, he was responding to buzz-cp. And I think it was high time someone put him in his place too. nh bilge. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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I was gonna put this question in NC but this is probably as good a place as any.

I have a buddy who wants to start playing online. We used to play home donkers choice games together years ago. I transferred him $100 a little over a week ago and he has managed to blow thru it playing .25/.50 7cs. That in itself has me a bit worried for him.

When he started I asked him how much he was willing to invest in a bankroll and he said $200. I have told him about the forums here but I don't think he has been here to look around yet.

I also told him about SSHE and encourged him to get it. That was before he informed me that he has never played any HE before. He now wants to deposit another 100 and try his hand at HE. I told him he should start at .5/.10 and take it a bit slower, playing tighter and studying some. But is SSHE where he should start? Should I recommend Miller's Getting Started in Holdem to start with?

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Why is he playing in the first place?

If he is one of those "allowance players" I don't think he'll really be interested in reading a bunch of poker books. He might be playing for the thrill, the fun, or just to make a quick score.

If he IS serious, yeah, Small Stakes Hold Em and Theory of Poker are essentials to getting started.

Remember,
"You can lead a [horse] to water but you cannot make him drink"

[Donk]= lost 200 bets in a .25c game, that's too bad. Variance I guess [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Lots of Luck!

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SSHE is actually a pretty bad starting book imo. It has way to much info and can be overwelming. I think "Winning Low limit Hold-em" is a good starter for absolute beginners. That book should keep him from dropping a ton of change immediately. As he progresses, he can move on to more advanced books.

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SSHE is actually a pretty bad starting book imo. It has way to much info and can be overwelming. I think "Winning Low limit Hold-em" is a good starter for absolute beginners. That book should keep him from dropping a ton of change immediately. As he progresses, he can move on to more advanced books.

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Actually that's a great idea because I have a copy of WLLH that i never could bring myself to finish reading. I can give him my copy.

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Small Stakes Hold Em and Theory of Poker are essentials to getting started.

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This may be the worst and most wrong-minded advice I've ever seen on this forum (the good news, Google, is that you're not the first one to say this). It's bad enough to suggest throwing SSH at a nOOb right out of the blocks, but ToP?! It's really hard to play poker with blood running out your ears and your eyes all watery. Not only is this waaaay too much theory and information for somebody not familiar with the game to absorb (not to mention apply), but SSH is nowhere near as applicable to the online game today as it was even 8 months ago.

Bilge is right, Jones's WLLH is the way to go. GSIH is another good jumping-off point.

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SSHE is actually a pretty bad starting book imo. It has way to much info and can be overwelming. I think "Winning Low limit Hold-em" is a good starter for absolute beginners. That book should keep him from dropping a ton of change immediately. As he progresses, he can move on to more advanced books.

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When my girlfriend wanted to get into poker I bought WLLH specificially to get her started, before I saw so many blatantly incorrect statements that I threw it in the closet. As far as I'm concerned GSIH is THE primer unless you already know enough about poker or math to jump straight to better books. SSH is awful as a first book period, there's a lot of advice that can accidentally turn you into a chip-spewing LAG.

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Hm, maybe Im just stupid but what's the big deal with getting your VPIP higher?
You posted some examples of being more aggressive pf yourself, if you follow these, this obv. will cause an effect?

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In general more hands played increases your chances to make good decisions which means more opporntunities to profit. If someone with a 100VPIP limps in the CO, and I (in the button) raise just about anything with an edge, while someone else would stick with Phil Hellmuth's Top 10 hands, I'm going to make a lot of money with hands like A8o and 55 that nits are not going to make.

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Small Stakes Hold Em and Theory of Poker are essentials to getting started.

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This may be the worst and most wrong-minded advice I've ever seen on this forum (the good news, Google, is that you're not the first one to say this). It's bad enough to suggest throwing SSH at a nOOb right out of the blocks, but ToP?! It's really hard to play poker with blood running out your ears and your eyes all watery. Not only is this waaaay too much theory and information for somebody not familiar with the game to absorb (not to mention apply), but SSH is nowhere near as applicable to the online game today as it was even 8 months ago.

Bilge is right, Jones's WLLH is the way to go. GSIH is another good jumping-off point.

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I never read WLLH or GSIH so you may be correct. My first two texts were 1) TOP- yes it was a bit over my head at first but I studied mathematics, accounting and statistics in college so the whole numbers thing kinda made sense not to mention the theory 2) SSH- I don't know who tipped me off on this book, just bought it.

What topics do WLLH and GSIH cover that SSH and TOP do not?

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SSHE is actually a pretty bad starting book imo. It has way to much info and can be overwelming. I think "Winning Low limit Hold-em" is a good starter for absolute beginners. That book should keep him from dropping a ton of change immediately. As he progresses, he can move on to more advanced books.

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When my girlfriend wanted to get into poker I bought WLLH specificially to get her started, before I saw so many blatantly incorrect statements that I threw it in the closet. As far as I'm concerned GSIH is THE primer unless you already know enough about poker or math to jump straight to better books. SSH is awful as a first book period, there's a lot of advice that can accidentally turn you into a chip-spewing LAG.

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I challenge you to dig it out of the closet and quote them. Not that I think WLLH is a perfect book, but it's far from junk.

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the OP is believed to be a bot or a bot operator and people are "embracing" him, join, participate etc

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actually people are saying his stats are bot-like which doesnt mean we think he is a bot (even though he could be...IMHO its unlikely) but we are saying that he probably plays in an unimaginative weaktight manner without any regard for certain things such as position...its actually not that hard to do when you get a rut and just push those buttons on the screen without paying any regard to teh players around you.

snitch, even though OP has taken his bat and ball and gone home, sparky is making use if it so this thread will remain open as long as it has more than just mud slinging in it

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I challenge you to dig it out of the closet and quote them. Not that I think WLLH is a perfect book, but it's far from junk.

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Being that I've recently gone on a book-reading spree maybe I will. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] FWIW that statement made it sound like I disliked the book much more than I actually did, I just think that there was enough wrong with it that I couldn't recommend it over various superior alternatives. I do remember the final straw being the suggestion to play obvious WA/WB hands by raising the turn and then checking the river if flat called.

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What topics do WLLH and GSIH cover that SSH and TOP do not?

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It's really the opposite; SSH and TOP cover things that most beginners aren't ready for. SSH is especially insidious in that it covers things that look simple when you read them at first, but can lead to some spewy misunderstandings when you misapply them (as many people will).

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IMO WLLH 4 Beginners FTW*
*I havent read GSIH but from what Ive heard its also def good for the beginners

seriously, even after reading WLLH I (as per various milestone posts Ive made) and then buying SSHE did not stop me doing some pretty gross misapplication of SSHE.

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I'm with Xhad on this one. I read WLLH cover to cover a couple of times but I was still pretty lost until I picked up GSIH. At that point everything fell into place and I suddenly "got it". In fact I can't really stress how much of an eye opener GSIH was, especially given how simple the book appears to be on the surface!

Needless to say my next purchase was SSH and a visit here. Since then I've been pretty vehement in my book recommendations which go GSIH -> SSHE -> WTO -> ??? (perhaps the Stox book).

I always advise against WLLH when asked because I spent months trying to unlearn a lot of what it "taught" me.

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Ive read that book cover to cover 3 times not counting page flips and I'm fairly certain I still misapply concepts in SSHE.

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I am working on digesting SSHE and apparently should pickup GSIH for my next meal, SSHE has not left my side since Christmas, literally, and has curled covers and yellow stickies everywhere. I have read many of Ed's posts in here and got a lot out of the "why aren't you guys crushing low limits holdem" but I really wonder who to listen to. So I guess the real question is "do you guys have problems with or take issue with specific statements in SSHE"?

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Its not really taking issue with any of the material. Most people on this forum regard 2+2 books as the definitive writings on poker. The problem is its like putting a super charger on your 16 year old kids car. Most can't handle it without some practice and experience.

Ex: In one situation he advocates raising middle pair for hand protection. Some would take that way to far and think they need to raise middle pair every time. They are only considering one thing, their hand. SSHE in most cases has you thinking about 10 or more items at once. For a new player this can be overwhelming and lead to incorrect decisions. Crawl before walking, walk before run etc.

I think Bozlax is correct that SSHE also has limited scope for online play. Games are much much tougher online then live. In my limited experience, live play tends to mostly have bad players with good partially mixed in, while online is very mixed between good and bad players. Knowing the difference and how to adjust accordingly is the hallmark of successful online players. SSHE seems to be mostly geared towards playing against poor players.

You ask about whose advice to take on these forums, thats a tough thing to sort out. Some very seasoned posters give out extremely poor advice. Post count means jack. While some new posters have excellent advice. Take everything with a grain of salt. After none here has written a poker book.(Ed Miller and Stoxtrader are two notable exceptions). Read the forums long enough and you will know whose posts to look for and whose to avoid.

If your looking for somewhere to start (as far as determining good vs bad posters) go the micros library in the FAQ and go to the bottom of the library. You will see a bunch of posts where players were "thrown in the well". For the most part this is a good list of posters to start looking for until you are more familiar with this forum.

Off the top of my head. (no offense to those missed)
MrWookie
Aaron W.
Bozlax
MilesDyson
(these guys have all been in the well btw).

Ask around many posters damn near stalk these guys and read all their posts.

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It's bad enough to suggest throwing SSH at a nOOb right out of the blocks, but ToP?!

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I'm remembering my experience with these two now. I had lost about $300 in the first year I played and decided enough was enough. I wasn't playing any more until I had a better idea what I was doing. I went to the book store to get a poker book. (i was gonna say SSHE was my first book but when I started playing I read Ken Warren's book. That might have something to do w/ the $300.)

I chose SSHE over TOP because it was the cheaper of the two books. It was completely over my head and made me dizzy. It did point me to this site tho. I went back and got TOP and it was much more gentle on my mind. Whether it was because I was getting some indoctrinization here or not can be debated. But I remember thinking that TOP should be read first.

(I'm not debating your point, I wasn't getting them right out of the blocks. It's just what made me remember my experience.)

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Is the pokertracker steal stat based on opportunities to raise in cutoff or button without a player yet in the pot?

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I challenge you to dig it out of the closet and quote them. Not that I think WLLH is a perfect book, but it's far from junk.

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Well the 3rd edition adamantly opposes pfr JJ,QQ & AKo in the blinds, which I have a big problem with. Don't have the book right with me so I personally can't quote.

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chill out sparky, he was responding to buzz-cp. And I think it was high time someone put him in his place too. nh bilge. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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