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after i make a sick bluff:

i know you have me beat, but I'm calling with third pair anyways

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The strategy error here is bluffing a calling station.

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these are great, last time i played the pink game at the trop i only got called on 3 occasions by the nuts on the river, the person said they thought it might be a split and didnt feel like betting more, hahaha, all pots were HU. They also said they like to keep it friendly, o i love the live fishies

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i'm hu at the river. on a KKKKA board. oponent bets, i raise. he berates me for raising, says that we have to be chopping. thinks about it for about 30 seconds, and then finally calls. I turn over 88 to collect half the pot.

"How could you raise with 88? You're playing the board."

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these are great, last time i played the pink game at the trop i only got called on 3 occasions by the nuts on the river, the person said they thought it might be a split and didnt feel like betting more, hahaha, all pots were HU. They also said they like to keep it friendly, o i love the spectacular pink chip game since it has more fishies than any other limit holdem game on the planet

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FYP. I am proud to have moved up to much higher limits, but often miss the days of pink.

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I've seen people call with something close to the nut low because they thought the bettor was bluffing. I just sat there in disbelief, certainly not saying anything.

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Some guy at Foxwoods 2/5 game "There are no bad cards, just bad flops.".

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This is a true statement.

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Last night I was playing at the commerce and the flop came Kxx (2 spades) in a raised pot between the BTN and the BB. BB checks, BTN bets, BB calls. Turn is a blank, same action as flop. River is Qs and BB leads out, BTN hems and haws, then finally calls. BB shows K2 for a pair of kings, BTN shows QQ for trip Q's.

After the hand BTN says to BB "You made a good river bet there because if I didn't hit my Q I would have had to fold." Needless to say my brain exploded.

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"Play a 6 10 because you can make both ends of a straight."

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It's actually a 5 and T. Every single straight has either a 5 or T in it.

I played a guy who said that T5 is one of his favorite hands and is surprisingly strong because it 'makes the most straights' obviously completely butchering the original idea.

He was playing 10/20 limit and I've seen him at 20/40 before.

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I've said things like this before. One of my favorite lines in B&M is "you got to be in it to win it." I wonder what percentage of people in this thread got leveled.

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Some guy at Foxwoods 2/5 game "There are no bad cards, just bad flops.".

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This is a true statement.

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This is not true in Omaha and Omaha 8/B.

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i'm hu at the river. on a KKKKA board.

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I've been in a 1/2 game with 5 people to the river when the board was showing the unbeatable nuts. Broadway, or quads with an ace (broadway is a lot more common). Just for fun, I bet at it and got two people to fold. One of the players just didn't see what was on the board and admitted it. The other player hmmm'd and haw'd and started to ask the dealer a question and stopped himself and finally mucked. When it was over he tells us "I didn't know if when the 5 cards on the board play if you use kickers or something from the hands to determine the winner and I couldn't call a $100 bet not being sure".

[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] NL1/2.

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At a 6/12 table I was on the button with AA and it was capped when it got to me with I believe 1 or 2 players already cold calling the cap. I managed to win the pot and after, my neighbor turns to me and says "Surprised you won. Ya know, sometimes you should just fold AA preflop. There's too many people in that will probably flop two pair."

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I've said things like this before. One of my favorite lines in B&M is "you got to be in it to win it." I wonder what percentage of people in this thread got leveled.

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Definitely. Lots of these one-liners are surely from people quoting the horrible things they've heard other people come up with. I've been known to say such things after winning with some sketchy hand.

One of the greatest poker strategy discussions I ever had was in a small daily tourney. Lady limps with AA and someone behind her raises, he gets called, she pushes, and gets both of 'em to call. And she loses to the likes of TT and KJ. Soon as she's outta ear shot one of the old guys says "serves her right for slowing playing aces--that always happens--if I get AA I'm always always going all-in with it preflop". Old guy next to him nods and says "yep, she was behind all the way". I know I shouldn't, but I can't take it and ask WTF they're talking about, that I think she did pretty darned good getting her money in as a huge favorite. They take this "you dumb little boy" attitude and pat me on the head and explain patiently that AA is a dog in any 3-way pot, and the ONLY way to win with it is to get all-in preflop heads-up. Perhaps unsurprisingly one of these two is a poker dealer.

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I think I've posted these before but I don't remember. Not strategy, but I found them to be hilarious. I'm playing 8/16 while waiting for a seat in something else and this game is filled with really ugly people, as most 8/16 games are. Anyway, I overhear the following conversation between the guy on my left and the guy on his left, who, as best I can tell, are a homeless guy (HG) and a caveman (CM).

HG: Yeah I only play Q7 or better when I call a raise.
CM: Me too, you know, Q7 is the computer hand.
HG: How is that?
CM: It comes up more often when you play on the computer.

Then the next one is between me and HG. I raise 99 UTG, he coldcalls and flop is HU.

Flop J46 I bet he calls.
Turn 6 I bet he calls.
River 2 I bet he calls.

I table my hand, he shows his 42o and says "I put you on a Jack" while I stack the chips.

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Many times I have been told that a table with lots of fish removes all skill from poker.

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I want that seat when he leaves! That seat is getting all the best cards." Like a hot seat can expect to stay hot.



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There are hot seats.

Like any hot streak in any gambling game like blackjack, roulette, craps there is no set way the cards are distributed.

Seat 3 can have the winning hand 20 hands in a row just like red can come up 20 times in a row. Not believing in streaks is vastly -EV. Moving to that seat may be the only way to get in on the good runs of cards.

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Not believing in streaks is vastly -EV.

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Ooh, meta.

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I've seen people call with something close to the nut low because they thought the bettor was bluffing. I just sat there in disbelief, certainly not saying anything.

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Kind of along the same lines: a 5/10 hand I was thankfully not involved in, lots of callers to the river. Origional aggressor bets the river, gets 3 callers, and the guy on the button, who is closing the action, goes "I have to see it," calls, and tables ace high. As if he wouldn't have been able to see the bettor's hand witout calling?!?!?

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Tourney in Sarasota, 120 runners and I'm at a table of geniuses...I look down at two black aces, and push all in after 5 limpers, I get immediatly called by UTG, who tables 10-7o...Board no help, I double up and he's crippled. He says"Knew you had the Aces" I ask "So why did you call?" He replies:Because 10-7off is the best hand against aces" To which I state "No, actually, it's more like 7-8 suited" Genius then says "Nope, It's 10-7 it wins 55% of the time against aces. I ran it through my odd calculator TEN times!"
So I say"Wow! Thats quite a sample size" and he says "Hey, you really only need to do it 10 times, everything after that is just repating the past results!"

I hope he isn't doing my taxes this year.

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$8/16 limit game at the Bellagio. Old lady complains that there aren't any $10/20 games running anymore. She wants to play higher, but she doesn't have the bank for $15/30 she says. Sounds like a reasonable old woman.

Dealer: "Yeah. You really need a bankroll. Some people say you need sixty big bets!"
Random fish: "Sixteen?"
Dealer: "No. Sixty!"
Old woman: "Oh. Yeah. I don't have that kind of cash."

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Typical loose 1/2 NL game. UTG raises to 7. UTG + 1 mucks. 5 of us see the flop. 779 flops. Checked around. Turn 6. Someone bets, and 3 of us fold (including UTG ... the pf raiser). River is 8. Heads up, there is a bet and a raise and the raise is called. Both decide to show their hands. Bettor had Tx for straight, and raiser had 88 for full house on the river.

UTG + 1 who folded pf jumped up and hollered, "THAT'S what I'm talking about. That's why you fold that hand." I asked what he folded and he said, "Jacks." I said, "you folded pocket jacks pf?" He said, "yep, I know the dude who raised, and I put him on AK. I knew I was way behind, so I folded. And I would have lost on the river. Hell, I fold JJ all the time. I've even folded better hands than that preflop."

I was stunned for 5 minutes and just couldn't respond.

--Headhunter

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My favorite piece of strategy is someone who won't bet a huge hand like KK because the ace always comes. Stuff like that.

Part of me loves playing those guys, part of me hates it. They play bottom pair and nut flush identically, hate it when the latter shows up.

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Many times I have been told that a table with lots of fish removes all skill from poker.


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This is a true statement.

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i say stupid things at the table all the time and with the upmost sincerity, because they are definitely +EV. not just at making myself look stupid and therefore having opponents underestimate me, but because if u r convincing enough some people start to implement them.

its taking the old adage 'don't educate them' to the next level...

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1/2 NL game. I showed down the nut flush after flopping a flush draw with two overs. My opponent asks what I would have done if he had raised bigger on the flop. I responded that I would have likely pushed given his shorter stack and that I thought I had 15 outs. An older gentleman asks how I figure that. I say 6 for the overs and 9 for the flush. He responds: "But you only have 7 for the flush since you have two spades in your hand."

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him - Q6 is better than AA if you're all in preflop. they did a simulation on the compter.

me - i'll bet you 1000 dollars that AA will beat Q 6 on the next five card board we see.

him - no, AA wins in the short term, but when Q6 goes against AA millions of times, then it is slightly ahead.

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him - Q6 is better than AA if you're all in preflop. they did a simulation on the compter.

me - i'll bet you 1000 dollars that AA will beat Q 6 on the next five card board we see.

him - no, AA wins in the short term, but when Q6 goes against AA millions of times, then it is slightly ahead.

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Hahahahahaha! What an idiot. Everyone knows this is only true when you play online.

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This happened a while ago in your typical 3-6 game. It was a kill-pot and I open-raised somewhere in the middle with AQs. I took the pot down without a showdown and the guy next to me questioned why I would raise with AQ there.

Him: Why would you raise with AQ there?
Me: I want to win money.
Him: Yeah, but AQ?
Me: Would you raise with AKs there?
Him: No. Why would you raise with a drawing hand?
Me: Drawing hand?
Him: Yeah, you have to hit to win, right?
Me: Sure?

I used to think this guy was a good player too. I guess I narrowed down his preflop raising range.

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him - Q6 is better than AA if you're all in preflop. they did a simulation on the compter.

me - i'll bet you 1000 dollars that AA will beat Q 6 on the next five card board we see.

him - no, AA wins in the short term, but when Q6 goes against AA millions of times, then it is slightly ahead.

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Hahahahahaha! What an idiot. Everyone knows this is only true when you play online.

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so he should have just offered to make the bet on the next 5 card board we saw on the interwebs? damn, i could have gotten fleeced. good thing the guy was such a moron.

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I want that seat when he leaves! That seat is getting all the best cards." Like a hot seat can expect to stay hot.



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There are hot seats.

Like any hot streak in any gambling game like blackjack, roulette, craps there is no set way the cards are distributed.

Seat 3 can have the winning hand 20 hands in a row just like red can come up 20 times in a row. Not believing in streaks is vastly -EV. Moving to that seat may be the only way to get in on the good runs of cards.

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Wow.

Did your old account get banned?

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There are hot seats.

Like any hot streak in any gambling game like blackjack, roulette, craps there is no set way the cards are distributed.

Seat 3 can have the winning hand 20 hands in a row just like red can come up 20 times in a row. Not believing in streaks is vastly -EV. Moving to that seat may be the only way to get in on the good runs of cards.

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You're joking right?

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"Never fold hearts. Ask any pro, they come up more often than anyother suit. Its a fact."

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It's actually a 5 and T. Every single straight has either a 5 or T in it.

I played a guy who said that T5 is one of his favorite hands and is surprisingly strong because it 'makes the most straights' obviously completely butchering the original idea.

He was playing 10/20 limit and I've seen him at 20/40 before.

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I agree with whoever said there might be some leveling going on here.

I've explained to someone at the table on more than one occasion that I think 10-5 offsuit is the best hand at loose, limit holdem games. It takes big hands like straights and flushes to win these multiway pots, I say, and with that hand you can make all the straights and half the flushes.

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Overheard at my B&M 4/8 game...

Villain #1: "Would you call a board like that (Q85r) with 44?"
Me: "How much money is in the pot?"
Villain #1: "It doesn't matter!"
Me (to self): "Methinks it's the only thing that matters."


Villain #2 (to me): "Pot odds are, no offence, are something that weak players use to justify their bad calls." Never mind that we were talking about 'implied' odds.

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Not the worst strategy, but something that got a little under my skin. Playing 1/2NL at a casino.
Folds to me in LP with 8c5c and I raise to $8. Button calls and so does a short stacked BB. Flop comes
Kc Qc 4d.
BB goes all in for $15, I call and Button makes it $70. I only have $110 at this point so I show and fold.
Proceed to be called "chicken-sh!t" by the 70 year old guy who is 6 buy ins deep, and that I don't know how to play poker.

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A friend of mine that I play in a weekly low limit NL homegame with likes to gamble...bigtime. Anyways, on multiple occasions he has had a flush draw and made humongous overbets all-in when he was obviously beat and was going to obviously be called. The person calling will flip over the nut straight or whatever the nuts are and my friend will say "I know that's what you have". I think ask why the [censored] he pushed all-in then, and he replies "so that I can win a big pot if I hit." Needless to say he's broke as [censored].

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Tons of leveling going on here.
You're leaving value on the table if you aren't saying this kind of stuff at low limit tables.

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one person called my trips all in, and when i asked him how he called that he said he had 'time outs'... i and the rest of the table proceeded to mock him till we could no longer speak haha

he called with ace high btw

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I like repeating all this crap at the table to 1) "teach" the newbies and 2) let them know I might be an idiot.

Man, I want to play poker now.

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In a $1/2NL game recently I saw someone fold top pair K kicker to a short stack shove because he thought the other guy had a flush draw. He actually folded because he believed he had the best hand a didn't want to get drawn out on.