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dont forget the "not being good at poker" part.

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Look, say whatever you want. I've played a total of 6 tournaments. I've won or cashed in 4 of them. You can tell me I'm stupid and that it's all my fault for what happened, but with that history of wins vs. losses, you can't say I suck at poker.
If it's not enough tournaments to base whether or not I'm a winning player, then I guess you will just have to give me more time and wait and see.

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i played with you in the mega sat to festa wpt, and on the bubble you were doing the stupidiest [censored] i've ever seen. you were like 2nd or 3rd in chips w/ 25 left w/ 24 who get seats and you're playing big pots against the only guy who can bust you, or insta calling all ins w/ A3o against guys who can take half your chips and perhaps give you a chance of busting when you can fold into a seat because "you were bored."

listen, you might be ok, but it sounds like you haven't exactly put hundreds of thousands of hands and hundreds of hours playing poker like many of the successful players on this board and on the tournament circuit have.

alot of these guys, don't have much reason to stake you otherwise than to sleep with you because you aren't a winning player, and that's just the truth.

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I can't believe that so many of you are giving her a hard time. I, for one, believe her. It may sound awfully naive and foolish on her part to ever have gotten involved with this guy, but people do do stupid things.

I hate to say this, but the poker world is full of scumbags and grifters. Anybody who has lent money in a casino can tell you stories of getting stiffed. And while poker is relatively clean these days, 30 years ago, it was a totally different situation. And many of the old timers that you young kids idolize today were active cheaters and con men back in those days.

I would advice all you young kids to not lend money in a casino (including letting someone 'hold' your money). Nor should you put anyone into games, cause the odds are good that half the money you give him to play will wind up in his pocket, and the rest will be deliberately lost.

It saddens me whenever I see some young kid getting taken again by one of these old time scumbags.

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Question for all:

Who really got conned here? Poor lil Brandi by mean ol dirty old man Cpt. Tom? Or all of you who are gullible enough to believe her story with no other corroboration?

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Bluff,

It's hard to believe Brandi would slander somebody, ruining her reputation in the poker world, just to trick a message board.

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FF,

You are forgetting a 3rd explanation here which is that she is just NUTS. However, the first option, that she is lying/distorting to some degree still has a higher probability than that she is telling the 100% truth, simply because she has many of the characteristics of a hustler.

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Question for all:

Who really got conned here? Poor lil Brandi by mean ol dirty old man Cpt. Tom? Or all of you who are gullible enough to believe her story with no other corroboration?

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Bluff,

It's hard to believe Brandi would slander somebody, ruining her reputation in the poker world, just to trick a message board.

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5th leveling? I doubt she's concerned about giving her reputation a face lift, because it's already a joke and that would appear irreparable at this point.

The more people she tells her little sad story to, the more donations she can try and squeeze, and of course she publicizes it on a messageboard consumed by hapless geeks who probably flood her PM box as is; they are the easiest targets for her, and since her bag of tricks is running low she needs some means to get by.

Believing a word out of that girls mouth is silly - this is what she does.

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I can't believe that so many of you are giving her a hard time. I, for one, believe her. It may sound awfully naive and foolish on her part to ever have gotten involved with this guy, but people do do stupid things.

I hate to say this, but the poker world is full of scumbags and grifters. Anybody who has lent money in a casino can tell you stories of getting stiffed. And while poker is relatively clean these days, 30 years ago, it was a totally different situation. And many of the old timers that you young kids idolize today were active cheaters and con men back in those days.

I would advice all you young kids to not lend money in a casino (including letting someone 'hold' your money). Nor should you put anyone into games, cause the odds are good that half the money you give him to play will wind up in his pocket, and the rest will be deliberately lost.

It saddens me whenever I see some young kid getting taken again by one of these old time scumbags.

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This is all very true and a major reason why I could/would never live in vegas.

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dont forget the "not being good at poker" part.

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Look, say whatever you want. I've played a total of 6 tournaments. I've won or cashed in 4 of them. You can tell me I'm stupid and that it's all my fault for what happened, but with that history of wins vs. losses, you can't say I suck at poker.
If it's not enough tournaments to base whether or not I'm a winning player, then I guess you will just have to give me more time and wait and see.

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Brandi,

I am sure you're not a winning poker player. The fact is that 50 tournaments wouldn't be enough to determine if you're a winner or just exceptionally lucky (you probably need more like 400), let alone 7. I'm not saying this to be mean, but I think that you're probably best off finding a real job instead of chasing the illusory dream of poker success. This scene is clearly not beneficial to your mental success.

If what you posted is true, I'm sorry to hear it: it's obviously something awful that should never happen to anybody regardless of whether they made some naive mistakes to put themselves in that position.

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I can't believe that so many of you are giving her a hard time. I, for one, believe her. It may sound awfully naive and foolish on her part to ever have gotten involved with this guy, but people do do stupid things.

I hate to say this, but the poker world is full of scumbags and grifters. Anybody who has lent money in a casino can tell you stories of getting stiffed. And while poker is relatively clean these days, 30 years ago, it was a totally different situation. And many of the old timers that you young kids idolize today were active cheaters and con men back in those days.

I would advice all you young kids to not lend money in a casino (including letting someone 'hold' your money). Nor should you put anyone into games, cause the odds are good that half the money you give him to play will wind up in his pocket, and the rest will be deliberately lost.

It saddens me whenever I see some young kid getting taken again by one of these old time scumbags.

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Very true. But the new time young scumbags and cheaters of the online poker scene have carried on the scumbag tradition very "well".

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Or/and because most people lack the maturity the tell an unbiased version of a story which has them this emotionally charged. I think it's fine if Shane, who knows her and probably has more information than anyone wants to call her out on that, but you have no more information than anyone else here. I would bet 99.something percent of the time here, the truth is somewhere between the version she gave us and the version Tom Franklin would give us. I personally find it dumb for you to interject yourself into this thread suggesting "Oh maybe shes just NUTS" because any non-retarded person here deduce that

a.) this girl is [censored] up over whatever happened
b.) while she probably contributed to the situation, she probably also was a victim to at least some extent here

So why do you feel the need to be a total schmuck?

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The bottom line is that strippers/whores view all men as suckers and try to get their money, and think that they deserve it because men treat women so badly. But when one of their marks turns the tables on them and cons them, they cry rape.

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dont forget the "not being good at poker" part.

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Look, say whatever you want. I've played a total of 6 tournaments. I've won or cashed in 4 of them. You can tell me I'm stupid and that it's all my fault for what happened, but with that history of wins vs. losses, you can't say I suck at poker.
If it's not enough tournaments to base whether or not I'm a winning player, then I guess you will just have to give me more time and wait and see.

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Brandi,

I am sure you're not a winning poker player. The fact is that 50 tournaments wouldn't be enough to determine if you're a winner or just exceptionally lucky (you probably need more like 400), let alone 7. I'm not saying this to be mean, but I think that you're probably best off finding a real job instead of chasing the illusory dream of poker success. This scene is clearly not beneficial to your mental success.

If what you posted is true, I'm sorry to hear it: it's obviously something awful that should never happen to anybody regardless of whether they made some naive mistakes to put themselves in that position.

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Well said on all acounts.

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Does anybody know about Brandis background? Who is she?

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Brandi, I may be able to help you, pm for details.

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The bottom line is that strippers/whores view all men as suckers and try to get their money, and think that they deserve it because men treat women so badly. But when one of their marks turns the tables on them and cons them, they cry rape.

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What personal experience do you have with this girl that would make it appropriate for you to compare her to a whore or would make it appropriate for this

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Brandi,

You need to find a backer for your wardrobe. You'll need some nice new clothes to wear to court to go with your boo hoo act when you get sued for defamation of character.

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to be an appropriate reaction when a young girl claims to have been sexually assualted? If you have more information then i realized than i apologize, in any other event you disgust me.

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also want people to keep in mind that this story is coming from the same girl who's 2p2 avatar is clearly showing off her breasts. she has also had more provacative pictures elsewhere. all though that does not mean she deserves any type of disrespect or sexual harrassment. but sex is clearly her selling point and maybe just maybe their is more to the story from Captains point of view [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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The bottom line is that strippers/whores view all men as suckers and try to get their money, and think that they deserve it because men treat women so badly. But when one of their marks turns the tables on them and cons them, they cry rape.

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BluffThis!=Cap'n Tom??? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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ggbman,

Your gullibility disgusts me.

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The bottom line is that strippers/whores view all men as suckers and try to get their money, and think that they deserve it because men treat women so badly. But when one of their marks turns the tables on them and cons them, they cry rape.

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What personal experience do you have with this girl that would make it appropriate for you to compare her to a whore or would make it appropriate for this

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Brandi,

You need to find a backer for your wardrobe. You'll need some nice new clothes to wear to court to go with your boo hoo act when you get sued for defamation of character.

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to be an appropriate reaction when a young girl claims to have been sexually assualted? If you have more information then i realized than i apologize, in any other event you disgust me.

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No [censored] BluffThis! is out of line: let's not let that derail this thread.

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Someone post the Full Tilt pic, or the Santa "brandi" image.

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FF,

google for "Duke"+"lacrosse"+"rape"+DNA not theirs"+"she lied about not having sex that day"

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Or/and because most people lack the maturity the tell an unbiased version of a story which has them this emotionally charged. I think it's fine if Shane, who knows her and probably has more information than anyone wants to call her out on that, but you have no more information than anyone else here. I would bet 99.something percent of the time here, the truth is somewhere between the version she gave us and the version Tom Franklin would give us. I personally find it dumb for you to interject yourself into this thread suggesting "Oh maybe shes just NUTS" because any non-retarded person here deduce that

a.) this girl is [censored] up over whatever happened
b.) while she probably contributed to the situation, she probably also was a victim to at least some extent here

So why do you feel the need to be a total schmuck?

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why are you feeling the need to be captain save a xxx? this is NVG afterall and bluffthis has a right to state his opinion on this juicy story. now if this was posted in psychology or general maybe it would get some more serious and helpful replies.

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ggbman,

Your gullibility disgusts me.

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wtf, he's not saying she's telling the truth, he's saying you have no way of knowing 100% one way or the other you [censored] idiot.

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Anybody who wastes $ on her bills/poker deserves to be slandered quite honestly, she is not someone that should be backed, no one believes in her "poker talent", she's just a drifter looking for sugar daddys. Someone that gets backed by one of two people - naive suckers genuinely wanting to help a cute face , and the desperate guys who seek to do so in exchange for sexual favors. She is fully aware that those people exist, and when they no longer enable her, she uses her newfound outlet to discredit them in a pity-me attempt to quantify the number of people willing to waste funds on her.

But hey, if you want to bite the bait go ahead, teach her some tricks on the felt and maybe she'll teach you some of 'her tricks' in exchange.

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dont forget the "not being good at poker" part.

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Look, say whatever you want. I've played a total of 6 tournaments. I've won or cashed in 4 of them. You can tell me I'm stupid and that it's all my fault for what happened, but with that history of wins vs. losses, you can't say I suck at poker.
If it's not enough tournaments to base whether or not I'm a winning player, then I guess you will just have to give me more time and wait and see.

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sample size?

nh third leveling doyle for monies though...

life rule #1: dont give your money to old men who put their penis on your back, ez

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brandi-
i think any person of the character that you describe yourself as would have a very difficult time finding any degree of fulfillment in the scummy world of poker. when you compound this with the fact that you are a young and attractive woman with seemingly little emotional stability- i think it becomes clear that you are headed down the completely wrong path. just my two cents. as for your bankroll situation coupled with your lack of experience, i'm really at a loss- for whatever reason you coose to make yourself completely dependent on others and then are totally unhappy about it afterwards. if you really want to play poker why dont you get a job and grind poker on the side and really earn your success. either way sorry you are feeling so [censored], keep your head up, zach

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FF,

google for "Duke"+"lacrosse"+"rape"+DNA not theirs"+"she lied about not having sex that day"

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BluffThis!,

I guess that would prove that the Duke lacrosse players didn't rape that girl. Meanwhile, googling "rape" would prove that not all women are crying wolf. Please stop posting this tripe: whether or not she is telling the truth, we can't really tell just by generalizing about women's sexual harassment claims.

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ggbman,

Your gullibility disgusts me.

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I would rather be gullible than be a retarded old [censored] who has nothing better to do with his life than watch Durrr play PLO and wait for him to misplay a hand so i can post it on some message board, or go out and call people who i dont know and are obviously emotionally troubled whores and liars.

As it pertains to me being gullible, i am not really... I don't know this girl at all and have no reason to take her word over his. However it seems to me highly unlikely that she made the entire thing up from scatch, and i could co-oberate some of the stuff she said since i know some of the parties involved.

In any event, my reaction to you wasn't as much meant to be defense to her charecter as it was just my gut reaction to the way you come off. If there even a chance what she said is true, particularly the part about being sexually harassed, it's ridiculously inappropraite to conduct yourself the way you did. I don't know why you hold these harsh views towards women, maybe a few of them conned you and broke your heart or something. I am not gullible, i would never handle the situation the way she did, but that doesn't mean you can't still be a decent person and realize the potential gravity about some of the stuff that was in there. If you don't know all the facts, talking the way you were is retarded. I guess it just goes to show that even though you are 3x my age or whatever, you haven't mentally passed through puberity yet. Bummer.

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RJ (P.I.T.T.M.) :

It's difficult to read your posts, as my head just keeps bouncing looking at your picture. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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ggbman,

Her constantly using sex to sell herself as witnessed by her pics, plus her nutty stories, and her asking for money transfers to her stars account in the other thread, all add up to her being as bad as any scumbag she meets. When two scumbags meet up and one gets taken advantage of, the "victim" is still a scumbag.


Edited to add: I view most hustlers of any stripe in any "game" as scumbags.

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dont forget the "not being good at poker" part.

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Look, say whatever you want. I've played a total of 6 tournaments. I've won or cashed in 4 of them. You can tell me I'm stupid and that it's all my fault for what happened, but with that history of wins vs. losses, you can't say I suck at poker.
If it's not enough tournaments to base whether or not I'm a winning player, then I guess you will just have to give me more time and wait and see.

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i played with you in the mega sat to festa wpt, and on the bubble you were doing the stupidiest [censored] i've ever seen. you were like 2nd or 3rd in chips w/ 25 left w/ 24 who get seats and you're playing big pots against the only guy who can bust you, or insta calling all ins w/ A3o against guys who can take half your chips and perhaps give you a chance of busting when you can fold into a seat because "you were bored."

listen, you might be ok, but it sounds like you haven't exactly put hundreds of thousands of hands and hundreds of hours playing poker like many of the successful players on this board and on the tournament circuit have.

alot of these guys, don't have much reason to stake you otherwise than to sleep with you because you aren't a winning player, and that's just the truth.

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Once I had enough chips to ensure my seat, I stopping playing hands. When we needed only one person out, I did make a call with A3O in BB again SB. It was not something I would do in a tournament, but since I already had my seat and we only needed ONE person out, I took the chance against his obvious pocket pair that my ace might catch and we could all go to dinner/bed. And by the way idiot ~ he was extremely short stacked. I doubled him up and still was more thank okay with chips.

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Or/and because most people lack the maturity the tell an unbiased version of a story which has them this emotionally charged. I think it's fine if Shane, who knows her and probably has more information than anyone wants to call her out on that, but you have no more information than anyone else here. I would bet 99.something percent of the time here, the truth is somewhere between the version she gave us and the version Tom Franklin would give us. I personally find it dumb for you to interject yourself into this thread suggesting "Oh maybe shes just NUTS" because any non-retarded person here deduce that

a.) this girl is [censored] up over whatever happened
b.) while she probably contributed to the situation, she probably also was a victim to at least some extent here

So why do you feel the need to be a total schmuck?

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why are you feeling the need to be captain save a xxx? this is NVG afterall and bluffthis has a right to state his opinion on this juicy story. now if this was posted in psychology or general maybe it would get some more serious and helpful replies.

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Because this is a women talking about being sexually assulted, so believe it or not it's kinda serious, and people non-challently calling her a whore for no reason and citing the Duke lacross case as a reference to why she is obviously lying should be called out. Just because it's in NVG doesn't make it more acceptable than if it happened to your mom or sister and it was discussed in the New York Times... it's distustingly wrong either way.

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Did I miss something? Where is the part about the croissants and the homemade pear jam?

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brandi hawbaker

the other white meat

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Hilarious ROFLMO

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is it just me, or does it seem like we have some serious women-haters around here?

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ggbman and all: Can a hooker or stripper get raped? The answer is of course she can. However unlike other women to whom those terms don't apply, it might be rightly said "she asked for it".

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I think its pretty clear that you are not good at poker. The rest seems debatable

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bluffthis- if you killed yourself the world would be a far more pleasant place

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ggbman,

Her constantly using sex to sell herself as witnessed by her pics, plus her nutty stories, and her asking for money transfers to her stars account in the other thread, all add up to her being as bad as any scumbag she meets. When two scumbags meet up and one gets taken advantage of, the "victim" is still a scumbag.


Edited to add: I view most hustlers of any stripe in any "game" as scumbags.

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Bluff,

Jessica Simpson kinda uses sex to sell herself a little bit, and she claims to have been a virgin until she was married. Whether or not that is true isn't of all that much importance, but someone doing a sexy photo shoot doesn't give you cart blanche to hop into bed naked with her.

Right now you are reminding me of some college frat bpy (who isn't in my frat, cuz we are all good guys obv [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]) who says "We were making out dude, so even if she said no once or twice i thought it would be fine to have sex with her, she was such a tease."

I mean come on dude, you are making this too easy for me, her using sexuality to advance her career doesn't mean anything she claimed to have happened is acceptable.

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Let's get back to discussing the specifics of her amazing story. We had repossesed cars, Thanksgiving dinners eaten alone, Doyle Brunson handing over cash, naked old dudes sticking their penis's in girls' backs, drug overdoses and so much more!

Let's focus on the fun stuff again!

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MB,

I nor other skeptics here don't hate women. It's just that we aren't so gullible as some regarding women who hang around the poker world and poolhalls and strip clubs and such.