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I sent in an e-mail asking why the hell they only do one hour shows. Seems ridiculous they give Durrrrr and Nick Schulman the same amount of interview time as a tournament director in Canada nobody gives a crap about. It's rare you get guests of this quality PokerRoad, don't try to make it as short as possible.

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how great is it when Gavin Smith tells durrr that Annette is probably better at poker than him lol

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how great is it when Gavin Smith tells durrr that Annette is probably better at poker than him lol

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how is it possible to be a high profile professional player like gavin, and be this ignorant about the poker world?
how do they not realize that their question of online pros vs live pros is the easiest question in the world to answer.
its so embarrassing, at least bart knows whats really going on.

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To be fair Gavin in one of the recent shows gave the online players a lot of credit and basically called them sick good.
I think he even remarked that he was a little scared.
My impression is that it's actually more Sebok who doesn't really understand or respect the online players and online poker in general.

That they don't, unlike the online cash games players, consider live tournament players complete donks, shouldn't really be all that suprising.

But I agree that it is a little embarrassing sometimes how ignorant they come across regarding the online poker world.
Scott Huff and Haralabob too, who I really like btw, I think he one time, wouldn't even acknowledge online poker as "real poker".

And yes more detailed and not least longer poker strategy talk with truly great players like Durrr, Schulman and Barry too when he was on would of course have been appreciated.

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My impression is that it's actually more Sebok who doesn't really understand or respect the online players and online poker in general.

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agreed...Gavin has a lot more of a clue...joe wouldn't even acknowledge that he'd be a huge dog in a 200/400 game

when gavin said to durrr...say me and sebok sat down in a 200/400 game online and ill admit wed probably be dogs...joe said well i dont know about that...but gavin and durr just ignored him and went on with their conversation

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how great is it when Gavin Smith tells durrr that Annette is probably better at poker than him lol

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how is it possible to be a high profile professional player like gavin, and be this ignorant about the poker world?
how do they not realize that their question of online pros vs live pros is the easiest question in the world to answer.
its so embarrassing, at least bart knows whats really going on.

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well i think he was being really sarcastic and durrr had a little chuckle over it

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Yeah, people in this thread take stuff way too seriously. Gavin was just needling Durrrr, and Sebok acknowledges that he's not a cash game player.

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how great is it when Gavin Smith tells durrr that Annette is probably better at poker than him lol

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how is it possible to be a high profile professional player like gavin, and be this ignorant about the poker world?
how do they not realize that their question of online pros vs live pros is the easiest question in the world to answer.
its so embarrassing, at least bart knows whats really going on.

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Is it so unthinkable that annette_15 might be a better tournament player (think short-stack poker) than durrr? Don't get me wrong, I'm sure he'd kill her in a deep stacked (if I can call 100BB+ deep) cash game. And I also have no doubt that good cash games players are better at tournaments than tournament players are at cash games. Just think someone with the experience of annette might know a thing or two about tournaments and short-stacked play that durrr doesn't.. (ducks)

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how great is it when Gavin Smith tells durrr that Annette is probably better at poker than him lol

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how is it possible to be a high profile professional player like gavin, and be this ignorant about the poker world?
how do they not realize that their question of online pros vs live pros is the easiest question in the world to answer.
its so embarrassing, at least bart knows whats really going on.

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Is it so unthinkable that annette_15 might be a better tournament player (think short-stack poker) than durrr? Don't get me wrong, I'm sure he'd kill her in a deep stacked (if I can call 100BB+ deep) cash game. And I also have no doubt that good cash games players are better at tournaments than tournament players are at cash games. Just think someone with the experience of annette might know a thing or two about tournaments and short-stacked play that durrr doesn't.. (ducks)

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He didn't say "short stacked tourney player" he said "poker player"

Btw, I don't get all the fuss over Durrr's voice. Who gives a crap what his voice sounds like, he is an excellent interview, and the point of this thread should remain on the travesty of Joe and Gavin ruining what could have been an amazing discussion by being such goofdicks. Btw, there is a place for being goofdicks, say when you have Khan on the show.. But please ease off on the goofdick pedal when you have a guest of substance.

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how great is it when Gavin Smith tells durrr that Annette is probably better at poker than him lol

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how is it possible to be a high profile professional player like gavin, and be this ignorant about the poker world?
how do they not realize that their question of online pros vs live pros is the easiest question in the world to answer.
its so embarrassing, at least bart knows whats really going on.

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Is it so unthinkable that annette_15 might be a better tournament player (think short-stack poker) than durrr? Don't get me wrong, I'm sure he'd kill her in a deep stacked (if I can call 100BB+ deep) cash game. And I also have no doubt that good cash games players are better at tournaments than tournament players are at cash games. Just think someone with the experience of annette might know a thing or two about tournaments and short-stacked play that durrr doesn't.. (ducks)

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He didn't say "short stacked tourney player" he said "poker player"

Btw, I don't get all the fuss over Durrr's voice. Who gives a crap what his voice sounds like, he is an excellent interview, and the point of this thread should remain on the travesty of Joe and Gavin ruining what could have been an amazing discussion by being such goofdicks. Btw, there is a place for being goofdicks, say when you have Khan on the show.. But please ease off on the goofdick pedal when you have a guest of substance.

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If he said poker player then I agree with you. Certainly I don't see what I said that was a bannable offence.. (hint: I am Levi_X from above. I got banned for my comment).

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To be fair Gavin in one of the recent shows gave the online players a lot of credit and basically called them sick good.
I think he even remarked that he was a little scared.
My impression is that it's actually more Sebok who doesn't really understand or respect the online players and online poker in general.

That they don't, unlike the online cash games players, consider live tournament players complete donks, shouldn't really be all that suprising.

But I agree that it is a little embarrassing sometimes how ignorant they come across regarding the online poker world.
Scott Huff and Haralabob too, who I really like btw, I think he one time, wouldn't even acknowledge online poker as "real poker".

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I think it's the online players who don't get it. Although I like to rattle the cage of the young players, the truth is we are all poker players, but the young ones honed their craft on the Internet, because that is the place you can play a lot of poker nowadays.

In a live setting, these players need to learn the differences and I'm sure they will. In a live setting, the live pros are currently better, but some people misjudge this because the online players are mostly nolimit holdem specialists, as I was when I was in my twenties. It's hard to beat a good specialist at his game.

Phil Ivey and Patrik are the two biggest online winners of the last few years, and they learned poker live. David Benyamine is extremely good, but he puts himself in bad situations. Gus does things live that don't work as well when he plays online.

I think as a generalization I would say the online players are technically superior in nolimit holdem, but lack the feel.

I have only seen two young players who have good all around games: Nich Schulman and Mike McKenna (madcaddy). There were many so-called internet players in the HORSE tournament, but none even made it in the money.

Of course, I always put my money where my mouth is in the form of a crossbook, and I think I'm a favorite in a big live tournament against any of the young guns. I'm just glad Brian Townsend didn't put Durrr on his crossbook team as I expected him to.


Barry

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To be fair Gavin in one of the recent shows gave the online players a lot of credit and basically called them sick good.
I think he even remarked that he was a little scared.
My impression is that it's actually more Sebok who doesn't really understand or respect the online players and online poker in general.

That they don't, unlike the online cash games players, consider live tournament players complete donks, shouldn't really be all that suprising.

But I agree that it is a little embarrassing sometimes how ignorant they come across regarding the online poker world.
Scott Huff and Haralabob too, who I really like btw, I think he one time, wouldn't even acknowledge online poker as "real poker".

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I think it's the online players who don't get it. Although I like to rattle the cage of the young players, the truth is we are all poker players, but the young ones honed their craft on the Internet, because that is the place you can play a lot of poker nowadays.

In a live setting, these players need to learn the differences and I'm sure they will. In a live setting, the live pros are currently better, but some people misjudge this because the online players are mostly nolimit holdem specialists, as I was when I was in my twenties. It's hard to beat a good specialist at his game.

Phil Ivey and Patrik are the two biggest online winners of the last few years, and they learned poker live. David Benyamine is extremely good, but he puts himself in bad situations. Gus does things live that don't work as well when he plays online.

I think as a generalization I would say the online players are technically superior in nolimit holdem, but lack the feel.

I have only seen two young players who have good all around games: Nich Schulman and Mike McKenna (madcaddy). There were many so-called internet players in the HORSE tournament, but none even made it in the money.

Of course, I always put my money where my mouth is in the form of a crossbook, and I think I'm a favorite in a big live tournament against any of the young guns. I'm just glad Brian Townsend didn't put Durrr on his crossbook team as I expected him to.


Barry

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Is this actually true?

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Patrik Antonius learned poker online.

I know ZeeJustin cashed in the HORSE event and he's an online player as well. I don't know if any other internet players cashed, but you can't say that none of them cashed.

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To be fair Gavin in one of the recent shows gave the online players a lot of credit and basically called them sick good.
I think he even remarked that he was a little scared.
My impression is that it's actually more Sebok who doesn't really understand or respect the online players and online poker in general.

That they don't, unlike the online cash games players, consider live tournament players complete donks, shouldn't really be all that suprising.

But I agree that it is a little embarrassing sometimes how ignorant they come across regarding the online poker world.
Scott Huff and Haralabob too, who I really like btw, I think he one time, wouldn't even acknowledge online poker as "real poker".

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I think it's the online players who don't get it. Although I like to rattle the cage of the young players, the truth is we are all poker players, but the young ones honed their craft on the Internet, because that is the place you can play a lot of poker nowadays.

In a live setting, these players need to learn the differences and I'm sure they will. In a live setting, the live pros are currently better, but some people misjudge this because the online players are mostly nolimit holdem specialists, as I was when I was in my twenties. It's hard to beat a good specialist at his game.

Phil Ivey and Patrik are the two biggest online winners of the last few years, and they learned poker live. David Benyamine is extremely good, but he puts himself in bad situations. Gus does things live that don't work as well when he plays online.

I think as a generalization I would say the online players are technically superior in nolimit holdem, but lack the feel.

I have only seen two young players who have good all around games: Nich Schulman and Mike McKenna (madcaddy). There were many so-called internet players in the HORSE tournament, but none even made it in the money.

Of course, I always put my money where my mouth is in the form of a crossbook, and I think I'm a favorite in a big live tournament against any of the young guns. I'm just glad Brian Townsend didn't put Durrr on his crossbook team as I expected him to.


Barry

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i think the argument in this case had nothing to do with guys like ivey and patrik

this is the case of people who play strictly live tournaments...if you take someone who ONLY plays live tournaments and put them up against someone who plays 10-20 tournaments online a day...there is no comparison

to be honest, durrr would have been a really bad pick for Brian in the prop bet as he never plays tournaments, his success only goes to show how a top notch online cash player can easily crush these live tournaments

yes the top 20 live players can play with the top 20 online players...but the players in the top 10-70th percentile online would destroy the live players of that same category and it is not even close

most if not all successful online cash player (who have shown it over a reasonable "long run" would be +EV in a WPT tournament

very few people who have won over a million dollars on the tournament trail could hold thier own in high cash games (both online and live)

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Patrik Antonius learned poker online.

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Not gonna dwell on this one but I think you're wrong and I assume Barry has a better idea than you.

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I know ZeeJustin cashed in the HORSE event

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Wrong.

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Barry,
can you tell us which players are on the rosters for this online vs pro crossbook?
also, who do u think would have an edge in the following -
live brick and mortar NL cash game:
townsend, durrr, antonius, 2 others [maybe galfond, urindanger, whoever the best 5 online are]

VS

any five people in the world you wanted to choose. including yourself, or ivey

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To be fair Gavin in one of the recent shows gave the online players a lot of credit and basically called them sick good.
I think he even remarked that he was a little scared.
My impression is that it's actually more Sebok who doesn't really understand or respect the online players and online poker in general.

That they don't, unlike the online cash games players, consider live tournament players complete donks, shouldn't really be all that suprising.

But I agree that it is a little embarrassing sometimes how ignorant they come across regarding the online poker world.
Scott Huff and Haralabob too, who I really like btw, I think he one time, wouldn't even acknowledge online poker as "real poker".

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I think it's the online players who don't get it. Although I like to rattle the cage of the young players, the truth is we are all poker players, but the young ones honed their craft on the Internet, because that is the place you can play a lot of poker nowadays.

In a live setting, these players need to learn the differences and I'm sure they will. In a live setting, the live pros are currently better, but some people misjudge this because the online players are mostly nolimit holdem specialists, as I was when I was in my twenties. It's hard to beat a good specialist at his game.

Phil Ivey and Patrik are the two biggest online winners of the last few years, and they learned poker live. David Benyamine is extremely good, but he puts himself in bad situations. Gus does things live that don't work as well when he plays online.

I think as a generalization I would say the online players are technically superior in nolimit holdem, but lack the feel.

I have only seen two young players who have good all around games: Nich Schulman and Mike McKenna (madcaddy). There were many so-called internet players in the HORSE tournament, but none even made it in the money.

Of course, I always put my money where my mouth is in the form of a crossbook, and I think I'm a favorite in a big live tournament against any of the young guns. I'm just glad Brian Townsend didn't put Durrr on his crossbook team as I expected him to.


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Barry, Do you think that the proposed scenario of having the top 20 of both live/online players compete in an online and live tourney would prove anything? They had mentioned it on the show and to me I don't believe that would prove anything at all. It's still just too small of a sample. Would 50 tourneys in each setting be a good enough sample? 100?

I have an idea for a tourney series.
$10M per team - 2 teams, online and live, 20 per team
50 Tourneys online and 50 live (so you get a semi-good sample)
1/2 prizepool goes to individual tourney's, 1/2 to overall team structure - so this way each person is competing against everyone, not just opposite team (no team play like Pokerbowl, though)
Per Tourney payout (assuming $10M per team)
1st - $55k
2nd - $20k
3rd - $15k
4th - $10k

Then with the team payout the winning team would split the remaining $10M. Scoring for teams would be as follows (least amount of total points wins)
1st - 1 point
40th - 40 points

Obviously this would only work if people had the time and resources to play as it would be $200k per person and to play 100 tournaments in addition to what people normally play would be difficult, but I think if the amount of money is high enough it could happen.

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Barry,
can you tell us which players are on the rosters for this online vs pro crossbook?
also, who do u think would have an edge in the following -
live brick and mortar NL cash game:
townsend, durrr, antonius, 2 others [maybe galfond, urindanger, whoever the best 5 online are]

VS

any five people in the world you wanted to choose. including yourself, or ivey

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see this is where the people who are arguing pro-online hurt the case...why go after the top 5 people live...they are insignificant in the argument...it would not be smart for any combination of the top 5 live players to play the top five online players and visa-versa

the argument should be:

1. That someone who has had success on the 10K+ buyin tournament circuit will for the most part be an underdog when put into a cash game (either online or lvie) with players who consistently beat online games

and

2. These same successful live 10K+ buyin tournament players will be dogs at a tournament table (both live and online) against players who consistently beat online tournaments and have played far many hands and tournaments to show a great understanding of their skill over variance

these 2 points go towards the majority of players...not the elite tournament players who also beat live high stakes cash games

barry, I would be surprised if you honestly disagree with these 2 arguments

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to be honest, durrr would have been a really bad pick for Brian in the prop bet as he never plays tournaments

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He only just turned 21.

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his success only goes to show how a top notch online cash player can easily crush these live tournaments

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Are you serious?

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his success only goes to show how a top notch online cash player can easily crush these live tournaments

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Are you serious?

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QFT, I laughed when I read this.

Durr has been playing live tourneys since he turned 21 and openly said he got raped in the WSOP, and this is his first huge cash that I've heard of. No doubt he is a great player but saying he can crush them just because he won a ton of flips since day 1 is ridiculous. He even said himself in the interview early in the tournament that he was flopping the nuts every hand, so if he can be humble I don't get why fanboys can't.

I think a better statement would be "his success shows that when a thinking player plays good and runs good they can make it farther than a tourney donk" which I doubt anyone can argue with.

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I think Zee Justin busted 1 short of the money in the HORSE.

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[/ QUOTE ] to be honest, durrr would have been a really bad pick for Brian in the prop bet as he never plays tournaments, his success only goes to show how a top notch online cash player can easily crush these live tournaments

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I'm pretty sure that in this very interview, durrr said he's played 14 tournys since turning 21.

Also, I wonder how long it's gonna take for people to realize that online poker and live poker are completely different, and that comparing them is kind of fruitless.

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EWS87 -
your main point is about tournament players vs cash game players [regardless live or online] and i think your point is obv correct and that anyone who disputed it obv knows nothing.
MY main point is the overall ability of the elite young online cash players vs the "rugged old school" live players. and that i think the kids would run circles around them

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his success only goes to show how a top notch online cash player can easily crush these live tournaments

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Are you serious?

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QFT, I laughed when I read this.

Durr has been playing live tourneys since he turned 21 and openly said he got raped in the WSOP, and this is his first huge cash that I've heard of. No doubt he is a great player but saying he can crush them just because he won a ton of flips since day 1 is ridiculous. He even said himself in the interview early in the tournament that he was flopping the nuts every hand, so if he can be humble I don't get why fanboys can't.

I think a better statement would be "his success shows that when a thinking player plays good and runs good they can make it farther than a tourney donk" which I doubt anyone can argue with.

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yea your right...so lets crossbook...ill get durrr and you can take ted lawson

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EWS87 -
your main point is about tournament players vs cash game players [regardless live or online] and i think your point is obv correct and that anyone who disputed it obv knows nothing.
MY main point is the overall ability of the elite young online cash players vs the "rugged old school" live players. and that i think the kids would run circles around them

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they absolutely would...but i just may have misunderstood your other post and thought you were lumping guys like barry and ivey in there when you ask who he would take top 5 vs top 5...because the old rugged pros you were talking about def aren't top 5 live

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Wow, hate on Gavin Smith much. Dude, show some respect for one of the best players in poker, he has every right to say whatever he wants on the show. I listen to the show because Gavin is on it and is very entertaining, informative about poker. Sure, durrrr may play at higher limits but that doesnt mean Gavin doesnt have every right to be there along with the FOUNDER OF POKERROAD JOE SEBOK!

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I can tolerate Bart, but I would looooooove it if they bring back Joe Stapleton, only a matter of time before they realize that Stapes is better for that show, bring back Joey Stapes and let Bart do a show with Huff.

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Wow, hate on Gavin Smith much. Dude, show some respect for one of the best players in poker, he has every right to say whatever he wants on the show. I listen to the show because Gavin is on it and is very entertaining, informative about poker. Sure, durrrr may play at higher limits but that doesnt mean Gavin doesnt have every right to be there along with the FOUNDER OF POKERROAD JOE SEBOK!

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Eugene Todd is that you bro?

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Thats your OPINION, its not a fact and you are simply wrong about them being "idiots". Like your an authority figure dude - lol at your stupid hating post.

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Nice, 1 post and someone got it!!! Nice!!!!!!!!

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i enjoyed that interview. the hosts talk over each other too much though and have some weird obsession with online vs live poker players.

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Of course not, these idiots just love to hate on a guy. They are [censored] clown shoes.

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Online player vs. live player grudge match would be awesome fun.

I'm quite sure that any of the top NLHE online guys would love to play some high stakes deep stack NLHE with any of the "live pros", and for the most part the live pros have never taken them up on that.

I'm sure that if Gavin or Joe wanted to play a $100k freezeout someone here would take that action in about 2 seconds [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

(BTW playing 9-handed in a big field full of droolers is a very different scenario; guys like DN and PH would be huge dogs in a HU match but are probably favorites to last longer in a WSOP field)

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I have an idea for a tourney series.
$10M per team - 2 teams, online and live, 20 per team
50 Tourneys online and 50 live (so you get a semi-good sample)
1/2 prizepool goes to individual tourney's, 1/2 to overall team structure - so this way each person is competing against everyone, not just opposite team (no team play like Pokerbowl, though)
Per Tourney payout (assuming $10M per team)
1st - $55k
2nd - $20k
3rd - $15k
4th - $10k

Then with the team payout the winning team would split the remaining $10M. Scoring for teams would be as follows (least amount of total points wins)
1st - 1 point
40th - 40 points

Obviously this would only work if people had the time and resources to play as it would be $200k per person and to play 100 tournaments in addition to what people normally play would be difficult, but I think if the amount of money is high enough it could happen.

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This would never work. Poker is an individual game. The minute you have a teammate or begin to think about the overall standings/points etc...it completely changes the way you play. If the other 8 players at the table aren't all villains, then softplaying, chipdumping and other factors would come into play. Example...3 online players and 2 cash game players remain in the 100th event and the online players need the top 3 spots to win the title, they would never attempt to knock out one of their 'teammates'and lose 50% of the prize pool. Team Poker does not work.

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If this is considered spam then delete but I am posting it because it relates to the topic thread.

In the same episode as this the guys suggested setting up a pokerroad forum. By no means to compete with 2+2 but to have a home for the fans of the show.

I'm trying to organise a forum at http://pokerroad.mybb2.com/ and thought posters in this thread might be interested in joining the forum or even being a moderator and helping develop the forum.

Again, I stress I'm not trying to steal chatter away from the forum - the hosts even said they want the word to spread on these forums. I think it would just be nice to have a dedicated site for fans of the site.

I don't work for pokerroad by the way, I'm the guy who sent the e-mail that was read out on the show.

Thanks - vgjfelix.

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I have an idea for a tourney series.
$10M per team - 2 teams, online and live, 20 per team
50 Tourneys online and 50 live (so you get a semi-good sample)
1/2 prizepool goes to individual tourney's, 1/2 to overall team structure - so this way each person is competing against everyone, not just opposite team (no team play like Pokerbowl, though)
Per Tourney payout (assuming $10M per team)
1st - $55k
2nd - $20k
3rd - $15k
4th - $10k

Then with the team payout the winning team would split the remaining $10M. Scoring for teams would be as follows (least amount of total points wins)
1st - 1 point
40th - 40 points

Obviously this would only work if people had the time and resources to play as it would be $200k per person and to play 100 tournaments in addition to what people normally play would be difficult, but I think if the amount of money is high enough it could happen.

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This would never work. Poker is an individual game. The minute you have a teammate or begin to think about the overall standings/points etc...it completely changes the way you play. If the other 8 players at the table aren't all villains, then softplaying, chipdumping and other factors would come into play. Example...3 online players and 2 cash game players remain in the 100th event and the online players need the top 3 spots to win the title, they would never attempt to knock out one of their 'teammates'and lose 50% of the prize pool. Team Poker does not work.

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Or instead of having team structures just double the payouts on the 100 tourneys and just keep a running total of who has done better with no monetary compensation for the team aspect, just bragging rights.

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Durrific.

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op ur a scrub. gavin is the [censored]. hes been in the game forever. dudes smart as hell if you listen to him talk bout poker. and barts the biggest deutch ever.