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lol. He sounds like a real loser! Maybe why he gets invited to all the big home games in town, right? Wish I could get invited to a billionaires home to play a cash game. I'll have to try and work on making some -ev plays. After I win the ME of course.

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Also: the billionaires all invite Hellmuth because of his tournament record, because they want to test their skills against the person they believe is the best in the world, and they can afford what they'll lose to pay for the experience.

More interesting to me is how clear it is that all the top pros also want Phil in their cash games. If he was as good as the OP believes, surely they'd all want him to stay away, but that's not the impression I get watching HSP at all.

Also, the best player in the world is obviously Amarillo Slim. How many times was Helmuth on the Johnny Carson show? I rest my case.

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OP's point is he cracked HU at aussie millions and hasn't done anything since yet Phil H continues to get bracelet over bracelet.

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Thank you for confirming that you are indeed a big dumb idiot.

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Has Hellmuth won a $10,000 buy in event since he won the 1989 main event, or come close?

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OP's point is he cracked HU at aussie millions and hasn't done anything since yet Phil H continues to get bracelet over bracelet. Whether you think WSOP bracelets are a measure of tourney skill or lol donkaments, he deserves more respect than most ppl give him.

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GOBBO has opinions:
ice cream is delicious
cookies are awesome
exercise is not fun
its smart to say all other player suck on tv
it is surprising when Full Tilt doesnt like me after I DO EVERYTHING WRONG

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Yes, because Gobbo has played a HUGE number of WSOP Hold'em tournaments... or 10K buy-in tournaments for that matter...

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OP's point is he cracked HU at aussie millions and hasn't done anything since yet Phil H continues to get bracelet over bracelet. Whether you think WSOP bracelets are a measure of tourney skill or lol donkaments, he deserves more respect than most ppl give him.

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who the hell am I flaming here idiot? Im ssying one guy needs to be more humble and one guy deserves more respect.

do you even read posts or just insert a random 'look I'm cool' reply

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OP's point is he cracked HU at aussie millions and hasn't done anything since yet Phil H continues to get bracelet over bracelet. Whether you think WSOP bracelets are a measure of tourney skill or lol donkaments, he deserves more respect than most ppl give him.

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who the hell am I flaming here idiot? Im ssying one guy needs to be more humble and one guy deserves more respect.

do you even read posts or just insert a random 'look I'm cool' reply

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as stated earlier, you are a big dumb idiot.

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omg this is amazing

[/ QUOTE ] lol, thats why you lay down the K6. pure gold, cause your gauranteed to pick up Aces the next hand. Then taking insurance with Aces vs 47o.

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He's had a couple of deep runs since 2003. I'm no Hellmuth fanboy, but credit where credit is due. The guy cashes in and wins a lot of live tournaments. From this we can infer that he probably isn't the worst tournament hold 'em player out there. Beyond that, who the heck knows. As for other games, it seems pretty clear. When the cash game regulars are willing to build games around him, you can be pretty sure that the consensus is that he, how do you say, "lacks edge" in those games.

http://www.cardplayer.com/tournaments/results/7083
25K WPT championship - 18
http://www.cardplayer.com/tournaments/results/3718
Heads up championship - 1
http://www.cardplayer.com/tournaments/results/2373
Foxwoods WPO - 3
http://www.cardplayer.com/tournaments/results/3744
Jack Binion's WPO - 8

Bunch of other wins and final tables in smaller events...

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Has Hellmuth won a $10,000 buy in event since he won the 1989 main event, or come close?

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http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/even...=r&n=12405

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so ppl folding to you is good?
apposed to trying to make moves on you?
are call you down light?

I dont think either one is better than the other. All 3 (tight, regular, aggressive) are the same IMO.

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in my (admittedly limited) experience from playing with hellmuth deep in the event he eventually won, he would constantly make very small raises pf, followed up by VERY small bets on postflop streets. these bets would get enormous amounts of respect and people would play very straightforward against him because they knew that if they did something phil considered wrong, he was going to publicly shame them for their bad play. this was much more true of amateur players than the experienced players at the table, who didn't care. for experience, while i was there, jon turner (pearljammer online) absolutely ran hellmuth over.

amateurs are often a lot more concerned with being thought of as good players than they are with actually being good players. this is why you see people take 5 minutes after every hand they play to explain to you and anyone else that will listen exactly why they did what they did.

edit: also, i just wanted to say, that his style is definitely effective, given his persona. he's a smart guy and he's good at tournaments. i just don't think that any serious poker player would rank phil in like... the top 100, maybe not the top 500 cash game players in the world. certainly not online, where his people-reading skills (which are probably underestimated by most online guys) aren't there to make up for his poor/outdated fundamentals.

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Has Hellmuth won a $10,000 buy in event since he won the 1989 main event, or come close?

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http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/even...=r&n=12405

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Thought that was an invitational (no buyin)

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how the hell has hellmuth won omaha hi/lo tournaments (regardless of buy in)?! It was PAINFUL watching him trying to play it in the $50k horse tourny.

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GOBBO has opinions:
ice cream is delicious
cookies are awesome
exercise is not fun
its smart to say all other player suck on tv
it is surprising when Full Tilt doesnt like me after I DO EVERYTHING WRONG

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We get it Gobboboy is obese. Any other original observations you comedic genius?

Now back under the bridge for you.

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GOBBO has opinions:
ice cream is delicious
cookies are awesome
exercise is not fun
its smart to say all other player suck on tv
it is surprising when Full Tilt doesnt like me after I DO EVERYTHING WRONG

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We get it Gobboboy is obese. Any other original observations you comedic genius?

Now back under the bridge for you.

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the last two lines werent about his alarming obesity for a guy under 20. the last two lines were about him insulting his competition at Aussie Millions (bad sportsmanship and low-class) and then his surprisingly naive reaction when Full Tilt wanted nothing to do with his socially incompetent self.

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Well you won't be coming to my birthday party.

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Hey, gobboboy. Thought you played pretty well at the AM from what we saw. I'm wondering, has your opinion about Gus changed, considering his game has changed immensely over the past few years. Or did you always find him to be a good tournament HE player?

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He's fine. Played pretty well. From the play in the tournament I have nothing bad to say about him at all other than he let me control the table 3 handed when he shouldn't have.

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Mm, well you had the chip lead during most of the final three iirc, so it looked hard to contain your aggressiveness. Unfortunate that he got overly lucky heads up.

Back to the thread though: Hellmuth often says that he has hardly ever had a big loss playing HE cash games. I've also spoken to many who have played with him and they seem to corroborate this. Is it an exaggeration or is he a bigger loser than winner, and how would any of us really know, when all we have televised is a few hands from hsp. Also, in laments terms, it's well known that Hellmuth says he initially purposelessly plays hands bad for some sort of setting up play or something. I'm just recycling this as you probably already know, but what's your take on all that?

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Mm, well you had the chip lead during most of the final three iirc, so it looked hard to contain your aggressiveness. Unfortunate that he got overly lucky heads up.

Back to the thread though: Hellmuth often says that he has hardly ever had a big loss playing HE cash games. I've also spoken to many who have played with him and they seem to corroborate this. Is it an exaggeration or is he a bigger loser than winner, and how would any of us really know, when all we have televised is a few hands from hsp. Also, in laments terms, it's well known that Hellmuth says he initially purposelessly plays hands bad for some sort of setting up play or something. I'm just recycling this as you probably already know, but what's your take on all that?

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are you blind? Gus got sucked out on for a 9M pot ffs. Yes he was hit with the deck but he didnt bluff once, just played position and Gobboboy imploded

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Mm, well you had the chip lead during most of the final three iirc, so it looked hard to contain your aggressiveness. Unfortunate that he got overly lucky heads up.

Back to the thread though: Hellmuth often says that he has hardly ever had a big loss playing HE cash games. I've also spoken to many who have played with him and they seem to corroborate this. Is it an exaggeration or is he a bigger loser than winner, and how would any of us really know, when all we have televised is a few hands from hsp. Also, in laments terms, it's well known that Hellmuth says he initially purposelessly plays hands bad for some sort of setting up play or something. I'm just recycling this as you probably already know, but what's your take on all that?

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are you blind? Gus got sucked out on for a 9M pot ffs. Yes he was hit with the deck but he didnt bluff once, just played position and Gobboboy imploded

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Do you know what playing position even means? He just flopped top pair or better every hand and I never had anything.

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Mm, well you had the chip lead during most of the final three iirc, so it looked hard to contain your aggressiveness. Unfortunate that he got overly lucky heads up.

Back to the thread though: Hellmuth often says that he has hardly ever had a big loss playing HE cash games. I've also spoken to many who have played with him and they seem to corroborate this. Is it an exaggeration or is he a bigger loser than winner, and how would any of us really know, when all we have televised is a few hands from hsp. Also, in laments terms, it's well known that Hellmuth says he initially purposelessly plays hands bad for some sort of setting up play or something. I'm just recycling this as you probably already know, but what's your take on all that?

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are you blind? Gus got sucked out on for a 9M pot ffs. Yes he was hit with the deck but he didnt bluff once, just played position and Gobboboy imploded

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how has no one eliminated you yet?