Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

So in your mind does a credible "expert" have to be 100% right. Nat may or may not be right but imo he is still a credible "expert". Added quotes as I do not think an expert in this field can be truly defined.

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

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I also think it's hilarious that he seems to be annoyed at Dan Druff throwing accusations at him then he him self goes on to make backhand accusations like "it coulda happened on stars, ftp" etc.

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Now with this, I definitely agree.

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

It is all lies. Mark Seif speaks the truth.

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

This is 100% what I expected to see out of this, the video changes nothing to me. Obv Seif is not going to be able to keep a straight face talking about how AP management is doing a great job, but this is what the guy is paid to do and he had to try.

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

"AJ Green seemed like the type of guy you would find in a sportsbook," stated professional poker player Mark Seif "He had a free spirit....He liked to party, he had long hair...we certainly did not talk about any hole cards."

LOL

"I think this type of incident could have happen on Poker Stars, I think it could have happened at Full Tilt. I think it could happen anywhere. The real issue is how the company handles it after the fact!"

LOOOOOOOOL

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

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It is all lies. Mark Seif speaks the truth.

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lol nice



For a professional poker player, he can't hide his body language very well.

EDIT: LOL at the American way reference, putting token patriotism behind his arguments for the sake of likeability.

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

The only person who needs to worry about being dragged into court at this point is Mark S. At this point he needs to just stfu and crawl back into his hole.

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

for anyone who's obsessed with watching this over and over, focus on seif's eyes during the part where he talks about nat. focus. focus. did you see it?

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

I don't know, guys. I'm inclined to believe him. He said AJ Green was a free spirit who didn't mention anything about any hole cards the one time he met him. If all these allegations were true, AJ Green would probably be all uptight and telling everyone he ran into about his scheme.

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

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[ ] innocent
[x] guilty
[x] douchebag
[ ] going to sue Dan Druff

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[x] looks like a baboon

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

If he appears to be guilty. He is guilty.
If he looks guilty. He is guilty.
Just because there's no evidence to exonerate him. He's guilty.
Salem was over run by witches at one time too. They took care of them with no evidence. Hmmm.

What happened to innocent until proved guilty?

Glad you bunch aren't on a jury in a real criminal case....

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

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If he appears to be guilty. He is guilty.
If he looks guilty. He is guilty.
Just because there's no evidence to exonerate him. He's guilty.
Salem was over run by witches at one time too. They took care of them with no evidence. Hmmm.

What happened to innocent until proved guilty?

Glad you bunch aren't on a jury in a real criminal case....

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if i were innocent and on trial i would take 12 random 2+2ers with 1000+ posts over 12 random citizens 100% of the time.

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

Seif is such a d-bag

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

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Note how in the last 20 seconds his voice dropped off while he was talking about management and doing the right thing. It almost seems like he didn't believe what he was saying. It certainly isn't going to change any minds.

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Yeah, I caught that, too. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

My take is that Mark Seif seems like an intelligent guy who would NOT do something terrible like this to hurt the game.

however, this video doesn't mean anything at all.

If as i read in another post Mark did in fact lose alot of money and then make some comment like "wait a sec ur about to get killed" and then he started playing like he could see hole cards then I'm guessing he probably was involved slightly, if only for a few hands.

I however have no idea whether that actually happened or not.

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

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Eh honestly guys theres not much here, mark seif is a [censored] awkward guy-- he has shifty, bulging eyes when he sits at the poker table, and he doesnt seem like a very social guy so these interviews are probably nerve racking for him.

/end thread

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Probably true, but it's still sort of funny to watch. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

has ap really already paid back millions????

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

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has ap really already paid back millions????

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I highly doubt this

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

If Mark shows the hand history shouldn't that prove the rumors one way or another?

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

The HH's have been deleted from AP's database apparently....
and no one has a copy.

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

my opinion: he didn't necessarily look guilty, as much as ashamed. I think he knew what was going on. He might not have been on the take, but he knows Absolute is a POS and can't really defend them. He also knows he sold his soul.

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

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If he appears to be guilty. He is guilty.
If he looks guilty. He is guilty.
Just because there's no evidence to exonerate him. He's guilty.
Salem was over run by witches at one time too. They took care of them with no evidence. Hmmm.

What happened to innocent until proved guilty?

Glad you bunch aren't on a jury in a real criminal case....

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trial:jury::scandal:2p2 ?

I like your presumption that INTERNET MESSAGE BOARDS should act like TRIAL JURIES. Have you been to teh Internets before? Should we all start talking in legalese like the other troll?

BTW, aren't lawyers supposed to be good at convincing people? I think I might see why Seif is not more litigious.

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

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So in your mind does a credible "expert" have to be 100% right. Nat may or may not be right but imo he is still a credible "expert". Added quotes as I do not think an expert in this field can be truly defined.

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not 100% but maybe something close to at least 70%?

imo there is no way Nat has enough information/proof Mark's innocence to that degree.

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

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The HH's have been seifly deleted from AP's database apparently....
and no one has a copy.

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Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

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So in your mind does a credible "expert" have to be 100% right. Nat may or may not be right but imo he is still a credible "expert". Added quotes as I do not think an expert in this field can be truly defined.

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not 100% but maybe something close to at least 70%?

imo there is no way Nat has enough information/proof Mark's innocence to that degree.

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Exactly. Nat's opinion is obviously an informed one, but the way Seif refers to him as if he's a supreme court judge, really makes him come off as grasping for straws.

EVERYONE: Yeah guys, WE KNOW that we don't have the [censored] HH that proves Seif is guilty. All we're saying is that he is acting as absolutely guilty as [censored] possible, every step of the way. He's still doing this, just like how Absolute is still lying to us.

Is this how you talk when you're innocent?

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"I didn't hear a lot after that for a few days; I asked for an investigation, I was assured that one was gonna be done. And then a couple weeks ago, was when things really broke open!"

"I've met AJ Green. Uh I met him when I was in Costa Rica. Uh, I met him twice. AJ seemed like a uh, like a uh guy, you would expect to find in a sportsbook. He seemed to have a very free sprirt, seemed like a nice guy was very nice to me. Uh, he, uh, I found nothing extraordinary about him. He liked to y'know party, he had a bit of, he had long hair, he had a bit of a free spirit, but um, nothing real egregious. He uh, certainly didn't talk about uh, any hole cards. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]"

"I think this incident could occur on Poker Stars, I think it could occur on Full Tilt. I think it could occur anywhere. The real issue is how the company handles it, after the fact. That's what I'm waiting for. I'm waiting to see how Absolute Poker responds."


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And this guy plays poker and is a lawyer???

I nominate him for
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...South_Park.jpg

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

Yes I agree that nonone has sufficient info to prove guilt or innocnece at this point regardless of ther expertise.
So I guess, for now, using that one session we must all make our on decisions. A couple of days ago, in the other ABS thread, I put forward a couple of ideas that might help with that decision. I find it odd that there has not been other evidence (more sessions, HH's etc.) of his cheating. Are most people thinking it was a one time thing?

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

At about 2:35 he takes a huge guilty gulp after talking bout the bs refunds

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

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This kind of thing could happen at Poker Stars or Full Tilt

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WTF? Why even try to drag the good names of legit poker rooms into this?

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Yep thats the part that bothered me the most. That was completely unacceptable, unprofessional and very Absolute-like.

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seriously, drag everyone else through the mud; what a pos.

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

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Good poker players know he's bluffing.

[/ QUOTE ]thats what i thought. and im not the greatest ever.

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

All, I have a few questions for/about Mark Seif. I believe in the 1K tourney about a week ago Mark said that he has lost over 1 million, can anyone confirm this?

Second-In the convo with the AP Korea guy, the tech suggests Mark release say his two previous months HH's- Mark says that would disadvantage him. If he is a 1mil loser overall, I dont see how this would disadvantage him-he OBV has some major leaks in his game and this might actually help him. Also when the AP Korea guy suggested posting 2 months HH's to help him out, Mark said ( a little to quick for my taste BTW) thats not what the online community wants. Like in The Wizard of Oz where the wizard says "pay no attention to that man behind the curtain". If the last two months Mark is still a donk (lose 1mil=donk IMO) the that might help him.

Finally, can anyone graph Marks earnings from the day Stuckinpigh made his allegations until now? And the post his earnings going back the same time frame? Just curious, Thanks.

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

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[ QUOTE ]
If he appears to be guilty. He is guilty.
If he looks guilty. He is guilty.
Just because there's no evidence to exonerate him. He's guilty.
Salem was over run by witches at one time too. They took care of them with no evidence. Hmmm.

What happened to innocent until proved guilty?

Glad you bunch aren't on a jury in a real criminal case....

[/ QUOTE ]

trial:jury::scandal:2p2 ?

I like your presumption that INTERNET MESSAGE BOARDS should act like TRIAL JURIES. Have you been to teh Internets before? Should we all start talking in legalese like the other troll?

BTW, aren't lawyers supposed to be good at convincing people? I think I might see why Seif is not more litigious.

[/ QUOTE ]prob used to suck at being a lawyer and played poker instead. he came off awful in that interveiw [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

[ QUOTE ]
If he appears to be guilty. He is guilty.
If he looks guilty. He is guilty.
Just because there's no evidence to exonerate him. He's guilty.
Salem was over run by witches at one time too. They took care of them with no evidence. Hmmm.

What happened to innocent until proved guilty?

Glad you bunch aren't on a jury in a real criminal case....

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1.) This isn't a criminal case. Yet.
2.) People ARE allowed to form opinions, regardless of whether you approve.

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

Let me ask all of you a question. Do you believe that Mark was unaware of the allegations about Stuckinpigh when they were made in 06? I find it hard to believe that railbirds or other HL players didn't bring this to his attention then. Lately Mark seems very concerned about his reputation. I am just curious that Mark (if he was aware of this at the time) did nothing to address these accusations at the time. Or was it maybe a case of letting sleeping dogs lie? I am just speculating here, but it seems that the ONLY reason it wasn't addressed at that time is because Mark, if he got involved, would have to provide HH's. In the convo with the AP Korea guy, the tech says someting about moving servers or something (not a tech guy) and Mark says, yeah right(?). Like he was tech savvy. Is it possible Mark knew the retention date on HH's and didn't respond at that time for this reason? Why wait until now to start addressing the issue?

Also, I am still very curious about Mark's earnings pre and post Stuckinpigh- can someone post this going back say 3 years with the date of the Stuckinpigh allegations? Thanks

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

like others said, i was pissed when he brought the name of stars and FT into this, that is an absolute (!) cheap shot and looks bad to the average person who is following this...

what a [censored] move in a [censored] performance

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

hmmm, Mark says in the video that Absolute should err on the side of overpaying clients account's. . . .and there is a client who had questionable play with Mark and the hand histories can't be obtained because of error on Absolute's part, , , , , I'd say this is an opportunity for him to have Absolute credit the client's account for the amount lost. He wouldn't even have to say whether he is guilty or not. Just say that since there is questions and the hand histories can't be produced, Absolute, being the stand-up company that it is, will err on the side of the customer!!! Put up or shut up!!!!

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

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Eh honestly guys theres not much here, mark seif is a [censored] awkward guy-- he has shifty, bulging eyes when he sits at the poker table, and he doesnt seem like a very social guy so these interviews are probably nerve racking for him.

/end thread

[x] Trainwrecked

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agreed. I dont think he came off bad or douchey in the interview. What the [censored] does everyone expect him to say or do? Oh wait, no one really cares, they just want to pile it on and string him up. Carry on with the group think guys

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btw, can you please link us to the video that you watched?

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

If I ever saw mark seif I would mug him

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

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[ QUOTE ]
If he appears to be guilty. He is guilty.
If he looks guilty. He is guilty.
Just because there's no evidence to exonerate him. He's guilty.
Salem was over run by witches at one time too. They took care of them with no evidence. Hmmm.

What happened to innocent until proved guilty?

Glad you bunch aren't on a jury in a real criminal case....

[/ QUOTE ]

1.) This isn't a criminal case. Yet.
2.) People ARE allowed to form opinions, regardless of whether you approve.

[/ QUOTE ]

Opinion and slander. a fine line that's probably been crossed....

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

1. you don't know what slander means
2. no

Re: AP Spokesman Mark Seif Video Interview Oct 26
 

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Eh honestly guys theres not much here, mark seif is a [censored] awkward guy-- he has shifty, bulging eyes when he sits at the poker table, and he doesnt seem like a very social guy so these interviews are probably nerve racking for him.

/end thread

[x] Trainwrecked

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agreed. I dont think he came off bad or douchey in the interview. What the [censored] does everyone expect him to say or do? Oh wait, no one really cares, they just want to pile it on and string him up. Carry on with the group think guys

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Have to agree also, what video are the rest of you watching. Nothing in that video made me think he was guilty. He may be but the video doesn't condemn him.