Re: Poll: Who is worse Yang or Gold?
 

Both were intially annoying
Gold was more of an ass, while Yang was just annoying (and inappropriate IMHO)
Gold seems to have gotten better since his win, and seems to realize how lucky he got. Will Jerry Yang in one year...don't know but I doubt it. I vote Yang

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Gold at least had a persona and some personality. What casual player can identify with Yang? The Anti-Moneymaker. Just what poker needed right now.

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I thought Yang played rather well given the dynamics of the final table. He is also a much better human being than gold, I kind of like him despite all of the weird god stuff. I'm sure he'd get eaten up in any cash games with decent players though.

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Saying either suck is a stretch but I'd rather watch Gold than Yang. Yang came across as the guy who doesn't fold but wins (Gold did last year too, but at least he got paid off when he hit hands and saw flops).

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WTF, this poll is liking asking who's sexier between Rosie O'Donnell and Star Jones.

Who cares, they both suck.

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please ban for anti gay/racist sentiments

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Why all the hate for Yang?
What is the difference beyween "just one time" and "god give me a 4".

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Hell, I am an atheist and I am appalled that any Christian would ask God to give him better cards than his opponent, out loud, on TV!

If I were God I would give his opponents one-outers on the river to punish him for being a greedy sod and asking my divine self for something so selfish. I would give him KK and a flop of KK7 against an opponent with AA, then I would give running aces to bust his ass!

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Every single time he played

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Why all the hate for Yang?
What is the difference beyween "just one time" and "god give me a 4".

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I think asking God to give you a card to win a poker hand is significantly worse! I would be amazed if there weren't a lot of Christians that are appalled at the idea of a person claiming to be a Christian asking for God to help him win at poker. I think there should be something in the constitution about the separation of church and poker!

Hell, I am an atheist and I am appalled that any Christian would ask God to give him better cards than his opponent, out loud, on TV!

If I were God I would give his opponents one-outers on the river to punish him for being a greedy sod and asking my divine self for something so selfish. I would give him KK and a flop of KK7 against an opponent with AA, then I would give running aces to bust his ass!

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Gold last year was worse for me. He was too damned arrogant. Yeah he had all the chips and played well, no one else really came close to him. I gotta give credit to Yang for starting the table as a short stack and within about 15 hands he got the chip lead.

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i remember wasicka talking about how people were blowing up left and right to give jamie all the chips last year. thats exactly what happened to yang this time. he´s drawing dead to 2 outs for his tournament life if childs doesn´t make a ridiculous fold, he dodges 15 outs on the river being all-in with top pair vs hilms huge draw. pretty sure almost everybody would have won the whole thing with the chips he had once hilm was busted. i haven´t seen him fold to one single raise/reraise/reraise all-in after that. he´s just another retarded calling station.

and thats just the poker player. talk about "i´m a devout christian, so i deserve to win (while othters don´t)", "you have a friend for life", dancing like a monkey after winning a flip-coin, his mother screaming "halleluja" all the time [censored] ...

even worse, none of his winnings will stay within the poker community.

he´s just one big nightmare.

Re: Poll: Who is worse Yang or Gold?
 

Yang is probably the worst main event winner, sorry but I love jamie gold compared to him and i hate jamie gold.

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Yang blows.

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I voted for Gold.

I think the way Yang played was unorthodox compared to the other 8 at the final table, but that is what allowed him to win. He understood that HU he could not beat anybody post flop, and that is why you saw his massive pushes preflop with 'garbage'. He knew that if he flopped an ace with A6 or something he was going to probably call post flop bets, so he wanted to just get it in preflop and see if he won, the only thing being that his opponents didn't have the A7 or better and he would win.

That's just me. Gold just seemed to be playing a donkament to him, although his ability to confuse players post flop with his schematics was well done, he is still more of a donk to me than Yang.

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Some of what Yang was saying was that God had a purpose for him and the money. (He seemed committed to using some of the money to help others.) It is very common for Christians to believe that God orders their steps. If he had lost, I can pretty much guarantee he would not have cursed God. He would have trusted that it was simply not meant for him to win.

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Is the Watkinson/Yang pray-off up on youtube yet?

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rofl, this hand was the most painful hand i think i've ever witnessed because of that.

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Some of what Yang was saying was that God had a purpose for him and the money.


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I'm a Christian and it makes me uncomfortable when people "praise the Lord" in the manner done by Yang and family. You also see this a lot from athletes. I think it happens because they come from a Christian environment that places a lot of emphasis on witnessing and believe that giving God the credit in public promotes the Gospel. Maybe it does, but I wonder.

Having said that, from the little information given about Yang, it seems he is genuine and sincerely wanted to win for the good he could do with the money. If that's the case and his prayers to win were so he could do those good things, then the final result may be very good. He showed a lot of class after each hand and it appeared genuine to me. I don't question his Christianity at all, and it's quite possible being open about it will lead to good things later.

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Yang is by far a worse ambassador for the game
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It could happen that Yang will be the best possible ambassador for the game.

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I don't have anything against Phil Laak (for example)

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In Phil's defense, IIRC, the only time he did these ridiculous antics was at a WPT invitational and on Poker after Dark. He's never done it at a "real" tournament.

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I'm 95% sure this isn't true. I remember him doing his schtick when he was heads up against Johnny Chan at the end of a WSOP event. I believe it was the event where Chan won his tenth bracelet.

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FWIW, Yang probably shouldn't be faulted for the fact that Phillip Hilm essentially handed him 20 million of the 135 mil on the table.

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FWIW, Yang probably shouldn't be faulted for the fact that Phillip Hilm essentially handed him 20 million of the 135 mil on the table.

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This is exactky correct.

On pre-final table day, Scotty Nyugen handed Hilm a bunch of chips, and on final table day Hilm handed all of those chips and more to Jerry Yang.

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As a poker player- Yang.
As a person - Jamie Gold.

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Watching Yang was the single most irritating hour of my life.

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As a poker player- Yang.
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i kinda like jamie gold

ya hes not very good poker but hes good at the verbal part and he cool imo

yang just sucks at poker and at life

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Blinds 120k/240k

Yang in the CO

"I raise.....3 milllion"

[censored] luckbox donkey bitches

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I think it's possible that Yang and his family wasn't really thinking straight during the final table?? I mean, I get nervous when I'm heads up for a $250 prize, and Yang was playing for a few bucks more, so if he (or anyone) says something ridiculous we shouldn't really blame him for that. Maybe Khan looks like a jerk on TV, but he's probably a good guy besides that, I think the excitement (and Red Bulls) were getting to him. So why should we judge them like this? You do realize that this is probably going to be the most significant moment in all of their lives, right? So what if they get emotional or say weird things? They're not prepared for this!

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One more thing - all of you saying this will be bad for poker probably didn't realize that it was primarily Christian lobbyists who got the Internet Gambling bill passed, and that seeing a devout Christian with plans to donate a lot of money win the main event will probably help to change a lot of minds.

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Unless he actually "donates" it to the Christian lobbyists themselves, I doubt that.

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i still think Jamie Gold did a masterful, MASTERFUL!! job
confusing his opponents into making bad calls etc...

jerry yang did get extremely lucky... but then again...
on every show i've seen for those last 3 or 4 tables, ( ME '07 )
it seemed like EVERYONE got extremely lucky...

kahn flops quad queens against AA...
Dag hits a royal flush against KK(? was it?)
Yang hit runner, runner wheel straight when he
was all in after the flop on a bluff-gone-bad...
at around 28 players...
gus hansen flopped trip 10's vs QQ.... all in pf...

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jerry yang did get extremely lucky... but then again...
on every show i've seen for those last 3 or 4 tables, ( ME '07 )
it seemed like EVERYONE got extremely lucky...

kahn flops quad queens against AA...
Dag hits a royal flush against KK(? was it?)
Yang hit runner, runner wheel straight when he
was all in after the flop on a bluff-gone-bad...
at around 28 players...
gus hansen flopped trip 10's vs QQ.... all in pf...

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I think you figured it out. Everybody who gets to the final table got lucky, not just in 2007 but in every year since there were 100 or more players. That is just the nature of poker.

Stu Ungar got lucky when he won,
Greg Raymer got lucky when he won,
etc....

Skill increases your likelihood of making it to the final table, but we are talking about something of the nature of a skilled player will make it there .5% of the time while a bad player will make it ther .1% of the time (assuming a field of 6000).

So most of these threads are useless.

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I hate placing GOD or any religion in Poker, Politics, and knocking on my front door with it as well...

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I think you figured it out. Everybody who gets to the final table got lucky, not just in 2007 but in every year since there were 100 or more players. That is just the nature of poker.

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Luck never factored into it when it was <100 players? LOL

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Spot-on there!

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I predict a future post: "Who is worse, Yang or (insert 2008 winner here)"

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The answer will probably be the 2008 winner [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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Gold is a reprehensible human being.

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I don't know why there's so much hate for Yang and how he played. Regardless of how you think he "should" have played, he obviously did exactly what needed to be done to win......because he won. Luck is ALWAYS a factor. It's a factor if Scotty Nguyen wins, or Phil Hellmuth, or any "good" player.

You guys may not agree with how he played, but you can't argue with the results.

To all the people who say he didn't play well...how many times have you won the Main Event exactly?

Also, how can anyone say that Yang is worse in any way than Gold? I'd put my money on Yang every time if they went Heads-up. Gold can't even read people at all. I'd say someone asking for God to help them is a better human being than the loser who tried to stiff his backers out of the money he owed them.

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And how many times have you won the main event exactly ?

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I just won a ME... in my garage.

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I see what you're doing there.

I, however, am not saying that Gold played poorly in 2006 or that he's a lousy player like everyone is saying about Yang. Gold didn't win the ME with his reads, he won because he was great that week at playing mind games and he really fooled his opponents.

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From the Youtube televised episodes, it seemed like Jerry Yang played bad. I thought he overvalued his hands alot, had no consideration into what his opponents might be holding, was willing to stack off with any Top Pair, did not play the hand under profitable circumstances (An amateur mistake) opted to play his hand on AUTO-PILOT betting increment with no possibility of slowplaying? There was that hand where he hit Set 8 on an ace flop against Phillip Helm, could have weighed the risk, tried to act weak, and induce an ALL IN bluff from Helm. But no.

The poll is a bit wrong, the question should be more specific! Who is worse? Could mean anything. Worse person, worse player, worse for poker, anyway. For title of "the worst" I voted Yang on a 55:45 coin flip against Gold.

Both are big stack douche bags. But i'm actually surprised, since the other players couldn't exploit Yang's weakness. In a way, what he was doing was like that Super Systems strategy, where if he bets 7,000 with air, the opponent is really risking 20,000 - or in this case their entire stack
when they go over the top. Yang could have nothing or the nuts.

Now, if only him and his big stack were up against 8 other short stacked Alex Kravchenko's. That would be an exciting game.