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sauce123 09-25-2007 12:52 PM

Re: Really, really, really thin value vs Samo
 
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River: CRai.. you'll get called about 2% of the time..

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ding ding/end thread

jfish 09-25-2007 12:57 PM

Re: Really, really, really thin value vs Samo
 
you take some great lines lefort

Apathy 09-25-2007 03:32 PM

Re: Really, really, really thin value vs Samo
 
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River: CRai.. you'll get called about 2% of the time..

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you know you can't count the times he folded a worse hand as a successful bluff right?

Ship Ship McGipp 09-25-2007 04:01 PM

Re: Really, really, really thin value vs Samo
 
does anyone think he can bet worse for value if we check to him?

isn't it terrible for him to bluff on this board?

god i'm terribly vexed by this hand. i guess if anything i'm back to almost liking the bet size- if, and o nly if, samo is capable of putting you on the level that knows that he interprets just over PSBs as v strong, therefore are making this bet thinking you'll always get a fold since it woul dbe such a bad spot to bluff, and because of those things, and the fact that hes usually not real strong here (Ax or w/e i guess if you define that as strong) he'll call with 87, orsomething. add in the fact he prob floats light on A high flops and even chekcs turn wiht it sometimes (tho less likely ob board with a draw) and i'm back to thining this is okay, but maybe juss a psb would do the trick too.

bah,.

SlowHabit 09-25-2007 04:43 PM

Re: Really, really, really thin value vs Samo
 
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River: CRai.. you'll get called about 2% of the time..

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you know you can't count the times he folded a worse hand as a successful bluff right?

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Count it 1/2 of the times for value-bluffs.

EC10 09-25-2007 04:43 PM

Re: Really, really, really thin value vs Samo
 
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does anyone think he can bet worse for value if we check to him?

isn't it terrible for him to bluff on this board?

it vexes me. i'm terribly vexed by this hand.

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Kirkrrr 09-25-2007 10:39 PM

Re: Really, really, really thin value vs Samo
 
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[x] not thin

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are you retarded?

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ban please

wrt the hand: I think I prefer a check-call.

Kirk

cts 09-25-2007 11:52 PM

Re: Really, really, really thin value vs Samo
 
i'd probably check the flop as a default, and i don't like the river bet size.

also to ppl saying you won't get bluffraised here, well generally when you guys bet so damn big on the river it's because you don't wanna get (check)raised allin, i bluffraise these big river bets all the time and they fold every time. you're checkraising a boat here and are hard pressed to call with trips

sauce123 09-26-2007 12:13 AM

Re: Really, really, really thin value vs Samo
 
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i'd probably check the flop as a default, and i don't like the river bet size.

also to ppl saying you won't get bluffraised here, well generally when you guys bet so damn big on the river it's because you don't wanna get (check)raised allin, i bluffraise these big river bets all the time and they fold every time. you're checkraising a boat here and are hard pressed to call with trips

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SlowHabit 09-26-2007 12:51 AM

Re: Really, really, really thin value vs Samo
 
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i'd probably check the flop as a default, and i don't like the river bet size.

also to ppl saying you won't get bluffraised here, well generally when you guys bet so damn big on the river it's because you don't wanna get (check)raised allin, i bluffraise these big river bets all the time and they fold every time. you're checkraising a boat here and are hard pressed to call with trips

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My comment about liking the bet size is vs Samo. I've logged a lot of hands vs Samo and I feel the easiest way for you to not get fried against his awesome fish hunting ability is to bet bet bet. Because once you start checking in this type of spots against him, you will find Samo floating on you like objects on the Red Sea.

I have more comments that would help players play vs him but I don't think that's fair so I'll be a nit about it.

king_of_drafts 09-26-2007 01:44 AM

Re: Really, really, really thin value vs Samo
 
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My comment about liking the bet size is vs Samo. I've logged a lot of hands vs Samo and I feel the easiest way for you to not get fried against his awesome fish hunting ability is to bet bet bet.


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OK, but why overbet?

Redgrape 09-26-2007 09:44 AM

Re: Really, really, really thin value vs Samo
 
How bout them Redskins!

good2cu 09-26-2007 11:27 AM

Re: Really, really, really thin value vs Samo
 
hmmmmmmmm this is a weird spot. im lost.

SuperRu 09-26-2007 03:34 PM

Re: Really, really, really thin value vs Samo
 
Every river action in this spot is meh.

creedofhubris 09-28-2007 11:08 PM

Re: Really, really, really thin value vs Samo
 
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i'd probably check the flop as a default, and i don't like the river bet size.

also to ppl saying you won't get bluffraised here, well generally when you guys bet so damn big on the river it's because you don't wanna get (check)raised allin, i bluffraise these big river bets all the time and they fold every time. you're checkraising a boat here and are hard pressed to call with trips

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so clearly the expert line is to overbet then disconnect.

Lefort 09-29-2007 10:43 AM

Re: Really, really, really thin value vs Samo
 
c, r, a, i!

xxThe_Lebowskixx 09-29-2007 11:02 AM

Re: Really, really, really thin value vs Samo
 
sauce123,

Has cardrunners contacted you yet to do videos?


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