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If there is any questions of ethics it should been in place before the hand. Whenever I play poker with people I’m chummy with they know I am going to play my best and try to win every pot I play vs them and I except they’d do the same vs me. I make sure the non-professionals I play with on a regular basis know I do this for a living and understand I am going to try to win their money. This does not me that I don’t like them at as a person, don’t consider them a friend etc. When I’m at work I’m at work to make money.

This only real reason this is a question is because you established a rapport that shouldn’t exist at the poker table imo.

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call and show a 6.

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i would do this

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good rapport and positive relationships will always benefit you more than one pot. if the guy is a douche and you cannot concieve any future dealings with him, stack him, but if he is reasonably congenial and there is a future relationships with this person, its not worth it.

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Jesus just shove and show him your hand. The guy's not playing poker he's trying to give you money. If you don't like this tell him after that you prefer to play hard and expect the same from him in the future.

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the correct play is to give him back all his money and then get him to stake you in donkaments.

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I do like the whole shove and show for karma's sake. But I think that this is basically an EV question, isnt it? I might not have any ethics, but I would just figure if keeping this guy as a "friend" is worth more than the money im about to win from him. Or you could let him figure it out for himself and then apologize and tell him this is how you play poker (offer him another drink? or something like that)

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consider this doesnt only happen when we have the nuts, it also happens when we are bluffing or have two pair and pair+oesd, so the guy is being really nice.

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exactly. i could've had a set of 4s and would've been just as giddy to put all the chips in, eager to crack his AA. NOW reenact the scene: just as i'm about to say, "i'm all-in," he shows me the 5...

a lot of you aren't realizing how generous he's being. he's literally trying to let me save thousands of dollars.

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i don't know if generosity is his motivation. a lot of live players pull this [censored] because they are variance-averse and have decided that they don't want to be greedy and are happy to win $X than possibly lose a pot of $X * 2, or whatever.

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jukebox hero

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I like your style.

Recently, a noobie was having his first outing at a casino and was down to his last $30 at a low limit NL table. (I know this amount is trivial to most on this forum, but that's not the point). So I raise KT he calls blind folds, and flop is T high rainbow. I bet and tell him: "look I don't want to win your last chips, I have a T and I'll even show it to you", and show him my T. He returns the favor and shows his T as he calls [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]. Turn I check and he bets his last chips and I call, and his AT is good.

You went one step further with your act of generosity. It's nice to know that there are people like you out there.

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i don't know if generosity is his motivation. a lot of live players pull this [censored] because they are variance-averse and have decided that they don't want to be greedy and are happy to win $X than possibly lose a pot of $X * 2, or whatever.

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people that think this way are retarded for sitting with more than 100bb IMO, unless he grinded his stack up from 2k in the first place

edit: then again, 5k effective probably isnt that deep for 10/20 at bellagio anyway

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if you guys were so chummy why did he raise your blind?

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I would stack him off and not feel bad about it. It would be one thing if you induced him to show you his hand in some way, but not only did he raise your blind, but he showed you without asking. There are plenty of times(especially deep stacked) where you have the second or third nuts and wouldn't want to put all your money in. Should I just turn my hand up under the guise of "being a nice guy" so that the other person doesn't shove on me? Why should I have to figure out the other guys intentions, or give him quid pro quo. I am better than he is, so he shouldn't be relieving me of my right to outplay him(and make money) after the flop. Yes, it sucks that he showed you, and he is going to feel cheated when you stack him, but poker isn't played with the cards face up, so if you turn them up, its to your disadvantage. Don't expect me to take pity on you.
-Jason

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if you guys were so chummy why did he raise your blind?

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hahaha

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i did NOT show him my cards as we were discussing this. i was planning not to show my cards even if he did accept my proposal. he thought for a long time, like 5 mins,

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You mean in a time collection game, no one called the clock in 5 minutes?

You had all the right in the world to push, and no one would ever blame you for pushing. After all, this is a cooler hand, and it was destiny for him to get stacked regardless.

You are a nice guy for what you did. It was a -EV poker move, but a +EV life move. You get props from me.

Garland

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How about thinking a little, saying call, look bemused, then as the turn is about to be dealt "careful now, don't go mad." You complete his current action but give him a chance on the next street.

If you and your new buddy were chopping this would never have happened ha.

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If you and your new buddy were chopping this would never have happened ha.

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It was 3-handed. Chopping would be kinda silly, wouldn't it?

Garland

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I would call, show the 6, and offer to check it down with him

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It was 3-handed. Chopping would be kinda silly, wouldn't it?

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THAT is precicesly the point.

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i don't know if generosity is his motivation. a lot of live players pull this [censored] because they are variance-averse and have decided that they don't want to be greedy and are happy to win $X than possibly lose a pot of $X * 2, or whatever.

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dumbest post ever

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take his money. and his girlfriend. and his bike.

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take all his money

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push and let him pick one card.

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Clean him out like baby's butt.

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I've played in some crazy games where stuff like this happens a lot. It's wierd because, as the rotating cast of characters is usually the same, they play like home games. With the straddles and re-straddles the game always gets nuts and a few $K is dropped quick and easy.

So the friendly stuff makes no sense. In fact, it hurts you sometimes when you make a big hand and feel like you kind of owe a guy one or something from another hand where he showed you his hand.

This isn't one of those spots. You're 3 handed in Vegas. He raised from his SB pf and 3 bet the flop. I'd call. When the turn comes off he's going to look at you sideways and you go AI. I'd show my hand after he acts.

When the dust settles after the hand I'd respectfully outline the action and say that, although the friendliness of the game is great, I'm here to play poker. It's 3 handed. Everyone bet their cards. No hard feelings.

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id be pissed that i finally coolered somebody in a live game and now this guy is showing me his hand and [censored] that up. i mean, it happens like once every two weeks, amirite?

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shove and side bet him 500 that you have KK

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Oh, 3bet pf

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If you do not play live, then this post will go over your head. But in reality, some DO think like this. And because of that, many alter the way they play.

For a guy who has a handful of posts, please do not come on these boards and insult a respected mid limit player who has experience playing live as well as rapport with many others within these forums. Your post sir, is the only dumb one.

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Clue to what to do and why the villain showed his cards is in the "swedish guy".

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call then push river. end topic

seriously.. haven't you ever heard the saying no good deed goes unpunished?

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Best all around outcome is that you shove and then show him your hand and take the pot and all the money he put into it. Then you still get to look like the nice guy AND you get like 40% of his stack. WIN WIN.

Seriously though, I probably just tell him that I have him beat and shove and let him do whatever he wants.

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Push and say "I wouldn't call if I were you."

When you stack him you can say "I told you so" and there will be no hard feelings.

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All the idiots that just say push have no social skills. Push and show ur hand before he calls.

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I think it's unfair that usu this is a cooler and you'd get paid off but now you are forced into a sit where you are giving some of his money back.

The only thing I would consider would be to say that this is a cooler before shoving and let him decide whether he is in fact ahead or not.

ppl come to the table to play Poker. These type of antics should only effect the person's game that choose to act this way. He wants to play like this then fine but don't feel morally obliged to stop playing Poker and let that impact on your hourly rate!

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If you and your new buddy were chopping this would never have happened ha.

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It was 3-handed. Chopping would be kinda silly, wouldn't it?

Garland

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Missed the 3 handed.

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All the idiots that just say push have no social skills. Push and show ur hand before he calls.

You are so wrong. The whistle hasn't blown yet. Decleat this guy. And if you want to get social with him pick up his mouthpiece for him and explain to him that he should keep his head on a swivel at ALL times.

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Umm I talk with terp a lot and he generally has pretty good insight into the psychology that bad players use at the table. You don't see people make retarded bets because the pot's "big enough already" and they're "happy to take it down?" This is some basic home poker [censored] dude.

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i understand his mentality. there are a lot of guys at the poker table that are just there to socialize. they often softplay against certain people. for some reason, I have a likeable table image and often these guys softplay when in a pot against me. they won't bluff me, and often will do everything they can to let me know when they have a monster.

this is obviously profitable for me, and keeping this guy happy and friendly will be profitable for you. i don't throw money away though. in this situation i would reraise all in. when he asks, "you have the nuts?" i say, "yes." i wouldn't show my cards.

also, i never show bluffs against these guys, and always keep it friendly. (obviously i'm usually going to destroy these guys because i bluff them a decent amount and never pay them off.) you should do the same.

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i don't know if generosity is his motivation. a lot of live players pull this [censored] because they are variance-averse and have decided that they don't want to be greedy and are happy to win $X than possibly lose a pot of $X * 2, or whatever.

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Umm I talk with terp a lot and he generally has pretty good insight into the psychology that bad players use at the table. You don't see people make retarded bets because the pot's "big enough already" and they're "happy to take it down?" This is some basic home poker [censored] dude.

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not only have i heard this line of reasoning before, it is fairly common among live players. I often see people expose their hand hu in order to get the other player to fold a worse hand. there reasoning? "the pot was big enough, i didn't want him to get lucky and hit a two outer, i didn't need his whole stack. they are gamblers trying to lock up a win. it is irrational, but most bad players are.