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There is +ev and there is stealing. You guys just dont know the difference.

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You have no idea what you are talking about. None at all.
UK bookies are the most hated in the world because they offer the absolute worst value on the planet.

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Vexel,

Is betting just the soft side of an arb unethical?

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Oh and thats opposed to US bookies, oh thats right there arent any except for those value laden books in Vegas.

And you dont have a clue, the UK bookies are juicy..

Im still getting even money on wongs, are you?

Hedgie43 as long as you take some kind of risk its ethical.

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vexel77 -

One minute asking for help prepping for your interview. Next minute pontificating from a lofty perch while calling others kids, losers, and thieves. I'd say you are probably a young guy who hasn't yet had the [censored] edges worn off by life experience. Or maybe you're just a douchebag. Probably both.

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thanks ive grown up quickly.

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and it is stealing.

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ur dumb

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And you dont have a clue, the UK bookies are juicy..

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That's why Betfair has managed to take the lion's share of the market in short shrift despite charging the average customer 5% on top of 1% markets.

The only reason that UK bookies can be good is because they haven't got a clue how to set lines on some sports. The percentages they work to are bordering on criminal, and if you have any sympathy for them at all, then it's clear you got that odds compiling job.

As for your ethics, you didn't answer the question. If a book goes -110 and takes balanced action on either side, why isn't it classed as stealing?

Also, if I take +111 at one side, and -110 at another, who am I stealing from exactly?

I suggest you think this through a bit more sensibly, you haven't stated one fact yet and you've certainly talked a lot of tripe.

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Why is it unethical to make a "risk-free" profit? Both books are offering you a line, from which they are taking vig.

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these questions are useless, he has no idea of the theory behind gambling and arbitrage

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these questions are useless, he has no idea of the theory behind gambling and arbitrage

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He also appears to have never been to the UK, but I'm not letting that spoil the fun.

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Im sorry lori you have misunderstood me, i am trying to help you. You shouldnt do it its bad business for youself and the book involved. All it will do is reduce your ability to get a bet, that could be much more ev than a small arb.

as for betfair its destroying punting on a number major sports, for one tennis.

And if you lived in the UK youd know we're in the middle of a major court case that is centered around people using betfair to fix horse races, that im sure when is settled will have some ramifications for the industry, in the UK.

And its a fact that im getting even money on wongs. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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I love you people...

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It depends on the book. Some books move their lines aggressively so that one max bet will eliminate the opportunity. Other books will continue to hang stale lines even after several max bets. These books are the real targets.

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I've seen MLB and soccer and etc and horse arbs last for days.

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lori i think you misunderstood me I've been arbing a lot. I never see these mysterious two day long arbs most of mine last seconds not minutes. I saw one boxing arb last two days this summer other then that I haven't seen much.

I have a lot of outs, real-time odds service, an arb alert service, the whole thing. I'm not a veteran at this but most of what I see goes very fast.

Also, a warning to all, just ignore anything at 5dimes over 2-3% or so I've had a few bets canceled lately they have routinely been posting lines backwards [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Im sorry lori you have misunderstood me, i am trying to help you. You shouldnt do it its bad business for youself and the book involved. All it will do is reduce your ability to get a bet, that could be much more ev than a small arb.

as for betfair its destroying punting on a number major sports, for one tennis.

And if you lived in the UK youd know we're in the middle of a major court case that is centered around people using betfair to fix horse races, that im sure when is settled will have some ramifications for the industry, in the UK.

And its a fact that im getting even money on wongs. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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are idiot bans still availible

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lori i think you misunderstood me I've been arbing a lot. I never see these mysterious two day long arbs most of mine last seconds not minutes

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If you're arbing college football halftimes or something then yes I'd agree. Otherwise you're not looking hard enough and the thread would likely help you.

Example from the past (LAD to win division)

Edit: That was held for at least 12 hours looking at those time stamps, and I remember it was at least another day on top, but I have no proof of that.

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Oh and thats opposed to US bookies, oh thats right there arent any except for those value laden books in Vegas.

Im still getting even money on wongs, are you?


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Yes, at BetPOP. They advertise highest teaser and parlay rates in the industry. Dunno if it's true though, but I am getting even money.

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Hedgie43 as long as you take some kind of risk its ethical.

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Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter

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lori i think you misunderstood me I've been arbing a lot. I never see these mysterious two day long arbs most of mine last seconds not minutes

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If you're arbing college football halftimes or something then yes I'd agree. Otherwise you're not looking hard enough and the thread would likely help you.

Example from the past (LAD to win division)

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Interesting. I recognize I have a lot to learn at this. I think IRC would be awesome. Even though I remain skeptical that sharing arbs of any significance is pretty hard i'd love to learn from more experienced people and I'm more then willing to share what i can.

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Arbs have a risk. The line could move before you get the second side down :P

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Ok fine then. Hit this one last night and it's still there lol. I will shut up now.

Dimitri Kirilov v Jose Navarro (boxing)

o11.5 rounds bodog 1.38
u11.5 rounds olympic 3.8

also on pinnacle (i give it 5 minutes)

o11.5 rounds bodog 1.38
u11.5 rounds pinny 3.71

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Ok fine then. Hit this one last night and it's still there lol. I will shut up now.

Dimitri Kirilov v Jose Navarro

o11.5 rounds bodog 1.38
u11.5 rounds olympic 3.8

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[img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

Of course nobody's asking you to post it before you've had your share of it, and that's often enough to kill one, but sometimes the books are just willing, for whatever reason, to leave it up.

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Soccer

Israel o2.5 skybook -105
Croatia u2.5 pinny +113

8c

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Sharing arbs is the ish. I have not found a group of competent people to share with any longer though :/

Most moved on with pinny.

Utah,

Damn you and your skillz [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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ok so irc channel work better then here or you arbers just want to make a commitment to stepping it up i'd love to find these nice arbs that are escaping all my idiot protection (linetracker, arbitrage pro, etc)

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Utah,

Damn you and your skillz

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I have them all [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Sadly, I have moved on to bigger and better things, except for the week or so that I am in town.

I forgot though how fun this was to do.

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clev +1.5 -145 vip
bos -1.5 +147 pinny

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I love when my minions grow up and bash the idiots themselves [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

I am down for an IRC chan (again), as long as there is some sort of moderation and exclusivity to it. Freeloaders should be banished quickly, and the group is less productive as a whole with more than 7-10 people involved anyway.

If someone wants to send me info or explain to me how to set it up, I'll do it.

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hurry!

o/u 8-runs 100o VIP 110u PIN
clev bos

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Zona +260 Cris
Rox -240 VIP

I gotz da skillz dat pay da b!11$.

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/3133/howtoflysn6.jpg

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I'm spending ~50h week chasing arbs/middles so I'd be up for this.

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I am down for an IRC chan

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Big Arb on Rockies/D'backs Prop (Strikeouts for Jimenez):

VIP: u4.5 +130
Pinny: o4.5 -114

Edit: Just saw the $50 limit on Pinny, so I just maxed out the VIP side ($300 limit).

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I love when my minions grow up and bash the idiots themselves [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

I am down for an IRC chan (again), as long as there is some sort of moderation and exclusivity to it. Freeloaders should be banished quickly, and the group is less productive as a whole with more than 7-10 people involved anyway.

If someone wants to send me info or explain to me how to set it up, I'll do it.

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homer set up a channel last year

irc.efnet.net #2p2sports

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First five innings over 5 +100 has a lot of value at VIP too.

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homer is finished with that kinda stuff... i have no idea about how to password protect the room or something to have limited access... if you leave it wide open just like an arb thread, the ratio of leechers to contributors is like tenfold and the chan will be useless

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Std.

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MSN invite only chat room then? Without leechers, I really think we could all benefit from something like this.

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The MSN chat room sounds like a great idea, i hope I have something to offer and would not be but a scummy bottomfeeder [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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an irc channel can be secured easily and is much more stable then a MSN or AIM chat room. I don't have time for the next few days but someone must have the time to download and compile a channel bot set up an ops list etc. #2p2sb or something it doesn't really matter