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This guy should apologize to you. You even showed him. WTF, he expects you not to lie about your hand?

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Is it weird that I don't think anything of lying about your actual hand, but if someone promised to show and then didn't I'd definitely think less of them?

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I've enjoyed some of the thoughtful responses here. I personally think this is piece of crap move. At lower levels people are chatting and, although gambling for money, still have a sense of friendliness and comradery about them. You've betrayed this man's trust and created an unpleasant scene at the table for a couple of bucks. Was it worth it? At higher limits these kinds of moves don't make you a jerk because everyone is onto the many levels of the game.

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Betrayed his trust? I'm playing POKER.

Also, this would never work against decent players at higher stakes.

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You correctly guessed that he was talking himself into a call and you took action. You kept your promise to show your hand. No apologies. As for saying, "I got you", you did not know his hand and vice versa. It goes without saying neither of you knew the exact hole cards so this is typical table banter. I hear these old timers say things like, "I don't think I can lay down this draw", then they push all-in with top set. No one goes apeshit on these oldtimers....

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I think this is the BIGGEST D-BAG move out there. I have nothing against table chatter trying to get tells off people, but telling him to fold because u have him beat, THEN SHOWING a bluff, thats just down right ignorant. Not saying your a D-BAG, but in mybook thats the worst

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Not my style but fair play, imo.

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I think this is the BIGGEST D-BAG move out there. I have nothing against table chatter trying to get tells off people, but telling him to fold because u have him beat, THEN SHOWING a bluff, thats just down right ignorant. Not saying your a D-BAG, but in mybook thats the worst

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I here these oldtimers say things like, "You got me beat but I'm ready to go home now." Then they re-raise all-in with top set.

Personally....I like when my opponents talk. It gives me clues on their hands and it makes me a more educated poker player.

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I've enjoyed some of the thoughtful responses here. I personally think this is piece of crap move. At lower levels people are chatting and, although gambling for money, still have a sense of friendliness and comradery about them. You've betrayed this man's trust and created an unpleasant scene at the table for a couple of bucks. Was it worth it? At higher limits these kinds of moves don't make you a jerk because everyone is onto the many levels of the game.


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I can't believe that "betraying his trust" has even entered into this discussion...is this post for real? Are you suggesting that because people are stoopider at low limits and not into the "many levels of the game" that you should go easy on them? Hilarious.

Re: Did I angleshoot this guy?
 

How dumb would you have felt if he called and you had to turn your cards over after deliberately lying to him? LOLOL

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What do you think about this situation, I am in a hand and villain makes an allin, and I am confident it is a bluff, but I may not even beat a bluff. I consider calling with Ahigh, but before I decide to fold, villai says, "I will show you eitehr way". I folded, and he throws his hand in the muck" Thoughts on that move which is different than OP.

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I don't initate talk during a hand unless some ask if the should call or fold in a heads up situation. I always answer it the same way "If you had the cards to beat me, you would of called already." Once I said this with a straight flush (over nut flush), and he a got furious.

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Angle shooting? You mean like shoving with no hand and no draw? Angle shooting like that?

Look, everything a player does, doesn't do or tries to act as if they are doing (or not doing) is information for the other player to consider. You could just have easily sealed the call by your opponent, with your words, if he had thought to himself "This guy has said nothing up until now, hardly talks at all and just when I'm openly berating myself for even thinking about folding, suddenly now he throws me a life line? Are these the words/actions of someone who wants me to call or wants me to fold?"

Unethical and mean would have been to say "I've got you and I'll show" and then tossed your hand into the muck after he folded saying "I'm not sure where you learned to play, but where I come from, you have to pay to see them". Besides, you didn't even lie, you had him, by virtue of his fold and you showed, just like you promised to do! Just because you normally don't do it doesn't mean it's unethical or even out of line.

On the other hand, when your best friend admits to sleeping with your girlfriend, saying "Man, the way you love to get into people’s heads at the poker table I thought you would appreciate the guts it took to pull off such a deceptive play", try to be just as philosophical! Just kidding bro, you didn't do anything wrong and your buddy probably isn't either:)

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I am predominantly a live player these days and normally make it out to the casino to play 2 or 3 sessions a week. I am fairly quiet at the tables, rarely saying much more than "nice hand" or engaging in polite small talk. I almost never talk while in a hand, but yesterday I did something that I had never done before and I could really use your opinion on whether or not I crossed the line here. Here's the situation:

Skip to post-flop action. I have A-10off on a board of 3-9-K rainbow. Villain leads out for $15 (1/2 pot) and I pop it to $40. He re-raises to $80. The guy had about $150 behind and I thought I had a read on the guy that he would fold to a shove, so I put him all in. I sat silent and motionless as is my SOP. He agonizes for literally 5 minutes and then starts saying things like "I don't think I can fold now" and "I'm a donkey if I lay this down." Basically, he starts talking himself into calling. I really feel like he is about to make the call when I do something out of character for me: I look at him at calmly say "I got you and I'll show you." He lays it down and I show him the bluff. He goes apeshit. He tells me I am an unethical "dickwad" and that I am a disgrace to the game, etc... I did not respond, but simply sat and pondered to myself whether what I had done had crossed the line. Thus, my question to 2+2 - Am I an angleshooting douchebag who should apologize to the guy next time I see him at the table or is what I did part of the game and acceptable strategy in trying to entice a fold? Thanks for your input.

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table talk is both fun and fine.

what you did wasn't an angle shoot, and i have no problem with it.

i wouldnt do it to someone i have a history with, someone that i play with a lot and enjoy playing with, but if i knew i could get some one timer to muck a better hand, then i'd say it too.

[censored], tell him you thought he had a gutshot and that you really thought a-high was good. or just spike an ace when he calls with one pair.

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I wouldn't worry about it too much. Reminds me of one quick story. 1/2NLHE, guy raises to $15 with 10-10. I reraise to $40 with A-A. He's got about $120; I have him covered. He starts asking questions.

Guy: "Do you have a good hand?"
Me: "Yes."
Guy: "Will you show if I fold?"
Me: "Yes."
Guy: "Do you have a pair?"
Me: "No."

Guy goes all-in, I call, board bricks out, guy spends the rest of the day berating me while I laugh inside.

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Definitely not an angleshoot.

I got talked out of a call once - I think I had top pair on a coordinated board. Guy goes on about how I don't have odds to chase, he's there already, etc. He talks a lot, and somehow I put him on 2pr. He showed me AK (which missed) and I just made a mental note not to fall for that again, and played on - part of the game is what I thought.

Just the other night, I saw a player next to me induce a call by making a big bet and then, when the guy starts to go into the tank, he calls "time". (He called it after like 3 seconds had elapsed) The guy says "tell me when it's down to one second," sounding annoyed, and right there I knew the bettor had a monster (and a great read on the victims mindset.)

If a player really hates money, or feels bad for you, he'll show you the nuts before you call - which I've seen happen a couple of times, too.

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Not illegal or unethical, but kind of dickheaded.

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"the guy obviously thought you were trying to be nice, when you were actually still gaming him."

Um, isn't this a big part of poker?

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Yes. It is a move for cowards

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I had a similar situation where I was in a big pot with a guy that I have played a lot with, when he starts kicking me under the table and whispering for me to fold and that he had the nuts(yes, there is one other player in the pot) I fold my 2 pair which I was WAY good, other player folds a.s.s hole shows 72

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ahahah so sick

Re: Did I angleshoot this guy?
 

You are in a casino...
You are playing Poker...(with a stranger? I don't know OP didn't specify)
You went above and beyond what you were required to do once he folded by showing your hand...

How is this an angle shoot? How is this even a [censored] move to make? If he gets mad and goes on tilt, isn't this +EV for you? If anything you made the hand easier to play by giving him information. If he can't process this information correctly, that's his problem. Nice hand. If he dosen't want to be bluffed, Poker probably isn't the game he should be playing.

edit: Additionally, if you do ever see or play with this guy again, it sound like he is going to be paying you off like crazy everytime you actually hold a hand. Enjoy.

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once a player starts stalling and or talking about the hand you are good to go with what you decide to say. its all table talk.
when you have a relationship with a palyer you must hold to it whateveer it is, as that will follow you forever.

however your play of the hand was terrible.

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I have seen this play many times. In my experience the player who is on the fence seldom folds and the guy who said he has a strong hand is always telling the truth. Because of my experience if you had tried that move on me it would have worked. I would not have complained after though.