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TheMetetron 01-25-2007 02:31 PM

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Argentina is definitely the safest South American country

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This is not quite accurate I believe. General consensus is that Chile, Uruguay and Paraguay are at least as save as Argentina. But this doesn't mean "save" by European standards of course.

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Chile and Argentina are both very comparable from what I hear (never been to Chile). I'd imagine they are both fairly safe. Neither of them are as safe as say, Sweden or Denmark, but neither is the United States. I'd say Buenos Aires is roughly as safe, if not safer, than any big city in the United States (New York, LA, etc). I'm not in constant fear like I'd be in Mexico City and for the most part I feel safe walking almost anywhere in the middle of the night; I can't even say that for some cities in the US.

JackOfSpeed 01-25-2007 02:51 PM

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Hi Metereon,

Thanks for doing this. Much appreciated.

How would you recommend going about finding a place, especially if we need to start the process from outside of the country? Craigslist Argentina doesn't seem very active. I hate the idea of getting down to Argentina without a place to stay, but I guess if that's what makes the most sense...

Also, do there seem to be opportunities for Americans to teach English in the city, even if our Spanish isn't very good yet? I know that's the case in a lot of other SA countries.


Thanks again for this thread, very helpful material so far.

JackOfSpeed 01-25-2007 03:02 PM

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Also, what do you know about "Cordoba Avenue, the area near Abasto;" and "Lezama Park, in the historical neighborhood of San Telmo"?

Thanks again

TheMetetron 01-25-2007 03:03 PM

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For finding a place, I'd recommend one of these two web sites:

www.apartmentsba.com

has pretty high quality customer service but they are insanely overpriced. I'd maybe get a place with them for a week or no more than a month if you want to search down here for a place. This will ensure your place is secured from the USA.

www.bytargentina.com

is more reasonably priced, but still not as good as doing it down here through the newspaper or something. Still, it's not bad and where I am renting my place from. The customer service is incredibly bad though. I can't get someone to resend the information about my place no matter how hard I try. Still, if you don't need much help, it's a good option.


There are opportunities for English teachers who don't speak much Spanish. You can do private lessons by taking an ad out through the newspaper and getting student thats way. You can also teach at an academy. Either way you will probably need to take a course that runs about a month long and about $1,000 or so to get certified. It certifies you to teach worldwide, however, so it is fairly useful. Your pay will vary from 20-30 pesos an hour depending on if it's an academy or private and how much experience you have.

TheMetetron 01-25-2007 03:09 PM

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Also, what do you know about "Cordoba Avenue, the area near Abasto;" and "Lezama Park, in the historical neighborhood of San Telmo"?

Thanks again

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Avenida Cordoba is a fairly major street here that runs from Puerto Madero to Amlagro. I have no idea what Abasto is and as big as that street is, it is hard to say much about it.

Parque Lezama is in San Telmo, very close to the border of La Boca. San Telmo is a bit out there (especially if you want to go to Palermo), but its sort of close to downtown and Puerto Madero. Still, the area you are talking about is closer to La Boca than downtown and I definitely wouldn't want to go anywhere near Boca at night. I haven't been to this park, so I could be wrong, but it doesn't seem like somewhere I'd want to live.

MrBlue 01-25-2007 03:26 PM

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Hey Met,

I'm heading down to BA in about 5 weeks. Where are some hot spots nowadays to meet and chat up beautiful girls? Although I can chat up a girl in Spanish, my two friends cannot and would be great if you know some places where girls are known to speak English.

TIA

EvanJC 01-25-2007 03:30 PM

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thanks for doing this metetron.

say, hypothetically, that i'm currently playing poker for a living in the U.S. for whatever reason, I decide i want to go visit argentina for 6 months, or 9 months, or whatever it might be. how would i go about getting set up to play at non-usa friendly sites? i saw earlier you recommended getting an account w/a Caribbean island nation. would you have any insight on how to get started with this?

also, how much non-bankroll savings would you recommend bringing with you for, say, a 6th month stay, assuming you'd have positive cash flow at some point? just the standard 3 month living expenses?

thanks

TheMetetron 01-25-2007 03:35 PM

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Hey Met,

I'm heading down to BA in about 5 weeks. Where are some hot spots nowadays to meet and chat up beautiful girls? Although I can chat up a girl in Spanish, my two friends cannot and would be great if you know some places where girls are known to speak English.

TIA

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The biggest hot spot is Opera Bay on Saturday nights. It's in Puerto Madero and is modeled after the Sydney Opera House. It's fairly massive and expensive by Argentine standards 30 pesos/$10 to get in and 10 pesos/$3 for a drink. For that reason it tends to attract rich local girls (who are usually more attractive than poor local girls) as well as tourists/expats. You will definitely meet people who speak English there for your friends. I wouldn't recommend showing up before 1 AM and plan to go outside to watch the sunrise and leave around 6-8 AM.

TheMetetron 01-25-2007 03:38 PM

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EvanJC,

I don't really know how it would work for being able to play at Non-USA sites. I took care of all of that in Sweden and just presented lease agreements. I imagine the same thing would work here.

As for Caribbean accounts, I have no idea. I use my Swiss account. I'd try just emailing/calling different banks in the Caymans and see what they say.

For a 6 month stay, I'd say you probably want $6,000 saved up + rent for the 6 months outside of your bankroll. But I'm also pretty cautious when it comes to these things. You could lose your entire bankroll this way and still be able to live here for the entire 6 months.

MrBlue 01-25-2007 03:47 PM

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Thanks! We'll definitely check that place out.

wdead 01-25-2007 03:52 PM

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im moving to Buenos Aires this summer

MrBlue 01-25-2007 03:59 PM

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IIRC, Nuevo Estilo in Palermo is the closest you'll get to an American style strip club in BA. Was there about 2.5 years ago and the place was PACKED with Argentine men and there were maybe 6-8 girls. It's not really a strip club in the American sense in that real penetration happens on stage but it is in that the girls do strip on stage. And I also didn't really care for seeing male patron's junk...

You can take the strippers next door for a quickie.

The place was so packed that I had to stand for the entire hr that we were there. It was an interesting experience but would not return.

RunDownHouse 01-25-2007 04:01 PM

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Just to offer a different POV,

There's much less good seafood than you'd expect from a giant city on the coast. When I went there, I definitely looked forward to all types of fish, only to be let down. Overall, don't expect really good sushi (although I can point you to at least one place) or seafood in general. The focus is beef, beef, beef, and if you're visiting, that's great. If you're living there, I'm sure you can figure things out for yourself.

MrBlue 01-25-2007 04:29 PM

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How about Sundays? I know Sundays are pretty much dead days no matter where you go but maybe you have some suggestions.

TheMetetron 01-25-2007 04:42 PM

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RDH,

When you live here you start to figure it out. It's true the focus is beef with a side of beef. But I've found good Indian, Chinese, Sushi, Italian, etc restaurants so far and I haven't even scratched the surface. It is a huge city after all. You may have to look a bit harder, but you can find almost anything here. But the focus is definitely beef at most places.

TheMetetron 01-25-2007 04:42 PM

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im moving to Buenos Aires this summer

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It is the summer.

ChicagoTroy 01-25-2007 05:14 PM

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TELL US ABOUT THE HOOKERS

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NSFW: http://www.escortsbaires.com.ar/
BA is allegedly the plastic surgery capitol of the world. It shows.

There is no such thing as a strip club there. All strippers are hookers. I didn't partake in any of that when I was there, but met guys who did. I'm too much of a germophobe to sleep with pros. There are also bars that are all-hookers. I couldn't tell the difference at first; there's a cover band, bar, etc. The only obvious thing was the hot girls were particularly friendly and didn't stay long before leaving with a dood.

Picking up in Argentina is very easy for an American. They differentiate between US people and US policy. You need to have Argentine friends though, and if it's female friends, women will sort of openly flirt. E.g., they'll openly talk to you, but they'll wait till your girlfriend goes to the bathroom before giving you their number (or showing up at your hotel). Guys who head out alone will have a lot more difficulty. There are a class of dolled up girls called "gatos" (cats) who basically shoot guys down all night and then talk about how cute they (the shot-down guys) were. Many women do this on the street with eye-contact games.

Also, if you get caught cheating, your girlfriend wants you more, as do other women. It's [censored] up. Women are insanely jealous and think nothing of going through your pockets after you go to bed after a night out with the guys, looking for evidence of chicanery. I knew a Canadian there who spoke the local accent perfectly, had lots of cash, and only dated ex-pats despite LOTs of options.

Age acceptable difference is freaky. I shot down girls when I found out they were 17 (looked 24). The 35-year-old next to me called me an idiot. Lots of guys get divorced around 40 and shack up with a late-teens, early 20's girl.

They are by and large very racist and unapologetic about it. I've seen people leaving their leftovers for a stray dog and ignoring the native-American, obviously hungry, prostitute on the corner.

TheMetetron 01-25-2007 05:18 PM

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Shooting down 17 year old girls is dumb. That's so legal here it isn't even funny. Especially if they looked older I don't see the objection to casual sex.

ChicagoTroy 01-25-2007 05:26 PM

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Shooting down 17 year old girls is dumb. That's so legal here it isn't even funny. Especially if they looked older I don't see the objection to casual sex.

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I was 26 and dating her English teacher. She also had a barbacoa party later and I saw the N'Sync posters in her room. There are too many options available to be nailing high schoolers and hookers.

That said, given the jealousy factor, a guy there by himself could hire an escort to go out with him for the social proof. Didn't try it, but having a cute girl on your arm attracts lots of female attention, whereas being alone doesn't.

ChicagoTroy 01-25-2007 05:33 PM

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TM,

Are you hanging out with mostly ex-pats or are you finding it easy to make friends with the locals? I had local friends already when I went, but found social groups to be pretty tight knit and thought it would have been hard to make inroads as an outsider.

TheMetetron 01-25-2007 06:06 PM

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TM,

Are you hanging out with mostly ex-pats or are you finding it easy to make friends with the locals? I had local friends already when I went, but found social groups to be pretty tight knit and thought it would have been hard to make inroads as an outsider.

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Most of my friends are young expats, but I do have about 5 or so Argentine friends who I've met.

veganmav 01-26-2007 08:42 PM

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If I want a 2 bedroom place in a neighborhood where I won't be robbed, and I don't care about much else. What is a reasonable price range (since I am trying to be thrifty) Idealy I would want a place less than 600 usd for 2 bedrooms..?

TheMetetron 01-26-2007 11:14 PM

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If I want a 2 bedroom place in a neighborhood where I won't be robbed, and I don't care about much else. What is a reasonable price range (since I am trying to be thrifty) Idealy I would want a place less than 600 usd for 2 bedrooms..?

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Your asking for a bit much for a 2 bedroom under $600 a month. The only way I see that happening is if you get in good with a local and get a regular unfurnished lease through them. But something a foreigner can rent, you just won't find something that cheap. The best I've found so far is $750 for some in Palermo Viejo, but they don't include internet.

Just search for places and as long as it's in Recoleta, Barrio Norte, Belgrano, or Palermo you will be fine. San Telmo is probably fine as well, but I wouldn't want to live there. It's probably the cheapest of the five though. I'd say you are more likely going to spend $750-$900 depending on the place you get if you are trying to be thrifty.

JaredL 01-27-2007 12:28 AM

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Just how good is the air?

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Dude, you can do better.

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OK fine.

1. When Argentines make jokes about dumb people (like Polock jokes in the US), where do the stupid people come from?
2. When Argentinian mothers tell their children to finish their food, from where do the starving people come? (ex. Africa, Ethiopia, India)
3. Do you like the juh sound they make when pronouncing words with y's or ll's? (Say this 5 times fast Yo lloré ya)
4. Same for "vos".
5. (probably the most important) Who is the best football player ever to put on a Sevilla jersey? (hint: it's incredibly easy to get this, if you can't watch, my avatar for a bit)
6. Know anything about this Fazio guy Sevilla just signed? He's a center back on the Argentina under 21 team.

TheMetetron 01-27-2007 12:37 AM

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Just how good is the air?

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Dude, you can do better.

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OK fine.

1. When Argentines make jokes about dumb people (like Polock jokes in the US), where do the stupid people come from?

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The United States

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2. When Argentinian mothers tell their children to finish their food, from where do the starving people come? (ex. Africa, Ethiopia, India)

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I'm pretty sure all those places are still much poorer than Argentina so I imagine they still work.

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3. Do you like the juh sound they make when pronouncing words with y's or ll's? (Say this 5 times fast Yo lloré ya)

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It's actually much more like a "sh" sound in the city of Buenos Aires, in the middle of nowhere parts of the country it is more like a "j". I personally like it a lot. It sounds much better.

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4. Same for "vos".

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Again, I like this. Everything that was irregular in tú is now regular in the vos form (vos querés / tú quieres). Also, the accent shift sounds good. How can you go wrong with "vos sos" instead of "tú eres"?

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5. (probably the most important) Who is the best football player ever to put on a Sevilla jersey? (hint: it's incredibly easy to get this, if you can't watch, my avatar for a bit)
6. Know anything about this Fazio guy Sevilla just signed? He's a center back on the Argentina under 21 team.

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Football sucks.

TheMetetron 01-29-2007 06:08 AM

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Bump requesting moving this to the El Diablo forum. I believe it works better there. I am on the Diablo "you can make threads list" so I hope this isn't a problem. If Diablo wants to nuke it or move it back, it is all good.

Chairman Wood 01-29-2007 10:29 AM

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I've always wanted to vist BA and plan on doing so this summer. I'm Mexican/Puerto Rican so I'm kinda brown. Will the the people in general hate on me because of this? How will the women respond? I speak Spanish pretty well and do well with the ladies here, but I've always heard of the Argentineans having pretty racist tendencies...

Also, I'd want to live in an apartment within walking distance to the bars and clubs. What town should I be looking at?

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I've been on vacation so I'm a little late in getting to this thread. I'll expand on some of Met's posts. No one is really going to hate on you for being a little brown here but there definately exists a strong streotype that the more darker red/brown you are, the more likely you are to be poor. Concerning the ladies, any sort of superficial defency you have in being a little brown can be more then made up with the superficial fact that you probably make at least 5 times as much $ then they do.

Chairman Wood 01-29-2007 10:52 AM

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by multicultural I was referring to the European feel... I guess I meant "which country feels more like South America," or "what are some towns that feel more culturally South American" because I had heard that Buenos Aires was a very international city

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I would say that is accurate. I've described parts of this city to others as a "Poor man's Paris." Considering other towns, I don't necessarily know where to start answering your question. What is necessarily South American? Cause, I would say perhaps that Buenos Airesd is more European than South American however, is Lima more South American then Rio? One thing, though within Argentina, there are few cities that are like Buenos Aires. Regionalism is quite high and a theme of a lot of Argentine history is the struggle between other parts of the country with a dominating central power in Buenos Aires. Could be viewed as similar to some of the US's conflicts concerning Federalism/States Rights. So a lot of other towns in Argentina pride themselves on not being like BsAs.

Chairman Wood 01-29-2007 11:14 AM

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For a 6 month stay, I'd say you probably want $6,000 saved up + rent for the 6 months outside of your bankroll. But I'm also pretty cautious when it comes to these things. You could lose your entire bankroll this way and still be able to live here for the entire 6 months.

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That's not a bad estimate but I would like to say that amount is more then enough. I probably spend slightly more and I eat out a lot at nice places, always take a bottle of wine at a restaurant, have a maid, travel a bit etc. A friend of mine told me with $5000 he could live in BsAs for two years without a job. Now, you know that you are not going to be living alone in a nice area but if you really want to cut corners to live on the cheap it's possible.

Chairman Wood 01-29-2007 11:21 AM

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How about Sundays? I know Sundays are pretty much dead days no matter where you go but maybe you have some suggestions.

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For nightlife? Yes you are right as many things are closed but there is almost always some bar open in Plaza Serrano every night of the week. There won't be much dancing but there will always be a few people there grabbing drinks. Although I don't really like it much, The Kilkenney, this bar that fancies itself an Irish Pub, I know is popular and open on Sunday nights.

faded 01-29-2007 11:21 AM

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what is the cost of living like? i've been looking at apartments on bytargentina.com, so i have a general idea of what to expect as far as an apartment goes, but what about food? (i don't want to eat fast food every meal, but i also dont want to eat at the nicest restaurant in town every night) how about transportation costs? is it easy to get everywhere in the city?

also, do they have wi-fi hotspots around the city? if an apartment doesnt have hi-speed internet, would it be hard to get the landlord to add it?

thx

Chairman Wood 01-29-2007 11:55 AM

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OK fine.

1. When Argentines make jokes about dumb people (like Polock jokes in the US), where do the stupid people come from?


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When they pick on other countries, usually Bolivia. That may be because they are viewed here sort of like Mexicans in the US that illegally immigrate there and take [censored] jobs that don't require any education. Within BsAs, I guess anyone from the interior of the country.


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5. (probably the most important) Who is the best football player ever to put on a Sevilla jersey? (hint: it's incredibly easy to get this, if you can't watch, my avatar for a bit)
6. Know anything about this Fazio guy Sevilla just signed? He's a center back on the Argentina under 21 team.


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Football sucks.

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Even with all of the other good information you have given in this thread, I would really doubt that you have ever been to Argentina if I hadn't seen you in person. If you have any hope of trying to fit in here you really have to get your Diego knowledge up to par.

Concerning Fazio, I follow football here and I didn't know much about him until the news came of his transfer. This doesn't mean he isn't any good but the team he was on I believe is in the 2nd division. So he doesn't really make Sportcenter.

Chairman Wood 01-29-2007 12:23 PM

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Did you travel much elsewhere in South America? If so, how would you compare those places to Argentina?


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I have briefly been to Brazil, (few hours) Chile (below and only for a day) and I went to Uruguay to Punta del Este for a few days. So I haven't really been around other countries in South America but I have done some traveling within Argentina. IMO, it's a shame that so many people come to this country and only see Buenos Aires and a few places around here. This country has a wealth of natural parks and beautiful places that must be seen. Here is a sample of some of the places I've been (not even a drop in the bucket though):

Glacier Perrito Moreno:




Torres del Paine (actually in Chile but right near the Argentine Border):

[image]http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/4...alafhy7.th.jpg[/image]

Iguazu Falls:
[image]http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/9...e170fs8.th.jpg[/image]

Chairman Wood 01-29-2007 12:26 PM

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Not good at linking images. Here is the Glacier again:

[image]http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/9...alafbb7.th.jpg[/image]

Chairman Wood 01-29-2007 12:55 PM

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what is the cost of living like? i've been looking at apartments on bytargentina.com, so i have a general idea of what to expect as far as an apartment goes, but what about food?

[/ QUOTE ] Still cheap, the best value is food, especially beef. You can get some a really nice New York Strip steak (Bife de Chorizo) for $5 in a lot of places. Wine is cheap as well. Obviously in a supermarket things are really cheap too.

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how about transportation costs? is it easy to get everywhere in the city?

[/ QUOTE ] Taxi rides start at a little less then $1. You should be able to get anywhere you want to go in the city for less then $6. Subway system is crowded during a lot of the day but is fast just as long as the place you need to go is along the line. They don't have a web like a lot of other cities. All the lines run kind of in the same direction (to downtown) and meet there. So going in a perpendicular direction of the lines is kind of tough. They cost rougly 0.25. Buses are a few cents more expensive and they have a really good network of those that run all day. This is how most people get around the city.


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also, do they have wi-fi hotspots around the city? if an apartment doesnt have hi-speed internet, would it be hard to get the landlord to add it?

thx


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Not yet on the Wi-fi. You should be able to get your landlord to add internet quite easily.

TheMetetron 01-29-2007 02:50 PM

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Although I don't really like it much, The Kilkenney, this bar that fancies itself an Irish Pub

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Is this the one a few blocks from my place? I've been meaning to check it out sometime. You don't like it?

TheMetetron 01-29-2007 03:01 PM

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what is the cost of living like? i've been looking at apartments on bytargentina.com, so i have a general idea of what to expect as far as an apartment goes, but what about food?

[/ QUOTE ] Still cheap, the best value is food, especially beef. You can get some a really nice New York Strip steak (Bife de Chorizo) for $5 in a lot of places. Wine is cheap as well. Obviously in a supermarket things are really cheap too.

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Food is ridiculously cheap. I probably eat out at what would be $20+ a plate dinners in the United States for just the entree several times a week. The entrees usually run $4-6. A side of potatoes is $2. A bottle of wine at a restaurant is maybe $7-10. So if I go out with a few friends it is under $10 with tip for what would be a $30-40 meal in the USA.

It should also be noted when we give prices that includes tax (VAT). VAT is 21% here and listed in all prices (like Europe).

If you weren't like me and eat out all the time, I'm positive you could spend just a few bucks a day on food and survive just fine. I finally went to the fuiteria today and bought some apples, bananas, and oranges. I didn't notice the exact prices but it worked out to about 45 cents a pound, so fruit is fairly cheap here as well.

The other thing that is cheap is Argentine labor. So haircuts, massages, maids, etc. Maids are $2/hr, haircut with shampoo was $6, Chairman Wood can give massage prices... I haven't had the pleasure yet. Things made in Argentina are very cheap as well (leather, beef, etc).

I'd say outside from rent, the cost of living is approximately 1/3 of the cost of living in say California.

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how about transportation costs? is it easy to get everywhere in the city?

[/ QUOTE ] Taxi rides start at a little less then $1. You should be able to get anywhere you want to go in the city for less then $6. Subway system is crowded during a lot of the day but is fast just as long as the place you need to go is along the line. They don't have a web like a lot of other cities. All the lines run kind of in the same direction (to downtown) and meet there. So going in a perpendicular direction of the lines is kind of tough. They cost rougly 0.25. Buses are a few cents more expensive and they have a really good network of those that run all day. This is how most people get around the city.

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I actually think you are a bit high on the cab ride prices, but you do live a bit farther from downtown then I do as well. I've yet to have a cab ride go over $4 so far, except the one time my accent was off and the cab driver couldn't figure out where I wanted to go so we drove in circles. Most cab rides are about $3 for me. Usually it takes no more than 10 minutes to get most places I want to go; the city is also very walkable for about 10 blocks in any direction. I've yet to take the subway or bus because I'm a lazy bastard. I really need to start though.

One day I'll take a bus into Boca and watch a football game.


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also, do they have wi-fi hotspots around the city? if an apartment doesnt have hi-speed internet, would it be hard to get the landlord to add it?

thx


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Not yet on the Wi-fi. You should be able to get your landlord to add internet quite easily.

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Yeah, the landlord should be able to add it to any listing on BytArgentina. You just have to make sure you make it known well in advance and you should probably be renting the place for a few months. I think 1Mbps internet is somewhere around an extra $40-50/mo.

TheMetetron 01-29-2007 03:05 PM

Re: Ask TheMetetron about living in or visiting Buenos Aires, Argentin
 
I'm relinking your images. Inlines are fine I think.

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Torres del Paine (Argentina/Chile Border)

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Igazu Falls

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La Calafate (Glacier Perrito Moreno)


So sad I haven't left BsAs yet!

Subfallen 01-30-2007 07:47 PM

Re: Ask TheMetetron about living in or visiting Buenos Aires, Argentin
 
Metetron -

After spending the day at Barnes & Nobles reading Argentina travel books, I'm leaning heavily towards a BA relocation. Any further experiences you can share regarding setting up an account with Party (and Neteller?) would be enormously appreciated.

whangarei 01-30-2007 09:12 PM

Re: Ask TheMetetron about living in or visiting Buenos Aires, Argentin
 
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IMO, it's a shame that so many people come to this country and only see Buenos Aires and a few places around here. This country has a wealth of natural parks and beautiful places that must be seen.

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Beautiful country. Im curious if you travelled outside of BA by car. I like to take day trips/explore by car, and I am wondering if it is feasible to live in BA and have a car.


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