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People seemed to be real uneducated and rude

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I don't want to sound racists, but Chinese people seem to be very rude, have no manners and no concern for their appearance. It's funny that most Japanese are the polar opposite of this.

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My family and I are from Hong Kong, and we like differentiate ourselves from people coming from China. Your above description of Chinese people matches our stereotype of people from China.

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Concur with the Japanese comment. People in Japan generally are very polite and treat guests with much respect. Lots of bowing and respects for people around them.

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Edit: Ah screw it.

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dude i'm going to HK next semester and i was looking forward to side trips to macau but no poker + no low stakes gambling = [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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Is Macau a must see? I'm going to HK soon for about a week and I'm wondering if I should split off 2-3 or more days for Macau. Not really looking to spend tons of cash but if its awesome I'll go.

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Macau is an absolute must see!
No poker unfortunately. Some places are amazing though. BUT if you are not looking to spend money then just stay in HK. Time of your life in Macau will run you about $500-700usd a day.

You can go cheaper but you'll be missing out. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

All IMO however, you may be interested in other forms of entertainment.

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167- I know how to have the time of your life in Macau for only 50USD a day. They must have ripped you off or something.

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I went in fall 2005 and there was zero poker...I dont know if things have changed since then but i couldn't find any games.

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I went in fall 2005 and there was zero poker...I dont know if things have changed since then but i couldn't find any games.

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And I would NOT expect ANY Texas Hold'em in Macau until WPT arrives at the MGM Grand Macau in either 2008 or 2009.

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167- I know how to have the time of your life in Macau for only 50USD a day. They must have ripped you off or something.

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LOL. I think the standards are different, or you might like to enlighten us. I'll start, my first stop always in Macau is the Rio. Just that place alone will run me about $200-300usd (if I want stars)

There are other fun places at very reasonable prices but I like to go to the better ones. Degen can find all the more inexpensive places in Thailand. When you in Macau, you might as well go to the first class establishments. Can you name a place that's better? (Under 500usd)

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AS I read, you guy mention, there are a lot of loan shard , gangster, triad in Macau. I guess there is very safe to open up a game such as texas holdem. Imagine, there is one of this guy in the game. And you about to go All-In. And this guy say "I kill you if you go all in". What do you do? Who protect you?. you know how it is. I am sure you have met this opponent in real life game at casino. But in casino of America, there is security in the casino to protect you. and there is police out side to protect you. So, you are not scare. But in Macau, casino don't care. If they do, there would not be so many loan shark in their casino. or maybe security even scare of them. And outside, police probably useless with this guys more or less. If they do care, there probably not so many gangster and triad existed. I heard these triad are related to government at some level. Anyway, game that you against casino is safe. but players against players is dangerous. I would think. that if you play day in and day out. But I would be interest to see if they have texas holdem game there soon.

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correction: "I guess there is very safe to open up a game such as texas holdem" to I guess there is NOT very safe to open up a game such as texas holdem

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The only "real" gangstas in China is the Government. Im out here in Dongguan City for the next few months and 3 years ago when I was 22 I lived in Guangzhou for about 4 months.

The above comment from the Hong Kong Resident is completely wrong, maybe because Im an American I get treated different, but the Chinese are the exact oppisite of what the man described. They are EXTREMELY kind, much nicer then Americans. They also make sure you have eaten, and are willing to help you in any means necassary. Again maybe it is because the color of my skin, but I find the culture to be a very courtesy and kind culture.

Hong Kong residents, as well as Taiwan residents like to not think of themselves as Chinese, well without the mainland Hong Kong would be a complete dump. Where do you think all the money in Hong Kong comes from?

I do agree with you on the way they dress, but they dont have nearly the money that Hong Kong residents do, so where do you expect them to go out and buy clothes?

Im sorry but for a Hong Kong resident you are very ignorant and it seems I know more about the mainland then you.

Also I think it is complete [censored] that the government rarely issues visas for Mainland China residents to go to Hong Kong. It is not fair for them.

To the guy who is studying in Hong Kong....Have you found any games because I wil be visiting Hong Kong several times during my stay here, and have not been able to find any games around me.


I havent gone to Macau yet but hopefully will get a chance since Im so close.

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i'll will send you the msn nicknames of all HK holdem players.

they play NL HE with standard buyin 500$ HK. guys play bottom pair like the NUTXORS. have fun.

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a bit off topic, but somewhat related; some guy in a 25-50nl game in ac told me that they have private games somewhat regularly in aruba. the game takes place at some hotel and has local police guarding it to protect people's money. he claimed the stakes can get pretty large, up to 50-100nl. they welcome any american tourists into the game and the donators are rich south americans. he said that the arubans are taught to play very tight and only call allins with sets.

pretty strange

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Back to topic:
Still no Poker whatsoever in Macau, i`ll be there in June and a friend of mine who lives in HK told me there`s nothing there yet. Private games/tourneys in HK is where I`m gonna play, although the blind structures usually make the tourneys a craproll.
I don`t know if the Chinese appetite for action games would allow a game like poker to get a big hold there in Macau, but if (!!!) I think I would be there for months, think about all those impatient chinese gamblers who come to Macau for only one day or two... ATMs, no pin code required! hahaha

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You in Tokyo? I'm up here in Hokkaido.

There is also nothing here as well, I go to HK/Macau twice a year but only for the clubs. Last checked at Sands & Wynn and there was no poker.

I'm thinking about going to Walker Hill in GW, heard there's a poker room there.

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Nope, still no poker in Macau, But Steve Wynn is sure changing that city around since Stanley no longer got it monopolized.

I think or i should say (hope) within the year they start at least putting a few tables. I think maybe if we can get enough people asking and maybe sending our request to the appropriate person, we could get the ball rolling.

I live in Dongguan City, and will pretty much be splitting my time here and the United States for my career. Ive only been in DG a month and have found no games around here.

Help me out if you guys know of any, as well as the games in HK, HK, is only about 80 min away.

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i do some business there, therefore, i have been to macau 4 times in the last 6 months. no poker for now. the demand for it is not there - yet.

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The big obstacle to getting Texas Hold'em, at least in tournament form, into Hong Kong and Macau is the Hong Kong Jockey Club (HKJC), which has a exclusive government-granted monopoly on legalized gambling in Hong Kong (with the exception of neighborhood Mahjong "schools").

Anyone who wants to hold a successful Texas Hold'em tournament in Hong Kong and/or Macau will need to expose the TV audience in Hong Kong (where the majority of Macau high rollers still live) to Texas Hold'em tournaments on TV first.

However, media laws in Hong Kong will NOT allow the TV outfits, broadcast or cable/broadband, to air Texas Hold'em tournaments unless the TV producer is granted a license by the HKJC.

PartyGaming CEO Mitch Garber was in Hong Kong last December for a meeting with HKJC officials.

One would expect that WPTE CEO Steve Lipscomb won't be far behind in arranging a meeting with HKJC officials given that WPT's biggest casino partner MGM MIRAGE will open the MGM Grand Macau by December 2007.

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"I will be going to HK in early January and will be spending about 4 days in Macau."

i dont think macau is that interesting.

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If you guys want to see "real China", even though it isnt "real China", check out Guangzhou, it is a mad fun city for bars and clubs, and if you like asian girls that arent as stuck up as the Hong Kong chicks.

Hong Kong is awsome, but overall just too expensive and it is just too much overall. I actually prefer partying in Guangzhou to Hong Kong. In HK you cant really smoke bud freely like in GZ.

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Any updates? I fly to Macau tomorrow and am still holding out hope either Sands or Wynn will have some Holdem tables going.

I'll give my report next week regardless.

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They dont have Hold'em.. sorry man..

I've been in HK for a few months and out to Macau twice. My roomate's cousin is head of table games at Wynn and there's still no demand for Hold'em..

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That sucks.

Any Holdem action in HK or mainland China? I'll be in the area for a month.

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This is a really funny thread. I travel to China 3 or 4 times per year. Love the country, the people, the food... but I will say... standing in line is completely different protocol there... the person behind you will get up on you! and if you don't close that gap in front of you, they will suck it up in an instant. The culture has no tolerance for extra space, or wasted time, in any context.

Bummed to read that a side trip to Macau will not involve poker. But I do enjoy Pai-Gow Poker, can I get confirmation that this game is available? Or just baccarat?

Please advise.

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I've been living in Shanghai for 5 months now, and i think whats being talked about in this thread is sort of half correct.

The Chinese, on a personal level, are very kind and polite.

However, on the day to day impersonal level, trying to get somewhere, waiting in line, anyone you interact with that you don't know, yes they are as a whole considerably more rude than you'd be used to in the States.

There are areas full of rich people, but then there are tons of areas full of the poor/styleless, mostly because they just don't have the money.

Its more economic than cultural.

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is mah jong a skill game. what stakes? are there pros? do you have to speak chinese?

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mah jong is definitely a skill game, but you might get in 10 "games" per hour, and the stakes are basically never nosebleed since the game serves mostly as a social gathering point rather than a gambol/gambol event.

All the big whales just play huge table games, poker's not at all a part of traditional Chinese culture.

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what stakes do they play? thanks.

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I've never heard of any game that was ever bigger than the equivalent of something like $USD 20/point, and that'd be considered close to nosebleed by most of the population, given average incomes.

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Hi Can you Pm me the nicknames too please? I live in Hong Kong, I know there is a regular Poker Meetup club for around US $250 buy in - but haven't been yet - mostly play on-line with occasional home games.

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I lived in Hongkong, I would fly to Manila to play poker, there's a casino 2 minutes away from the Airport but there's too many goodlooking filipinos and I would end up hooking up with one of players. After playing I would fly back to Hongkong, win or lose I always have a goodtime.

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I would say in the Dongguan area, you could find MANY willing to play high stakes Maj-on, there are ALOT of rich people, not saying rich like a few million, but Multi millions.

In DG, you always see Benz's flying down the road. And unlike the USA where a nice S500 will cost you roughly 100,000 US it is double the cost out here. So the guys in the benz's here are basically driving a car that cost as much as a Bently.

Also, please give me info about the casino in Manila, I love filipinos even more then the Chinese girls. The filipinos are nice and dark and have curves since their from Spanish ancestry.

How long of flight from HK, cost, and stakes at the casino?

thanks

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BA, your a beast poker player sir. gl in future

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Walker Hill in Seoul has a poker room, any info in that place? Much rather go to Korea than Manila.

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Walker Hill in Seoul has a poker room, any info in that place? Much rather go to Korea than Manila.

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Liquidpoker might be a good place to ask, a couple of the regulars play in Seoul a lot (e.g, Rekrul, I think he plays professionally in the cardrooms there?)

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Wow, more info on Seoul ASAP.

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I've also heard of some decent games in Seoul, nice action though you might not walk away with your winnings in some of the bigger games. I understand that there are local Koreans, expats, and returnees in these games.

I don't know how it is in Japan, but in the China mainland it's almost all foreigners playing, especially when you get to medium stakes. Beijing (I live there) has at least 4 groups playing 2x/week, blinds range from 1/2 to 10/20 (RMB, not $). Most of these are basically open homegames, though the 10/20 games are well run with some decent players, and there are some monthly large field and larger buyin tourneys.

Shanghai I understand is similar, though I don't know that it is as well organized.

HK has some clubs where you can play, a few buddies have played there and said they were good.

Conventional wisdom here is that this is the way it's going to stay for a while...Macau is at least a year away from having anything, betfair was promising but not very big, and the asian poker tour turned out to be a joke. If you want to get into chinese gambling other than table games, forget poker...you'll be playing MJ or DouDiZhu

PM if you want more info about games on the mainland (esp. Beijing)

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Lebowski,
Mahjong is a skilled game. There are many different types of mahjong: Taiwanese 16 tiles, Beijing 16 tiles, Canto 13 tiles. (I don't know the actual English name so I just translated as i know in Chinese). I've seen my parents and their friends for a big amount of money that'd end in like a win or loss of thousands in a day depending on the game you play. It's definitely more interesting than poker and I had been teaching my friends to play it for a while.

Also, I've seen people address you as KKF. What's up with that?

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my previous 2+2 alias was kanekungfu123, among others.

Playing mahjong sounds like a sick way to pick up chicks.