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Ohio State would be a lock over Hawaii, not LSU or USC. I meant to say I'd love for tOSU to play Hawaii.

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Ohio State would be a lock over Hawaii, not LSU or USC. I meant to say I'd love for tOSU to play Hawaii.

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I would take Ohio State -17 against Hawaii. I just checked and Sagarin Predictor has Ohio State better by 14 points. Ohio State is 3 points better than LSU according to the predictor, and 5 points better than USC. Since it doesn't take into account the injuries USC had, it should be close to a pick-em against USC. After watching LSU week in and week out, the 3 point line favoring OSU seems about right.

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8 team playoff. Top 2 teams get a bye to the 3rd round.

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10 game regular season, 16 team playoff

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The correct answer. Just like 1-AA, first round game at better seed. Then second round and further at Pasadena, New Orleans, etc.

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Yeah, something like this.
Just let the conference winners in even from the mid-majors. It works for college hoops just fine. Even though a 16 seed has never beaten a 1 seed there have still been some exciting games. You can still keep the conference championships to determine who represents each conference.

You will have 5 at-larges plus champs of the 11 conferences:
ACC, Big 12, Big East, Big 10, C-USA, MAC, MWC, Pac 10, SEC, Sun Belt, WAC


Other elgibile teams can still go to smaller bowl games. I don't think this set-up makes it any less prestigious for 6th place Big 10 or 4th place CUSA or 3rd place MAC to go play at the Fort Worth Bowl or Emerald Bowl or Pointsettia Bowl or GMAC Bowl, etc.

These smaller bowls don't exactly need to be protected in the first place imo. Many of them are relatively new and only came on the scene because they are able to take advantage of the system and get a TV contract, etc.
hell, most people joke about the sillyness and pointlessness of some of these smaller bowl games.


It wasn't too long ago, less than 10 years, that a 10-1 Miami, Ohio team that beat a #11 ranked UNC did not get an invite to any bowl simply because there weren't enough bowls around and they just weren't a big enough attraction.
Only one MAC team went to a bowl and that year Marshall with Pennington and Moss went 11-0.
Meanwhile, 6-5 UNC went to the Las Vegas Bowl that year.

I think there were 16 or 17 bowl games 10 yrs ago perhaps...as opposed to 32 or 33 now I think.

Now you have 3 bowl games guaranteed for the MAC and 5 bowl games for the freaking CUSA. This is great for those conferences. They get revenue and get on TV, etc etc.
But these are bowl games that are NOT steeped in tradition or in dying need of being preserved.
Even the small schools that get their chance to go to bowls no longer get THAT excited about it.
And again, I'm not even sure that a playoff system would need to detract from the pagentry and excitement that is the Motor City Bowl one little bit.

I mean, it's nice for Troy to go to a bowl, but I think they are more excited about competing with an SEC team in the regular season than they are about taking on a Northern Illinois in the Emerald Bowl like they did a couple yrs ago.


But think of the excitement for a Central Michigan or Hawaii or BYU or UCF if we set it up so that they get their shot at LSU or WV or whoever.
Yeah, most of the time they'll get killed. But I honestly don't see why that's such a horrible thing when we have the exact same thing in the college hoops tourney every year.

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My understanding is that the problem isn't that a tourney would make less money than the Bowls. The problem is that tourney revenue would have to be split amongst all teams and not just the BCS teams.

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The reason I hate the BCS is, that in the best possible situation (clear cut #1 and #2), then it "works fine". However, it isn't needed in this case. Who needs the computers to tell you who the obvious #1 and #2 are? In all other situations, especially this year, it's up for debate.

There should be drastic changes, every "major" conference needs a championship game. So get more teams in the Big East and Big 10 and get everyone a championship game. The winners of those get auto bid to the playoff. This completely smashes the lame argument that the regular season is so meaningful now and would be ruined by a playoff. Last I checked, NCAAB regular season is still important and intense. Teams chasing a playoff spot in fb would want to win every game obviously. There would still be rivalries. I'm not sure how people can make the "regular season would be diminished with a playoff" argument.

Every game isn't ultra-important, just because a team loses early and it knocks them out of the BCS #1 race doesn't make every other game meaningless. Michigan lost 2 to start the year, and still played hard and won 8 in a row, this is why a playoff would be great, teams who start slow but finish well could and should be considered championship contenders. Also teams need to stop playing Divison 2 teams, it's a huge waste of time, either the team wins easily or they somehow lose and are just humiliated.

Sort of reminds me of the whole "Tim Tebow shouldn't win the Heisman, he's only a Soph." argument I sometimes hear. Why does age or class even have a factor in this? If no one that young has won it before, maybe they weren't mature enough to take on tough college competition. Tebow has been all season and deserves the award. I think him being a Soph actually should help his cause, but I haven't heard anyone say that.

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Playoffs suck and are more of a crapshoot than the current system. Plus some of these kids are already playing 14 game seasons which is absolutely ridiculous. If a playoff is added we'd be forcing some unpaid college kids to play in as many games as professional football players. College players should be getting paid anyways.

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The reason we need a playoff is, and with more than four teams, is sample size. If you really want to find out who the best team is (at least by proving it on the field), then the current system doesn't provide that. With 7/8/9 games within conferences and very few non-conference games between top teams, you have no idea how strong each team or conference is. Right now Missouri and WVU are at the top, but most people consider that there are at least 3 or 4 teams better than they are. At least an 8 team, better yet 16 team, playoff is needed to determine who deserves to be called the best.

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I'd love to see an 8 team playoff. 6 BCS Conference champions. The 2 extra spots go to 1. Any other undefeated team, then 2. The best available team as determined by whatever formula is deemed best to determine the best at large team.

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I meant to say I'd love for tOSU to play Hawaii.

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Tell the coach/AD to schedule them home/home in the future. Since they are paper tigers. Road game in Hawaii doesn't even count against the '12 game' limit. Hawaii was even giving a $750,000 guaranteed payout to visitors.

Guess Akron, Youngstown St, and Kent St are enough.

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Last I checked, NCAAB regular season is still important and intense.

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I meant to say I'd love for tOSU to play Hawaii.

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Tell the coach/AD to schedule them home/home in the future. Since they are paper tigers. Road game in Hawaii doesn't even count against the '12 game' limit. Hawaii was even giving a $750,000 guaranteed payout to visitors.

Guess Akron, Youngstown St, and Kent St are enough.

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Er, they just played a home and home with Texas. They play a home and home with both USC and Miami(FL) in the next few years. Ohio State consistently schedules very hard OOC games despite playing a BCS conference schedule. Hawaii plays a WAC schedule and still felt the need to schedule 2 FCS teams this year.

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hawaii is allowed to travel to non-conference games too if they are serious about playing teams slightly more prestigious than Northern Colorado.
It works both ways. I don't buy their sob story.

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Hawaii plays a WAC schedule and still felt the need to schedule 2 FCS teams this year.

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Nobody would play them. Michigan State actually paid $250K to get out of their game this year.

Next year:

# 2008 Non-Conference Schedule:
# Aug. 30 at Florida
# Sept. 6 Weber State
# Sept. 13 at Oregon State
# Nov. 29 Washington State
# Dec. 6 Cincinnati

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Last I checked, NCAAB regular season is still important and intense.

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Yeah you're right, no one cares about NCAAB, seeds dont matter, its all just a crapshoot anyway right?

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I don't care much about college football. What outcomes should I be rooting for next weekend if my desire is whatever creates the most whining?

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OU beats Mizzou, Pitt beats WVA. That would put tOSU and UGA in the BCS championship, which would cause approximately four million people to shoot themselves in the head.

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I can't paste URLs when on the road but if someone can repaste the story I posted last night, its pretty interesting. The internet sports books make USC a solid favorite if we had a playoff, with OSU or LSU second.

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I can't paste URLs when on the road but if someone can repaste the story I posted last night, its pretty interesting. The internet sports books make USC a solid favorite if we had a playoff, with OSU or LSU second.

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They had Georgia and KU at 16:1 while USC was 2:1. Sounds like a big joke to me.

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I wish Colt Brennan could stay at Hawaii bc i want to see him in action against Tebow and hang 60 on their ass. Of course Uf would win80-60 due to Hawaii and lack of defense.

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The reason I hate the BCS is, that in the best possible situation (clear cut #1 and #2), then it "works fine". However, it isn't needed in this case. Who needs the computers to tell you who the obvious #1 and #2 are? In all other situations, especially this year, it's up for debate.

There should be drastic changes, every "major" conference needs a championship game. So get more teams in the Big East and Big 10 and get everyone a championship game. The winners of those get auto bid to the playoff. This completely smashes the lame argument that the regular season is so meaningful now and would be ruined by a playoff. Last I checked, NCAAB regular season is still important and intense. Teams chasing a playoff spot in fb would want to win every game obviously. There would still be rivalries. I'm not sure how people can make the "regular season would be diminished with a playoff" argument.

Every game isn't ultra-important, just because a team loses early and it knocks them out of the BCS #1 race doesn't make every other game meaningless. Michigan lost 2 to start the year, and still played hard and won 8 in a row, this is why a playoff would be great, teams who start slow but finish well could and should be considered championship contenders. Also teams need to stop playing Divison 2 teams, it's a huge waste of time, either the team wins easily or they somehow lose and are just humiliated.

Sort of reminds me of the whole "Tim Tebow shouldn't win the Heisman, he's only a Soph." argument I sometimes hear. Why does age or class even have a factor in this? If no one that young has won it before, maybe they weren't mature enough to take on tough college competition. Tebow has been all season and deserves the award. I think him being a Soph actually should help his cause, but I haven't heard anyone say that.

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Four team playoff. No more than that.

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4 teams solves most of the BCS problems and has the "benefit" of maintaining the remaining bowls.

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I meant to say I'd love for tOSU to play Hawaii.

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Tell the coach/AD to schedule them home/home in the future. Since they are paper tigers. Road game in Hawaii doesn't even count against the '12 game' limit. Hawaii was even giving a $750,000 guaranteed payout to visitors.

Guess Akron, Youngstown St, and Kent St are enough.

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750k vs $5 million... hmmm.

Anyway, we traveled to Washington this year, who was good when we scheduled them (too bad they fell apart since then). Even as the worst Pac-10 team, they might actually beat the Rainbow Warriors. And rather than play in an environment with baboons for fans, we are going to go to USC next year. Oh no!

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I fully support a 4 team playoff.

This would keep the regular season very important, losing a single game puts you in jeopardy of missing the playoff, and losing two eliminates you 99% of the time.

We already have a 2 team playoff so expanding it to 4 is a less dramatic step than to a larger number.

And as others have pointed out, you are playing for #1 so #5 really has no business complaining. They WILL of course complain, but to hell with them.

Expanding the playoff to including too many teams (8 or even some people say 16) is just far too many. It would make the regular season much less important. You would have many two loss and even three loss teams making it every year. Also the preseason polls (which are a load of crap and should be abolished) would decide which 2-3 loss teams actually made it, as there are MANY 2-3 loss teams at the end of the year.

Also - Carl from Aqua Teen Hunger Force talks about the BCS

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I meant to say I'd love for tOSU to play Hawaii.

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Tell the coach/AD to schedule them home/home in the future. Since they are paper tigers. Road game in Hawaii doesn't even count against the '12 game' limit. Hawaii was even giving a $750,000 guaranteed payout to visitors.

Guess Akron, Youngstown St, and Kent St are enough.

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$5 million as in "if we go to Hawaii we might lose and get knocked out of the NC game"?

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Easiest way to implement a 4 team playoff would be to just reseed the BCS after the Jan 1 bowls and let the top 2 play the NC game. The top 4 teams would have to win their game and its not like a team that just lost its bowl game would ever play the NC game.

The advantage of this is that it keeps the existing powers happy. The NC game is owned by the other BCS bowls so you wouldn't be taking any money out of their pocket and it keeps the schools and alumni happy because it preserves the existing bowl structure.

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I meant to say I'd love for tOSU to play Hawaii.

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Tell the coach/AD to schedule them home/home in the future. Since they are paper tigers. Road game in Hawaii doesn't even count against the '12 game' limit. Hawaii was even giving a $750,000 guaranteed payout to visitors.

Guess Akron, Youngstown St, and Kent St are enough.

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$5 million as in "if we go to Hawaii we might lose and get knocked out of the NC game"?

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No. Each home game for Ohio State generates about $5M. Even going to the NC game doesn't generate $5M for Ohio State.

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I meant to say I'd love for tOSU to play Hawaii.

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Tell the coach/AD to schedule them home/home in the future. Since they are paper tigers. Road game in Hawaii doesn't even count against the '12 game' limit. Hawaii was even giving a $750,000 guaranteed payout to visitors.

Guess Akron, Youngstown St, and Kent St are enough.

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$5 million as in "if we go to Hawaii we might lose and get knocked out of the NC game"?

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No. Each home game for Ohio State generates about $5M. Even going to the NC game doesn't generate $5M for Ohio State.

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So what is your point, exactly?
Hawaii at Ohio State, you get $5M
Ohio State at Hawaii, you get $750,000. You do not lose a home game. If you play at Hawaii, you get to play 13 games. Repeat, you do not lose a home game. You can schedule a home game vs Ohio School for the Quadraplegic and get your $5M.

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I thought the rule that games in Hawaii (and Alaska) don't count on your limit only applies to Basketball.

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I thought the rule that games in Hawaii (and Alaska) don't count on your limit only applies to Basketball.

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Wrong. Note that 4-8 Washington is playing at Hawaii Saturday. 4+8+1 = 13.

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Expanding the playoff to including too many teams (8 or even some people say 16) is just far too many. It would make the regular season much less important.

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But it would make the post-season much more exciting; and it's not as if a 16 team playoff lets in that many teams, especially if it's limited to the 11 conference winners and 5 at-large teams. For a BCS school, getting into such a playoff would likely mean: 1) winning their conference, which I think most all of us agree should be rewarded or 2) getting an at-large spot, which would probably mean losing no more than two games.

I fail to see how this makes the regular season irrelevant, since it's entirely possible that under the current BCS system, a 2-loss team might find itself in the national title game if WVU and Mizzou both lose this weekend. And a 16-team system that awards spots to the Conf. champions plus 5 at-large teams would put a premium on being seeded highly to ensure a 1st round matchup against the Sun Belt or WAC champion.

In other words, if a playoff would make the regular season irrelevant (despite the fact it would almost naturally exclude non-conf. champ teams with more than 2 losses), then isn't the current BCS system making the regular season similarly meaningless, since a two-loss team like Georgia could conceivably get into the national title game if Mizzou and WVU lose this weekend? It is, of course, a matter of degree; the current incarnation of the BCS makes the regular season very meaningful, yes. But I don't think that a playoff would markedly depreciate the value of the regular season so drastically that we shouldn't consider the benefits.

I think everyone agrees that the #5, or #8, or #16 team doesn't have a legitimate gripe or claim to the national title; but I don't think that's what playoff advocates are arguing.

I think the claim is that 8 or 16 team playoff would be orgasmic for a college football fan, and would make the 3 or 4 weekends that it was held on the greatest weekends of the year, rivaling or surpassing the NCAAB basketball tournament.

Bowl season has its charm, no doubt. But I think a CFB playoff, if done correctly, could become the premier sporting 'event' in the country. My interest in a playoff isn't to "crown the best team as the legitimate national champion" -- I'm not sure there's any system that can do that, given the natural sample size problems college football presents. But at least a playoff would provide 3 to 4 weeks of college football awesomeness everyone could appreciate.

The chances of this getting done are so small. There's so much guaranteed bowl money floating around, and everyone is getting a piece that even if all parties agreed a playoff would generate more TV and sponsorship revenue, diving it up in a way that doesn't scare everyone in the process would probably be impossible, given that the bowl system is still a huge guaranteed cash cow for a lot of the power players involved. The current 'system' may be broke for fans looking to anoint a 'real' national champion, or a 13-0 Auburn program that doesn't get to buy rings, but I suspect it's "working" for a lot of athletic departments who are swimming around in the bowl monies. Northwestern (sorry iron) doesn't have to pour too much money into it's athletic department to make the Motor City Bowl and then split the BCS monies with the rest of the conference; will a playoff divide up the money the same way? Is that conceivable? What about home gates and ticket monies? Surely, a 16 team type system that involved playing the playoff games at neutral sites would be logistically difficult; there would be a lot of pressure to play a round or two on campuses. How does gate revenue get divided? Does it get divided? Who owns the broadcast rights? I'm not saying these are impossible hurdles, but they're difficult ones.

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I meant to say I'd love for tOSU to play Hawaii.

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Tell the coach/AD to schedule them home/home in the future. Since they are paper tigers. Road game in Hawaii doesn't even count against the '12 game' limit. Hawaii was even giving a $750,000 guaranteed payout to visitors.

Guess Akron, Youngstown St, and Kent St are enough.

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$5 million as in "if we go to Hawaii we might lose and get knocked out of the NC game"?

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No. Each home game for Ohio State generates about $5M. Even going to the NC game doesn't generate $5M for Ohio State.

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So what is your point, exactly?
Hawaii at Ohio State, you get $5M
Ohio State at Hawaii, you get $750,000. You do not lose a home game. If you play at Hawaii, you get to play 13 games. Repeat, you do not lose a home game. You can schedule a home game vs Ohio School for the Quadraplegic and get your $5M.

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Good point. But $750k is probably close to the total expense of going anyway, so its (nearly) a wash. You were originally twisting my quote of wishing to play Hawaii in the National Championship game vs. wanting to play them in general. I hope they don't go to Hawaii. I have no respect for that dirty of a program with that dirty fans. I'm glad we are going to USC, Miami, Oklahoma, Syracuse, and whoever else is scheduled in the next few years.

Ohio State (or any true top 15 team), would be a near lock against Hawaii. Just look back to 2002 when Texas Tech had a similar "unstoppable" offense, when it took until the 4th quarter and we had our 3rd stringers in before they saw the end zone.

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The chances of this getting done are so small. There's so much guaranteed bowl money floating around, and everyone is getting a piece that even if all parties agreed a playoff would generate more TV and sponsorship revenue, diving it up in a way that doesn't scare everyone in the process would probably be impossible, given that the bowl system is still a huge guaranteed cash cow for a lot of the power players involved.

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That's precisely the point. A 16 team playoff has basically 0% chance of happening within the next 10 years. A 4-team playoff would be as simple as changing the format such that the Orange Bowl and the Sugar Bowl are the semi-finals and the NC game is the final (with the semi-finals rotating to Rose and Fiesta the next year).

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How many teams should be in the NCAA basketball tournament in your opinion?

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As for NCAA basketball tourney, it depends on what the goal is.

If the goal is to crown the true/best champion, I would limit it to the top 16 teams at the end of the year.

The problem is that there are 330+ division I-A basketball schools and tons of conferences and the big tournament gives them all at least entrant.

It also makes the tournament go longer and produce more revenue and excitement.

Variance = excitement, but doesn't necessarily produce the best champion of course.

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Also, i've seen two Ohio State games this year, against Illinois and Michigan, and Ohio State looked impressive in neither, at least offensively. i realize they blew out a bunch of other teams but who was good exactly? The worst part about all of this is even if some of these Rose Bowl matchups look like potential national championships USC will own because its basically home field for us, and last time I checked none of these teams have Vince Young on their team.

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I watched two USC games all year; Stanford and Washington. I have no idea how anybody could possibly put them in the top 25.

Any team can look bad if you cherry-pick the worst aspects of its worst games. It's interesting that you mention Ohio State's offensive struggles against Michigan yet fail to note that they allowed 91 yards of offense to the Wolverines.

Also, the Buckeyes have two big wins against top 30 teams; Penn State and Wisconsin. In addition, Ohio State didn't nearly squander its lead against Washington like a certain team from Los Angeles.

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6 team playoff so the #1 and #2 ranked BCS teams still have a deserved edge.

Presuming you use 5 "BCS bowls" for these 5 games, the problem arises cutting out 4 teams from these high $ games.