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i know it's early wynton, but u don't think we should at least hold onto him and see what he's capable of?? my fear is that they'll trade him to get some mediocre pen help or a vet starter and since there aren't really any appealing ones available, i think we're shorting ourselves if we dump him this quickly...imo

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i know it's early wynton, but u don't think we should at least hold onto him and see what he's capable of?? my fear is that they'll trade him to get some mediocre pen help or a vet starter and since there aren't really any appealing ones available, i think we're shorting ourselves if we dump him this quickly...imo

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That's my point. I'm saying that those who already have concluded that Gomez can't hit are totally overreacting. He's young and definitely has not had enough opportunity for anyone to write him off.

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If you ask me whether to trade Milledge or Gomez, it would be Milledge no contest. That guy is going to be a headache.

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Milledge can hit

we have martinez in the minors

gomez has a lot of trade value i think

so i would trade gomez in a package for a pitcher

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Milledge can hit

we have martinez in the minors

gomez has a lot of trade value i think

so i would trade gomez in a package for a pitcher

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Agreed. I'm thinking Johan Santana.

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heh, but on a serious note, i don't see the mets spending too much money this offseason as the options are not great...that being said, delgado, green come off the books next year as does glavine in case he does exercise his option (assuming the mets don't have a buyout, which i doubt though)...i think pedro does also (4 yr??)...

a lot of this money should be spent going after santana coz needless to say, that type of pitcher is not coming around often

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Suigin,

Green should come off the books this year. I highly doubt the Mets exercise his $10 million option for the 2008 season. We shouldn't see him in a Mets uniform again.

Delgado, Pedro, Glavine (if player option is exercised), El Duque, Alou (if team option is exercised) & Mota all have their contracts end after the 2008 season.

2008 Salaries for the above players:
Delgado - $16m
Pedro - $11m
Glavine - $9m (Mets can buy him out for $3m)
Duque - $6.5m
Alou - $7.5m (Mets can buy out for $1m)
Mota - $3.2m

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that's $47.2 salary total for 08 (assuming glavine gets bought out)...no way do the mets spend that much this summer, so when santana and i think peavy among others hit FA after next year, the mets should be aggressive players with enough space...

i hate giving up on this offseason, but i think signing linebrink and getting some stopgap relievers is really the best the mets can do here imo...and try to save up and get younger pitching for the future coz this rotation can easily fall apart and give even fewer innings...it's really vulnerable as is and then pedro and duque will be gone after next year, well at least duque will...

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that's $47.2 salary total for 08 (assuming glavine gets bought out)

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I just read on metsblog that Glavine is leaning towards declining on his 2008 player option. He also has to decide by this Friday, so we shall know soon enough.

Back to the Braves he goes.

Pedro - Perez - Maine - Duque? - Pelfrey? - Humber?

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meh, i can't see how glavine could return to the team after his last performance, but if he is smart, he may try force a buyout coz i don't think the mets want him back either...

i'd love to see humber at least get a shot, but i'm guessing minaya will sign an older vet like a livan hernandez, colon, or God forbid weaver to appease the fans, which i'm afraid may push humber back 1 year

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but i'm guessing minaya will sign an older vet like a livan hernandez, colon, or God forbid weaver to appease the fans

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Signing any of these guys would not appease any Mets fan I think.

Minaya can appease this fan by building a good bullpen and trading for a #1 or #2 type starter (younger than 30) to compliment Pedro, Maine, Perez, Duque/Pelfrey/Humber.

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it's going to be hard to trade for a 1 or 2 given the cruddy FA market and that figures to have some stiff competition to trade for a starter, let alone a front line one...it might not make the fans happy, but minaya might not be able to do much this offseason

do u guys think milledge's value went up or down after this year?? he was really touted last year, not sure how his image has changed to other teams though in terms of a trade...

i don't see enough chips to land a top notch starter, so i guess minaya will have to pry away decent/avg 3's away from other teams...dontrelle willis's stock must have dropped a ton, but who knows...

trading for a reliever can be costly in terms of talent, especially since schoenwuss will be back next year as the lefty specialist...

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that's $47.2 salary total for 08 (assuming glavine gets bought out)...no way do the mets spend that much this summer, so when santana and i think peavy among others hit FA after next year, the mets should be aggressive players with enough space...

i hate giving up on this offseason, but i think signing linebrink and getting some stopgap relievers is really the best the mets can do here imo...and try to save up and get younger pitching for the future coz this rotation can easily fall apart and give even fewer innings...it's really vulnerable as is and then pedro and duque will be gone after next year, well at least duque will...

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Collpase in 07
New Stadium in 09

Mets will spend money this year. Probably via trades

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What do you think would have happened this year if the Mets were the team that won the Dice-K bidding?

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with our luck, prolly the same thing that happened to kaz...

bah, on a serious note though, i dunno, that's a lot of money for someone who is unproven at the MLB level...i'd have a tough time taking on a contract and can see why the mets backed down...

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What do you think would have happened this year if the Mets were the team that won the Dice-K bidding?

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We'd be in the playoffs. We'd also probably be in the playoffs if Brian Bannister was our 5th starters and not:

Sosa, Pelfrey, Lawrence, Vargas, Williams, CHP & Humber.

Star Ledger Mets Blogger Ryan McConnell actually wrote about the Mets #5 starters this morning.



....Really though almost every team could say this about their #5 starters.

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btw, where the hell is ben johnson, the guy we traded bell for?? i forgot...we could have used bell damnit

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btw, where the hell is ben johnson, the guy we traded bell for?? i forgot

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He got injured in August down in New Orleans and hasn't played since.

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We'd be in the playoffs. We'd also probably be in the playoffs if Brian Bannister was our 5th starters and not:

Sosa, Pelfrey, Lawrence, Vargas, Williams, CHP & Humber.

Star Ledger Mets Blogger Ryan McConnell actually wrote about the Mets #5 starters this morning.



....Really though almost every team could say this about their #5 starters.

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Not buying it. Did this guy see our #5 starters last year? LIMA TIME!!!!! (And Soler, Dave Willimas, and I can't even remember who else)

And we won 97 games.

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If you ask me whether to trade Milledge or Gomez, it would be Milledge no contest. That guy is going to be a headache.

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Fair enough. I'm just higher on Milledge than Gomez from a pure production standpoint. It's easy for me to do that obviously since I don't have to deal with either of them on a day-to-day basis.

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Yea, I don't see Gomez ever developing into anything besides a defensive replacement, whereas Milledge is a potential 900 OPS guy.

jaems

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While Lima, Soler, Williams, Gonzalez, Zambrano all stunk. We did get a pretty big contribution from Maine, Bannister and a few good starts from Perez in 2006, didn't we? I guess the question is how many of those starts from Maine were as the #5 or the #4?

Having a solid option at the #5 spot in the rotation would have improved this team and maybe not burned out our pen. I mean Pelfrey, Lawrence, Vargas, Humber, CHP all averaged less than 5 IP per each of their starts. That's bad.

Edit: Actually Pelfrey averaged 5.1 per start.

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yay rockies

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Interesting article about the 5th [pitcher, I never understood why they got rid of Bannister. He pitched well at the beginning of last year before he got hurt. As far as our 5th starter, Sosa had a good run for awhile before the rest of the league caught to him.

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yea, not surprisingly, sosa balanced out from the great stretch he had with the braves at the beginning of his career...still, this guy is worth keeping around for long-relief and spot starts...

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is it just me or did reyes fall off the map when Castillo came on board??

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A lot of people have come forward and reported that Castillo had a negative influence on Jose Reyes.

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Still reeling from the collapse to contribute this post other than Willie Randolph needs to have complete control.

I did not listen to the Mike and Mad Dog interview today with Willie yet.

According to several sources, Willie had his hands tied when it came to discipling his own players.

When Willie first arrived he ran a tight ship, it seems things slipped away.

This team needs an overhall. I would welcome the team to trade Milledge or Beltran for a quality pitcher.

I never liked Tom Glavine and felt he came to the Mets to get his 300th win. I do not want him back because he did nothing for the Mets to help the Mets win.

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wow, interesting gossip that castillo was a negative influence on reyes, he's expendable adn i wouldn't mind seeing a prospect take his place (or at least teach gotay how to play defense)

it would take a miracle, i.e., santana, to get the mets to move beltran and even that is unfeasible as the twins wouldn't want that contract...also, heck, i'd like to see beltran stick around, he's arguably the most valuable player on the team

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wow, interesting gossip that castillo was a negative influence on reyes, he's expendable adn i wouldn't mind seeing a prospect take his place (or at least teach gotay how to play defense)

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Go to Mike and the Mad Dog

Listening to the interview now with Willie Randolph now.

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I heard the interview earlier today. I didn't like how he said he had little to no control over Reyes and Miledge and their "homerun dance" [censored]. He's like well if you don't let the players be themselves then the fans will be all over you too. [censored] that [censored]. They need to mature. He needs to run a tighter ship.

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I heard the interview earlier today. I didn't like how he said he had little to no control over Reyes and Miledge and their "homerun dance" [censored]. He's like well if you don't let the players be themselves then the fans will be all over you too. [censored] that [censored]. They need to mature. He needs to run a tighter ship.

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Who cares if they do a home run dance?

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I heard the interview earlier today. I didn't like how he said he had little to no control over Reyes and Miledge and their "homerun dance" [censored]. He's like well if you don't let the players be themselves then the fans will be all over you too. [censored] that [censored]. They need to mature. He needs to run a tighter ship.

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Who cares if they do a home run dance?

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Think big picture here, he wants to keep the team on an even keel. Ok to show emotion, but another to show up the opponent.

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I heard the interview earlier today. I didn't like how he said he had little to no control over Reyes and Miledge and their "homerun dance" [censored]. He's like well if you don't let the players be themselves then the fans will be all over you too. [censored] that [censored]. They need to mature. He needs to run a tighter ship.

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Who cares if they do a home run dance?

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Think big picture here, he wants to keep the team on an even keel. Ok to show emotion, but another to show up the opponent.

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Totally understand you want to keep players on an even keel. To me, squashing home run celebrations doesn't really do that. If the bullpen could get a [censored] guy out in September, nobody would care if Willie let Jose do HR dances.

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I heard the interview earlier today. I didn't like how he said he had little to no control over Reyes and Miledge and their "homerun dance" [censored]. He's like well if you don't let the players be themselves then the fans will be all over you too. [censored] that [censored]. They need to mature. He needs to run a tighter ship.

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Like Boston? I cannot think of any dancing, celebrating, or, even quirky personalities with the Red Sox. This must be why they win. Francona runs a tight ship!

craig

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trading beltran would be a disaster. you can't get similar value back from a pitcher, period, unless you got lincecum or someone with tons of cheap years ahead.

trading gomez would be great if people will overvalue him.

we must keep alou.

we are dead to rights at catcher next year.

our farm system blows.

there are very few impact free agents, almost none at pitcher.

we are who we are - but that's not a bad thing at all. we ran super [censored] this year at the end, but a few bullpen tweaks will have this team firing again.

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I heard the interview earlier today. I didn't like how he said he had little to no control over Reyes and Miledge and their "homerun dance" [censored]. He's like well if you don't let the players be themselves then the fans will be all over you too. [censored] that [censored]. They need to mature. He needs to run a tighter ship.

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Like Boston? I cannot think of any dancing, celebrating, or, even quirky personalities with the Red Sox. This must be why they win. Francona runs a tight ship!

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Is this a level? The 2004 Red Sox team was famous for their "quirkiness"

EDIT: Must be a level

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Friday Night

There are others of them celebrating and of better quality. But the BOS closer should probably learn how to let loose.

craig

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I wasn't trying to derail the thread. This is what I should have said in my other posts instead of sarcastic remarks.

Billy Beane, in his famous book, wrote 'Baseball isn't real good for changing people' or something like that. Signing players/trading/etc.. and wanting them to change their personality/technique can only lead to a miserable experience. I am not saying players cannot improve, but trying to get people to change something, that they don't think will help them improve, is a waste of time and possibly talent. And sometimes, changing something can actually make things worse. i.e. Sure guys with high OPS could strike out much less if they changed their swing, but you give up a lot in return. Maybe if Reyes didn't do those dances NYM would be in the playoffs.

craig

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are we this depressed that we're even considering the option of trading beltran????

yea, fixing the pen should get the team by for next year, but the starting pitching has to be addressed too as this could be a huge disaster in a couple of years when the vets go/die...

tbh, i'm not sure what to make of the home run dance stuff, plenty of players do it, and while that doesn't neccessarily make it right, it has nothing to do with the fact the mets should have won the division easily this year imo...

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Huh?