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I'm working on figuring out POTRIPPER's IP now [/ QUOTE ] I have some bad news. AP's HH gives out IPs and emails in the following manner. Table 1 Enter - <font color="orange">[email]</font>(<font color="green">[userid?]</font>) [<font color="red">[ip]</font>:<font color="blue">[port?]</font>] I put the variables in colors so I don't give out anyone's info. It does it whenever someone enters or leaves a table. Unfortunately, POTRIPPER was at Table 13 the entire tourney and GRAYCAT was at Table 14 the entire tourney. So I don't see their IP address or email info. |
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thanks to all the people who spent all this time working on these [/ QUOTE ] And thanx WACO for posting. |
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Wow, being able to see the hole cards is huge - no surprise. I counted about 20 plays that are rather hard to account for. (ok, he gives up on flops with an ace a lot, not counting, but now he bets into an ace when he happens to be ahead, count that; ok, he gave up when three high drawy cards came out, but now bets when opponent can't call; suddenly he doesn't like KQ; etc.). When you look through hand histories like these without the hole cards it's easy to say, ah, he gives up on the flop most all the time when it isn't heads up, but then when you see the cards, he is sometimes checking good hands, and sometimes betting when opponents miss and he is right too often. Also he slow plays a ton when heads up postflop, mostly when his opponent has 3 or fewer outs. A couple of times he reraises pre with trash and takes it down on the flop against a small pocket pair. I think the Qs 3s hand might be the sickest, even getting a river bet called..
The hand histories aren't perfect soul reading; for example, he open-raises with 84s against QQ, AK, and JJ, and folds when it gets back to him; he plays something like K4 against 55 and AK for a reraise and it's optimistic to think he can make up the difference by bluffing people out postflop. Really he makes too many moves. I think maybe his flop raises with air were only around break even for him, because he got caught making a big overbet once and had to fold to a reraise. He gave a free card at least once when he definitely shouldn't have. He made an all-in preflop call in one case with right around the correct pot odds, then folded later getting better odds and having similar equity. LOL, at one point, after he loses a pot, he is no longer the biggest stack at his table, even though the antes are in play. I'm gonna assume this guy plays perfect and it just shows the tremendous luck involved. Crikey, how difficult it must be to come in first if you struggle even with seeing hole cards and after getting a straight vs two pair twice early on and getting back-to-back sets later on. Makes me feel better for being down lifetime in multitable luckaments. |
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[ QUOTE ] I'm working on figuring out POTRIPPER's IP now [/ QUOTE ] I have some bad news. AP's HH gives out IPs and emails in the following manner. Table 1 Enter - <font color="orange">[email]</font>(<font color="green">[userid?]</font>) [<font color="red">[ip]</font>:<font color="blue">[port?]</font>] I put the variables in colors so I don't give out anyone's info. It does it whenever someone enters or leaves a table. Unfortunately, POTRIPPER was at Table 13 the entire tourney and GRAYCAT was at Table 14 the entire tourney. So I don't see their IP address or email info. [/ QUOTE ] Actually, GRAYCAT did bust 43 out of 98 in this event, so I might be able to track down his IP. Looking now. |
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how can AP possibly be any more incompetent? its like theyre trying their hardest to handle this as badly as possible. their stupidity is tilting me argggh.
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Nope. The last GRAYCAT hand was
14 896764146 2007-09-12 23:20:27 4090 4090 0 TABLE_USER Dealt to GRAYCAT [2h 6s] The whole file cuts off because of the excel line limit, so it only has from 9 PM (tourney start) until around 11:20 PM. It's too bad because he only has 4K chips and looks like he's about to bust. |
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Actually, I'm going to have to review this more sometime when I'm a little more awake because I am reviewing "table 13"-only info right now (ie, the table POTRIPPER was at) and there are tons of instances where the email/IP is shown but no one is actually coming to or leaving the table. So there is still a possibility that POTRIPPER or GRAYCAT info is in here. I'm not sure exactly what this info means, so I guess I'll have to try to figure that out tomorrow.
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<3 nat
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[ QUOTE ] Where did you get this from?? [/ QUOTE ] From P5s... [ QUOTE ] ok so after Marco loses HU in the 1k to potripper (when potripper called his huge all in raise on the turn with T high, Marco had a 9 high flush draw) and reads a few posts suggesting foul play in the coming days, he requests the HH from Absolute... they sent him the HH for the tourny in a scrambled excel file, which he didn't really know how to organize and just kind of put off for awhile... well we are just now looking at the HH again, and it's pretty [censored] up cuz Absolute gave Marco access to EVERYONE's hole cards for the entire tourny, not just his or his tables but the entire field... well it only takes a few hands to realize potripper could see the cards, but not what is coming on the flop/turn/riv... I was already 99% sure from seeing Marco's hands and some HH's other ppl had posted, but this is just unreal how he plays each hand... there is no way someone could bluff like he does and value bet like he does without being able to know what their opponents hold, it really is undeniable... working on getting the scrambled excel file into a PXF replayer now, the guys working on it told me it's like a puzzle and shouldn't be too long before they have potripper's tables/hands up... gonna be a [censored] on here when you guys see this... [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] So what your saying is... Waco = PotRipper? |
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i'm pretty drunk, but this looks real
wow, that's messed up |
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So what your saying is... Waco = PotRipper? [/ QUOTE ] No. Waco = Marco. |
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Are there the HHs where he foldet his Hand PRF?
If so,can anybody point them out? There are too many HHs. |
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he folds pf when his opponents have like KK or AK or QQ, etc
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[ QUOTE ] So what your saying is... Waco = PotRipper? [/ QUOTE ] No. Waco = Marco. [/ QUOTE ] Waco is actually Marco's dad |
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he folds pf when his opponents have like KK or AK or QQ, etc [/ QUOTE ] Yeah I know, but I want to know what he had when hes folding his hands. Its IMO a big difference when hes folding some trash hands like 3 2o or some better Hands. |
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Actually, I'm going to have to review this more sometime when I'm a little more awake because I am reviewing "table 13"-only info right now (ie, the table POTRIPPER was at) and there are tons of instances where the email/IP is shown but no one is actually coming to or leaving the table. So there is still a possibility that POTRIPPER or GRAYCAT info is in here. I'm not sure exactly what this info means, so I guess I'll have to try to figure that out tomorrow. Night all. [/ QUOTE ] You might wanna use a peice of searching software with regular expressions: http://www.regular-expressions.info/tutorial.html |
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I'm well aware of regex. I actually probably use preg_match (http://us3.php.net/preg-match) more than any other php function.
It really isn't a matter of finding any given text, it's more about finding the logic behind the listing of the IP/email info. |
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maybe to be able to sort/filter it when someone wants their hand histories sent to them??
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What? I'm confused about what you're saying...
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oh, nevermind.. thought you meant why would they have ip/email info in there at all.. rather than you were trying to figure out how to parse it and figure it out.
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siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiik
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wow.
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Nope. The last GRAYCAT hand was 14 896764146 2007-09-12 23:20:27 4090 4090 0 TABLE_USER Dealt to GRAYCAT [2h 6s] The whole file cuts off because of the excel line limit, so it only has from 9 PM (tourney start) until around 11:20 PM. It's too bad because he only has 4K chips and looks like he's about to bust. [/ QUOTE ] I'm confused: you say that you only have tourney data up to 11:20pm, but in the P5s thread with ALL of the HHs, it shows ALL of Potripper's hhs, right through 1:50am when he won the tourney with that ridic T high call. |
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WTF this last post was gold
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this is incredible
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nat, try finding what marco's IP was at the time, then finding it in the file, then finding how its related
something like that? |
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This is amazing and I am glad that some one competent like Nat is looking into this. That said, we need more exposure than just BBV. I don't know whether it's good or bad. Post it in multiple forums, including legislation. Boycotting playing at Absolute would pretty much get them to respond, I believe. How stupid can they be? They made multiple mistakes by just giving out this master HH.
1. Every one's hole cards? LOL 2. IP addresses and e-mail addresses. This is ridiculous 3. Whole bunch of other info. |
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lol those hands are pretty sick.
I hope people who were in doubt based on the previous info take a long look at this because it really can leave no doubt. also- CANNONBALL. Nice job Waco and whomever else was working on it. |
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holy [censored].
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[ QUOTE ] Nope. The last GRAYCAT hand was 14 896764146 2007-09-12 23:20:27 4090 4090 0 TABLE_USER Dealt to GRAYCAT [2h 6s] The whole file cuts off because of the excel line limit, so it only has from 9 PM (tourney start) until around 11:20 PM. It's too bad because he only has 4K chips and looks like he's about to bust. [/ QUOTE ] I'm confused: you say that you only have tourney data up to 11:20pm, but in the P5s thread with ALL of the HHs, it shows ALL of Potripper's hhs, right through 1:50am when he won the tourney with that ridic T high call. [/ QUOTE ] I don't think we have HHs with all of the holecards past around 11:20 PM. The stuff you're seeing is the regular HH that Marco had and it has POTRIPPER b/c they happened to be at the FT together. This is the last line (#65536) in the Excel file: 9 896763832 2007-09-12 23:20:55 0 0 0 TABLE_INFO Seat 9: TCBLADE Folded on the POCKET CARDS |
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nat, try finding what marco's IP was at the time, then finding it in the file, then finding how its related something like that? [/ QUOTE ] Yea, that's what I've been doing. Also, I'm looking for email addresses that I have records of, looking for their AP name and seeing how the IP info connects. Because otherwise it seems like it's kinda random in there and there's no way to connect it to user names. |
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hmm, according to a recent email absolute is offering a reload bonus....tempting
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im pretty pissed at myself for not approaching mark seif at the borgata tourney and bringing this up to him, as i knew at the time 100% there was foul play involved
would have liked to give him the larry david staredown and gauge his reaction |
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[ QUOTE ] nat, try finding what marco's IP was at the time, then finding it in the file, then finding how its related something like that? [/ QUOTE ] Yea, that's what I've been doing. Also, I'm looking for email addresses that I have records of, looking for their AP name and seeing how the IP info connects. Because otherwise it seems like it's kinda random in there and there's no way to connect it to user names. [/ QUOTE ] No Marco info in there, but I do have Mark Seif's email and IP. There are 845 instances of an email/IP being shown in the 65K line file. Of those, there are not that many distinct values. Of course, there were only 100 people in the event. I am working on getting it whittled down to unique info now. |
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Okay, investigating this IP stuff more. I don't think it has to do with table changes necessarily. It *might* be related to opening/closing a table, but I'm not really convinced of that.
Here are 10 lines of Seif-related material, with the middle two being his "table enter" and "table leave" information. Note that he never left Table 9, but it appears that he took a look (?) at Table 3 for about 5 seconds. Not sure what to make of this. I took out his email and IP info, but I assure you it's him. The email address makes it extremely obvious that it's him. 9 -- 896748532 -- 2007-09-12 23:07:23 -- 0 -- 0 -- 0 -- TABLE_INFO -- Seat 7: MARK SEIF Folded on the POCKET CARDS 9 -- 896749443 -- 2007-09-12 23:15:23 -- 13705 -- 13705 -- 0 -- START -- Seat 7 - MARK SEIF ($13705 in chips) 9 -- 896749443 -- 2007-09-12 23:15:23 -- 13705 -- 13645 -- -60 -- G-BET -- MARK SEIF - Ante $60 9 -- 896749443 -- 2007-09-12 23:15:27 -- 13645 -- 13645 -- 0 -- TABLE_USER -- Dealt to MARK SEIF [3c Kd] 3 -- 896758688 -- 2007-09-12 23:16:21 -- 0 -- 0 -- 0 -- TABLE_ENTER -- Table 3 Enter - [email snipped](186134) [[ip snipped]] 3 -- 896758688 -- 2007-09-12 23:16:26 -- 0 -- 0 -- 0 -- TABLE_LEAVE -- Table 3 Leave - [email snipped](186134) [[ip snipped]] 9 -- 896749443 -- 2007-09-12 23:16:32 -- 13645 -- 13645 -- 0 -- TABLE_INFO -- MARK SEIF - Folds (Timeout) 9 -- 896749443 -- 2007-09-12 23:17:04 -- 0 -- 0 -- 0 -- TABLE_INFO -- Seat 7: MARK SEIF Folded on the POCKET CARDS 9 -- 896759834 -- 2007-09-12 23:17:11 -- 13645 -- 13645 -- 0 -- START -- Seat 7 - MARK SEIF ($13645 in chips) 9 -- 896759834 -- 2007-09-12 23:17:11 -- 13645 -- 13585 -- -60 -- G-BET -- MARK SEIF - Ante $60 |
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This thread is hurting my head
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Monumental mistake by Absolute lol. How they stand to stay in business or why people still play there is beyond me.
Thanks to wacokidd for posting and Nat for putting in the time to do some good work on this. |
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yeah nice way to treat your customers absolute
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It makes me want to throw up seeing a cheater like this win the tourney. =( Good work guys with the analysis.
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