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I am guessing it will not be available on Fox/ESPN/CBS. My family lives in Wisconsin and they are already complaining about not being able to see the Dallas vs Green Bay game.

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Really? From ESPN:
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Fans in each local market will be able to see the game. NFL rules require that games televised on cable must be made available to an over-the-air provider in the home market cities.

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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3123865

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That article must not be true. Where is it getting this information? My family still insists it isn't available to them. Many are contacting the cable company to complain. The cable company says there is nothing that can be done.

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iirc jurollo lives in boston. this game would be showed OTA in boston. why would he be the one complaining here?

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I am guessing it will not be available on Fox/ESPN/CBS. My family lives in Wisconsin and they are already complaining about not being able to see the Dallas vs Green Bay game.

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Really? From ESPN:
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Fans in each local market will be able to see the game. NFL rules require that games televised on cable must be made available to an over-the-air provider in the home market cities.

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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3123865

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That article must not be true. Where is it getting this information? My family still insists it isn't available to them. Many are contacting the cable company to complain. The cable company says there is nothing that can be done.

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I just called my brother to get further clarification. Apparently the key word is "local". Most of the regular Green Bay Packer market will not be able to see the game. Only those that live in the cities of Milwaukee or Green Bay will have it on local stations. The rest of the state is out. So, that article makes it sound better than it really is.

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Didn't read all the responses but had to say that the NFL Network is awesome... during the season anyway. Love watching unedited press conferences on Sundays and usually watch their highlight shows which are much better imo than the hype machine that espn has become.

It is easily worth the money only for NFL Replay... which is a 90 minute enhanced broadcast w/ press conference and extra angles of the best five games of the week.

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Only those that live in the cities of Milwaukee or Green Bay will have it on local stations.

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Madison is such extreme Packer country that it would be a ridiculous crime not to show the game there.
They don't get the same TV stations as GB or MIL.
As was mentioned in a different thread, they are really more like the Wisconsin Packers obviously. Everyone in the state is crazy for that team.

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NFL Network pwns imo. I always watch Playbook and Replay - great shows. Pretty much impossible for a show including Deion Sanders to suck tbh.

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iirc jurollo lives in boston. this game would be showed OTA in boston. why would he be the one complaining here?

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i didnt even know that this was the case, hence my bitching. wooooooo

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The Broncos Thanksgiving (NFL Network) game last year was shown locally in basically all of Colorado, not just Denver.

I can't speak for the southern areas and the far west by Utah.. but the entire Denver Metro, and Fort Collins/Greeley showed the Broncos game.

That being said.. NFL Network still owns and any big NFL fan should have it.

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Jerry Jones getting angry fans aren't able to watch their teams with the NFL network, give me a [censored] break. The NFL signed an exclusive contract with Directv which shutout millions of cable subscribers. He is lying through his teeth.

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highlight shows which are much better imo than the hype machine that espn has become.

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You are not kidding...Sportscenter sucks now

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The Broncos Thanksgiving (NFL Network) game last year was shown locally in basically all of Colorado, not just Denver.

I can't speak for the southern areas and the far west by Utah.. but the entire Denver Metro, and Fort Collins/Greeley showed the Broncos game.

That being said.. NFL Network still owns and any big NFL fan should have it.

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I believe things are different this year. I saw somewhere that its like a 50 mile radius from the metro areas the teams play will get the game if they don't have NFL network. Last year anyone who had that local station got the game.

I could be wrong but thats what I heard on the radio.

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But it was already mentioned that Milwaukee is getting the game locally and they are more than 50 miles from GB.

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The Broncos Thanksgiving (NFL Network) game last year was shown locally in basically all of Colorado, not just Denver.

I can't speak for the southern areas and the far west by Utah.. but the entire Denver Metro, and Fort Collins/Greeley showed the Broncos game.

That being said.. NFL Network still owns and any big NFL fan should have it.

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I believe things are different this year. I saw somewhere that its like a 50 mile radius from the metro areas the teams play will get the game if they don't have NFL network. Last year anyone who had that local station got the game.

I could be wrong but thats what I heard on the radio.

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Its still anyone who gets the local station. Bloomington (60 miles from Indy) got the Thanksgiving game.
The easy way to figure it out is this: If you have ever had a game blacked out, then you are in an area that will get the local market NFLN games over air.

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But it was already mentioned that Milwaukee is getting the game locally and they are more than 50 miles from GB.

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K then I either misheard/got bad info. Thats good news for me though, it means I'd be able to get the NYG/Pats game.

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So it is incredibly lame that the Patriots could be taking there shot at being undefeated on the NFL network which no one has.

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I HAZ IT SON SHIP SHIP SHIP SHIP SHIP DIRECTV FTW

Seriously, a petition isn't going to go anywhere.

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I got 99 problems but that game aint one.

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So it is incredibly lame that the Patriots could be taking there shot at being undefeated on the NFL network which no one has. Does anyone think the game will be made national if they are 15-0 going into it? Would some kind of huge public outcry have any effect on the NFL pulling this stunt? Any idea if it is going to be in the New England market outside of the NFL network?

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U gotta be kidding

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But it was already mentioned that Milwaukee is getting the game locally and they are more than 50 miles from GB.

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The Packers used to play home games in both Green Bay and Milwaukee. I'm not sure if this is still true but that is probably the reason Milwaukee is included.

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Move to Vegas. We will get it on basic cable.

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Okay, I have a related question. If I am in the market of an NFL Network game, such as the upcoming Dal/GB game, that is shown on a local channel, does the NFL Network broadcast get blacked out? Because I'm gonna be pissed if I have to watch the game in standard def (the local channel in question doesn't broadcast in HD).

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watch the game at a bar or on the internet.
Not ideal of course, but it's better than nothing.

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how am i supposed to watch the game on the internet in the us unless i want to resort to some awful sopcast/tvu feed?

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how do you guys not get this game? isn't it on a saturday night so one station should have it?

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That local market crap is BS as well. I live in Youngstown, OH where 85% of football fans are either Browns or Steelers fans. If you draw a diaginal line from Cleveland to Pittsburgh, Youngstown is smack dab in the middle.

Now get this...if the Browns are not sold out...the game is locally blacked out. However, last years NFLN Browns/Steelers game was not on local TV in Youngstown.

Seems we are local enough to black out, but not local enough to be considered "local market". Total BS.

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how do you guys not get this game? isn't it on a saturday night so one station should have it?

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Haven't been paying attention to this thread, have you?

Both Pats/Giants and GB/DAL will air in the local markets. But outside the local markets, they will be unavailable except on the NFL Network, which many cable companies do not carry.

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The $8 is fine, whatever, big deal. Its the principle of having to buy the NFL's network to see a local game

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How about if youre me, and you pay the 8 dollars a month for the sports entertainment package and the only channel excluded from that package in my area is nfl network. boooo.

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The $8 is fine, whatever, big deal. Its the principle of having to buy the NFL's network to see a local game

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How about if youre me, and you pay the 8 dollars a month for the sports entertainment package and the only channel excluded from that package in my area is nfl network. boooo.

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Wow.

SE for me is like $5, and we get NFL Network.

From how this was explained to me on radio the other day, the NFL is just retarded in what they're asking cable providers to pay to carry their network. Their perception is that this is a premium network, when it's really something that we'll only want to watch some 5 times a year.

The most effective way to end this is simply don't do anything and let the NFL Network die (or lower their asking price) like it should.

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The best was I called comcast and the operator was like "oh wow, nfl network isnt available at all in your area, thats funny."

YEA ITS REAL FUNNY DIAGF DICKWAD

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guys just go to a bar

the money you spend on a pitcher of beer is what you'll pay for NFL Network anyways

ok maybe you'll spend a little more... but still.

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The $8 is fine, whatever, big deal. Its the principle of having to buy the NFL's network to see a local game

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How about if youre me, and you pay the 8 dollars a month for the sports entertainment package and the only channel excluded from that package in my area is nfl network. boooo.

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Wow.

SE for me is like $5, and we get NFL Network.

From how this was explained to me on radio the other day, the NFL is just retarded in what they're asking cable providers to pay to carry their network. Their perception is that this is a premium network, when it's really something that we'll only want to watch some 5 times a year.

The most effective way to end this is simply don't do anything and let the NFL Network die (or lower their asking price) like it should.

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The NFL network doesn't want this channel to be something you only want to see 5 times a year. It wants to be your total provider for NFL coverage, year-round. From what I've heard, their wrap-up show is terrific, and their showing of classic games also very desirable.

I can guarantee if I had NFL network, I'd watch it more often than I would watch all but perhaps 10 channels.

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The $8 is fine, whatever, big deal. Its the principle of having to buy the NFL's network to see a local game

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How about if youre me, and you pay the 8 dollars a month for the sports entertainment package and the only channel excluded from that package in my area is nfl network. boooo.

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Wow.

SE for me is like $5, and we get NFL Network.

From how this was explained to me on radio the other day, the NFL is just retarded in what they're asking cable providers to pay to carry their network. Their perception is that this is a premium network, when it's really something that we'll only want to watch some 5 times a year.

The most effective way to end this is simply don't do anything and let the NFL Network die (or lower their asking price) like it should.

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The NFL network doesn't want this channel to be something you only want to see 5 times a year. It wants to be your total provider for NFL coverage, year-round. From what I've heard, their wrap-up show is terrific, and their showing of classic games also very desirable.

I can guarantee if I had NFL network, I'd watch it more often than I would watch all but perhaps 10 channels.

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I would be shocked if any NFL fan that has the network would say they'd only watch it five times a year. It's great.

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Triumph,

The shows ARE pretty good, but imo they just don't draw enough relative to what the NFL Network perceives. That's the whole issue here, that the NFL network wants to charged based on their perception of what they want to be, rather than the reality of what they actually are.

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That's the whole issue here, that the NFL network wants to charged based on their perception of what they want to be, rather than the reality of what they actually are.

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You just summed up the concept of bargaining in one sentence.

The NFL Network has NFL games. People LOVE the NFL. As it stands, the NFL undoubtedly has the upperhand here - and while people don't like paying more for cable, people already think the cable company charges too much for its service.

The NFL's going to win this battle because it always does - it wins every battle.

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http://www.jsonline.com/multimedia/g...112907_big.gif

The above is the map of the Wisconsin area getting the game.

From WIKI...An exception to the 75-mile rule is the market area for the Green Bay Packers, which stretches out to both the Green Bay and Milwaukee television markets (the team's radio flagship station is in Milwaukee, and two Packer home games a year were played at Milwaukee County Stadium until 1994). However, blackout rules rarely come into effect for the Packers, due to a four-decade long streak of sellouts and a decades-long season ticket waiting list.


Edit: I believe Milw gets the best of both worlds. I believe they get to be GB local for NFLN purposes, but for gamedays they are not subject to the "Can't show a 2nd game at the same time as a home game" rule that other home markets are a part of.

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As I mentioned in the other thread:

I actually get NFL Network on my package. Awesome!! Get to watch the games!!
WRONG!!
Today there was some thing scrolling across the screen that said my cable-company did not carry the games-package to show the Thurs and Sat night prime-time games so unless I was in the local market I would not get to see the game. Contact my cable company. My phone-calls can make a difference.

WHAT?!?!
I actually get the NFL Network and could watch the pre-game show tonight as well as any of their other programming including the replays of the past Sunday's games that they show...but when the live games come on they black it out because of the deal with y specific cable operator?
WTF? They get the channel but still not the games?!?!

Pretty irritating.

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This is pretty much the same thing as getting the different Fox Sports Net channels that carry all of their local teams games but you won't get to see them unless you live in that area (because those games are owned by the NCAA Gameplan or FULLCOURT or EXTRA INNINGS, etc)

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I would be shocked if any NFL fan that has the network would say they'd only watch it five times a year. It's great.

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During the season I go through withdrawal when I go home for breaks. Though during the offseason for football I only watched the "draft" stuff which included the senior bowl, combine, and their draft coverage(which was not much better than ESPN).

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This is pretty much the same thing as getting the different Fox Sports Net channels that carry all of their local teams games but you won't get to see them unless you live in that area (because those games are owned by the NCAA Gameplan or FULLCOURT or EXTRA INNINGS, etc)

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Not the same at all. You don't get those games because you didn't pay for them.

The guy you responded to didn't get the NFL game because his cable provider didn't pay for them.

E.g., I get Fox Sports AZ all the time . . . except when the Suns play. I need to pay $150+ to get League Pass to get those games. Since I don't want to pay for that, I don't get the games. Fair enough.

The guy you responded to pays for NFL Network. He gets it all but 3 hours every week, because the cable company is refusing to pay extra to the NFL (or, if you want to look at it the other way, because the NFL is extorting money from the cable companies).

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cost me $3.50 a month to get it added, which is reasonable

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I guess I dont get why I am paying for a package that has NFL network listed but when I call comcast they tell me nfl network isnt available in my area...dude...its on your list of channels that i am paying for...

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So what you are saying is that you get Fox Sports AZ for all but 3 hours a week and some other guy gets NFLN for all but 3 hours a week? And it's not the same??

Way back in the stone age, Fox Sports AZ WOULD show the games regardless of where you were located.

The issue came up when the fees were negotiated again. The leagues want to charge the companies per viewer (that's an easy argument but it's a lot more complicated than that). If you add it basic then it's a prohibitive cost to the company and to each viewer. That is when the Sports Specific all access channels came to be (Sport said "you pay us an overall fee [which is less than it would be if you added it to basic/sports pkg programming] and we take a cut of each viewer").

At this point, Cable (or in your case your satellite provider) views the price of the NFLN (or in your case Fox Sports AZ) as a fair cost. When it comes to the added cost to broadcasting the games on that channel Comcast (or again your provider) thinks the cost is too much and elected not to pay for the right to broadcast it. Your provider in this instance decides to pay to subscribe to the NBA Plan and you can pay for it if you choose.

In your situation you are acclimated to it and the outrage is gone (or it might be all you ever knew). The only difference is that he has no other recourse through his cable company (unless he wants a dish). Cable thinks it is too much, and NFL won't budge on the price.

Personally, Cable might have it right this time. Now Big Ten has their network, Mountain west has their own, SEC is coming up with their own I believe. It is going to get expensive for providers in a hurry if they don't take a stand.

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That's the whole issue here, that the NFL network wants to charged based on their perception of what they want to be, rather than the reality of what they actually are.

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You just summed up the concept of bargaining in one sentence.

The NFL Network has NFL games. People LOVE the NFL. As it stands, the NFL undoubtedly has the upperhand here - and while people don't like paying more for cable, people already think the cable company charges too much for its service.

The NFL's going to win this battle because it always does - it wins every battle.

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This is correct. Anyone who thinks a petition or mass refusal to buy the NFLN will ever work is extremely wrong. First, when the NFL planned this decision, they knew there would be backlashes like this and accounted for it. Second, they already have a huge sunk cost in advertising, creating new shows, HD equipment, etc etc. Now is way past the point they would have turned around at. Especially since the programming they created is actually good. NFLN games will eventually take the place things like MNF and thanksgiving games, and in 5 years this discussion will seem quaint. And the NFL will have a gigantic asset which it didn't before. Now the fact that not all cable companies carry NFLN is a legitimate problem which hurts consumers, but really whatever dispute exists there I would bet the NFL eventually will win. At the end of the day they have the best product on the market and their efforts to be compensated for it will be rewarded since they are well run.

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The above is the map of the Wisconsin area getting the game.


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I was just going to post this link. This is all a big pissing match between NFL & cable operators. These battles are waged everyday in corporate America and often it's the people who feel the backlash.

That said, I have no sympathy for anyone crying about not getting the game. Why?

1. You've known this was a potential big game for at least 4 weeks now.
2. You've known if the NFL Network is carried by your cable outlet since start of NFL Season (over 3 months ago).
3. Local bars will carry the game
4. Friends/family might have the dish and carry the game
5. Possibly radio will carry the game (not the same)

Cliff notes: This isn't new news and you've had plenty of time to make arrangements. If you haven't, it's your fault.