Re: 4/180 Pocket 9s - call preflop raise?
 

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so basically what some of you guys are saying is call and fold if no 9 flops. is this really correct early on?

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it is in this hand

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I don't really have alot of chips...


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you will when you flop a set

Re: 4/180 Pocket 9s - call preflop raise?
 

Dumb newb opinion, please correct if wrong:

Is the reward worth the risk here? What worries me about this is:

1. Its very early on.
2. This will cost me about 10% of my stack.
3. There are two unknowns behind me so I can't be sure of my pot odds (and I can't be sure that I don't get reraised by one of the two). I understand the implied odds are there, but is now the time to make this play?

There is no rush right now, can I afford to just wait for a better spot?

Edit: OK, you just answered this. Nevermind.

Re: 4/180 Pocket 9s - call preflop raise?
 

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umm...the implied odds part means that if you wind up extracting that extra 360 chips or whatever is required for it to be breakeven, then its a call. anything more makes it +EV.

you're confusing pot odds and implied odds. when you have a low pocket pair, you're not playing because you have pot-odds pf, its because of the implied odds

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oops, your right...I am at work and only giving 2+2 half my attention. But if you do call here, and no 9s on the flop, fold would be the correct action.

Re: 4/180 Pocket 9s - call preflop raise?
 

No one asks "Why did you just call the BB to start with?"
or "Why didn't you just fold 99 UTG, if you aren't going to be aggressive with them.?"

UTG, make it a 3x raise to 60. Chances are at this point, you have a better idea of where you stand.

Re: 4/180 Pocket 9s - call preflop raise?
 

This is close because of the sandwich effect, but the implied odds are huge.

Re: 4/180 Pocket 9s - call preflop raise?
 

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This is close because of the sandwich effect, but the implied odds are huge.

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So everyone is somewhat worried about the two guys still to act, but the chance to make a big score if a 9 flops outweighs this risk. Correct?

Re: 4/180 Pocket 9s - call preflop raise?
 

Upon further reflection, I think I agree with DMK in concept here, although I'm still working on putting it in my game. You ARE in fact going to have no problem getting paid off beyond the implied odds needed the one time in 8 you hit your set.

If you hit your set, you bet something on the flop that allows you to either be called for value on a 953 rainbow-type rag flop, or you push and get called on a AQ9 flop two suited (but may still lose 20% of the time).

If your style allows you to be comfortable starting 7 tournaments with 1350 instead of 1500 and on the eighth either doubling or tripling up or occasionally busting out, then a call is appropriate. If you prefer to have the opportunity to isolate and extract, wait for a better spot.

Re: 4/180 Pocket 9s - call preflop raise?
 

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This is close because of the sandwich effect, but the implied odds are huge.

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So everyone is somewhat worried about the two guys still to act, but the chance to make a big score if a 9 flops outweighs this risk. Correct?

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Yes. 1 in about 8 times you will probably double up.

Re: 4/180 Pocket 9s - call preflop raise?
 

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This is close because of the sandwich effect, but the implied odds are huge.

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So everyone is somewhat worried about the two guys still to act, but the chance to make a big score if a 9 flops outweighs this risk. Correct?

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i'm not worried about the 2 left to act at all. there's less than 1% chance they reraise here

Re: 4/180 Pocket 9s - call preflop raise?
 

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This is close because of the sandwich effect, but the implied odds are huge.

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So everyone is somewhat worried about the two guys still to act, but the chance to make a big score if a 9 flops outweighs this risk. Correct?

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i'm not worried about the 2 left to act at all. there's less than 1% chance they reraise here

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