Re: I\'m lost and this is basic...
 

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To those saying call and lead a blank turn....a) check stack sizes.

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Ooops; in that case, "call and PUSH a blank turn."
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b) Why the non-diamond turn? If you think he has a flush draw...raise!!


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I don't necessarily think he has a flush draw; rather, I think he has "something." That something could be a set, two pair, one pair, or a flush draw. If the flush draw misses, I'm ahead much more often against his range than if the flush draw hits, especially since I don't have any diamonds. So, pushing against a non-flush seems more +EV than pushing against a flush. At a high-stakes table, I'd have to consider bluffing the diamond, but here our folding equity's in the crapper, so I'm looking ahead to showdown.

Re: I\'m lost and this is basic...
 

Pokey,

this might be me being silly, But I still don't get this push non-diamond turn lark.

Now if we push flop and he folds a flush draw, he's also folding the flush draw on the turn, so all we've done is let him draw for free.

However, he might be one of those chaser types. But those would most likely call a flush draw with 2 cards to come, but not with 1....and we WANT him to call with only a flush draw. So in both sinarios...it's more +EV to push on the flop!!

Oh yeah, also if wa call and a diamond hits, we might scare him off a KQ/QJ type hand

Re: I\'m lost and this is basic...
 

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Now if we push flop and he folds a flush draw, he's also folding the flush draw on the turn, so all we've done is let him draw for free.

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Damn it, dbitel, the more you talk, the more sense you make. [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

Here WAS my thought process: three-betting has no folding equity, but stop-and-go usually DOES have folding equity.

You, however, were annoying enough to point out the truth: against villain's range, we're probably doing pretty solidly, so we don't WANT folding equity. And if villain is ahead of TPTK, we're not folding him out whether we three-bet OR stop-and-go. Our best choice is to three-bet all-in and roll them dice.

I admit it: you're right. Thanks -- you just fixed my thinking on this issue.

*Note to self: don't go for the "max folding equity" situation when the only hands that you could fold are ones that you beat.*