Re: KK against thinking opponent
 

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per street agg factors are 3.71/1.25/1.11

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meh, for some reason I thought he was aggro. Seems like he will check a lot of stuff behind.

If you bet will he fold QQ? If he calls with QQ, you have to bet. c-f otherwise.

Re: KK against thinking opponent
 

value bet or c/c, i'm not folding

Re: KK against thinking opponent
 

Based on the aggression factors over 600 hands, I might agree with c/f > b/f > c/c >>>>> b/c

Re: KK against thinking opponent
 

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If you bet will he fold QQ?

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totally an irrelevant point, he has QQ exactly never

Re: KK against thinking opponent
 

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I feel a bit uneasy about your read being based on a chat you had after the hand.

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i understand that that comment makes little sense because it seems like i dont have as much of a read during the hand. i felt he was solid and then after the chat it basically solidified the read, i still have the table open.



me: nh
him: too bad the river was the
aces of spades
me: u had JJ huh
him: you look like a donk who
3barrels without looking at his cards
me: wtf?

me: im 19/15 here bro
him: yeah but a little overagrro
me: im gettin hands man
me: 100% win at
showdown here
him: [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
him: your rig
him: ht

him: i dont have many hands of
you
him: so your aggro might not be
converted yet


him: nica allin
fish: ty
him: get it in with 30%
him: is a great play
fish: [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
him: you are either drawing
dead or have less then 50% equity
him: seems like everyone is
braindead here
him: but i guess 18 outs is not
enuogh




hence i know hes not a moron, and i felt this way before the hand, seeing this type of chat just made me know for sure hes not retarded

Re: KK against thinking opponent
 

I see nothing wrong with CF. What worse hand is going to bet the river?

it's between cf and bf depending on how lightly villain may call down. I don't think there's a ton of value to be had, so I'm pretty ok with cf

Re: KK against thinking opponent
 

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If you bet will he fold QQ?

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totally an irrelevant point, he has QQ exactly never

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Way to see only the trees and miss the forest.

Re: KK against thinking opponent
 

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If you bet will he fold QQ?

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totally an irrelevant point, he has QQ exactly never

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Way to see only the trees and miss the forest.

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he is right though, there basically is no way hes here with a hand like QQ. i understand your point and given river i dont think he calls me with anything i beat, right?

Re: KK against thinking opponent
 

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I feel a bit uneasy about your read being based on a chat you had after the hand.

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i understand that that comment makes little sense because it seems like i dont have as much of a read during the hand. i felt he was solid and then after the chat it basically solidified the read, i still have the table open.



me: nh
him: too bad the river was the
aces of spades
me: u had JJ huh
him: you look like a donk who
3barrels without looking at his cards
me: wtf?

me: im 19/15 here bro
him: yeah but a little overagrro
me: im gettin hands man
me: 100% win at
showdown here
him: [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
him: your rig
him: ht

him: i dont have many hands of
you
him: so your aggro might not be
converted yet


him: nica allin
fish: ty
him: get it in with 30%
him: is a great play
fish: [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
him: you are either drawing
dead or have less then 50% equity
him: seems like everyone is
braindead here
him: but i guess 18 outs is not
enuogh




hence i know hes not a moron, and i felt this way before the hand, seeing this type of chat just made me know for sure hes not retarded

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seems like a moron to me. I like c/f best but if I weren't going to do that I'd b/f like 50.

Also, I bet bigger on the turn.

Re: KK against thinking opponent
 

The river is a [censored] card but at the same time, its a great 3rd barrel card. I think you can b/f here pretty comfortably. Jx is about all that is calling but I think the rest of your options are pretty bad.