Re: so i fold an overpair in a reraised pot (nl200)
 

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Making effective stacks shorter for postflop play is not a good thing when KK+ is a big part of his callrange.

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Also if you think "KK+ is a big part of his callrange" then you might as well play full ring. I did. It sucked [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Re: so i fold an overpair in a reraised pot (nl200)
 

by folding this river, you are saying that his PF calling range is essentially TT+, AK .. if that's his range, and you think he folds TT/JJ to a larger (standard) 3-bet, then you probably shouldn't 3bet here.

Re: so i fold an overpair in a reraised pot (nl200)
 

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by folding this river, you are saying that his PF calling range is essentially TT+, AK .. if that's his range, and you think he folds TT/JJ to a larger (standard) 3-bet, then you probably shouldn't 3bet here.

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Yeah, I've been thinking about his lately. 3-betting 77-JJ is actually a waste of a perfectly fine hand. If your opponent isn't calling without TT+ or AK then all you do is turn your hand into a bluff. This seems like a waste.

Re: so i fold an overpair in a reraised pot (nl200)
 

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A lot of my range is AA AK AQs here

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If this is "alot of your range" then plenty of hands can call 10% of their stack and show a profit.

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WHAT hands? tell me i want to know! [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

i really do think when i 3bet to 44$ his callrange is like 3 combos JJ, QQ+, and he might shove AK ... he's weaktight and he raised from the small blind then called a 3bet

early, you are probably right that I shouldn't 3bet preflop ... but there are still players that have to act behind me, i want to get it headsup dont' I?

Re: so i fold an overpair in a reraised pot (nl200)
 

I call here your hand looks like 99 and he could be vbetting a jack or just str8 bluffing

Re: so i fold an overpair in a reraised pot (nl200)
 

min raise turn

Re: so i fold an overpair in a reraised pot (nl200)
 

btw, 3bet size:

i just searched the anthology and everywhere it's 4bb open, 3bet to 14bb, so this size seems standard ...

if the posters advocating a larger 3bet could link me to a thread or something, that would be nice

Re: so i fold an overpair in a reraised pot (nl200)
 

i call this river bet.

your hand is way underrepped. it looks like you have AK etc.

imo he rarel has a 10 here. would he really bet the turn for $40 with just 2nd pair? obv he could have TT or JJ i doubt it.

anyway... it looks like he has AJ or something... hit the flop but wanted to see if you had an overpair. you checked so he figures you don't. then he thinks he is valuebetting his AJ on the turn and river.

this analysis may be way off but i don't see him having a 10 and JJ 4bets pretty often. i call.

Re: so i fold an overpair in a reraised pot (nl200)
 

wow you seem to play vs different players than me guys

i don't think i've EVER seen a 20/13/2 4bet JJ in this spot (and i also think he doesn't raise pf with AJo and he doesn't call preflop wit AJs, nor does he valuebet it this hard)

Re: so i fold an overpair in a reraised pot (nl200)
 

vs a tricky / good tag i think your hand is face up and u have to decide if hes overbetting with KK+, JJ/TT to induce a call with your obvious QQ/AJ, or if hes trying to bluff you off your obvious QQ/AJ with like 99/AK or something.

Since hes 20/13 and probably not that good, his overbet is almost definitely > QQ, and if he is bluffing its no where near 1 in 3 times.

i say your hand is faceup once you call the turn because i think you are betting this flop with most of your range that missed or hit hard, and folding the turn with the rest. There aren't many hands you should have here with your line that make much sense.

Whatever you have its something and its not something great in his eyes unless he is just clueless.