Re: JJ out of position
 

reraise preflop, reraise flop, bet the turn, check/raise the turn, pretty much getting more money in anywhere here would be a good idea.

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reraise preflop, reraise flop, bet the turn, check/raise the turn, pretty much getting more money in anywhere here would be a good idea.

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Agreed....

Re: JJ out of position
 

i 3bet PF with his stats, as played, u had to raise somewhere here, preferably flop imo

Re: JJ out of position
 

Yes, you do want to play for stacks here. Were you coldcalling preflop because you thought your hand was marginal?

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reraise preflop, reraise flop, bet the turn, check/raise the turn, pretty much getting more money in anywhere here would be a good idea.

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Re: JJ out of position
 

you need to rr pf with JJ, you need to punish people for calling your 3 bet pf with one over or crap. hand is way too hard to play for 1 raise. SPR's make it much more difficult. the pot needs to be big enough on the flop to raise ai, or 3bet ai

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given the way the hand played out, I kinda wanna call this river. He's either got 8x, AA, or a bluff and getting well over 2-1 I think you might be good often enough. Your hand from his POV looks sooo much like a draw or some weak pocket pair, and that river card is such a good scare card for him.


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I actually considered calling here too. AK/AQ is a good chunk of his range too.

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yeah, but are those hands forcing hero to call for the rest of his chips? I'd think theyd go for a smaller bet given what hero has said about his hand.

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Hero has 75-80 left. It's kinda silly to bet 60 cuz you only get value for 60 if you have the best hand, but get shoved on for 15-20 more if you don't. I'd just shove here if i were villain with AK

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i'd usually checkraise the flop. sometimes id bet/3bet.

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If you c/r the flop and get shoved on, or if you are able to bet/3bet: how often are you holding the best hand? Or does the value of the play comes from the time he's folding overcards?

I find it difficult to combine the concept of JJ being the effective nuts on a 8843 flop vs a stealing tag on the button, and the concept of not getting called by much worse hands when I c/r flop, b/3b flop or crai on the turn.

Re: JJ out of position
 

Either call of reraise preflop thats not really the problem but by not reraising on the flop you got no clue what his hand is so check raise the flop first en then you got more information on what to do on the river.

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Either call of reraise preflop thats not really the problem but by not reraising on the flop you got no clue what his hand is so check raise the flop first en then you got more information on what to do on the river.

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INDEED, the biggest problem is INFORMATION, you have no information, and your line seems so week...