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Jamsym 11-25-2007 10:11 PM

Re: co vs. button against 2p2er
 
Flop and turn are both fine.

Are you planning to bet/fold this river if he raises you?

I don't think i bet our here because i hate bet/folding.

Check call probably better.

Eagles 11-25-2007 10:16 PM

Re: co vs. button against 2p2er
 
OMG Betting this river as a bluff is beyond terrible nobody ever folds Jx or better. If a better hand folds they prob misclicked. I think for value its very thin I'm not sure if its good.

Yeti 11-25-2007 10:19 PM

Re: co vs. button against 2p2er
 
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you guys who think this might be for value are so funny

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could not agree more

Trivial 11-25-2007 10:21 PM

Re: co vs. button against 2p2er
 
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i take that back it's a RANGE MERGE lol

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well i'd definitely be firing three (for value, to be clear) with KT or AT.

now i admit that with a seven kicker this becomes very thin and a river check can be argued for but since i would not want to fold if villain bets river (leak?) i think we are better off getting a further bet out of him if he does happen to hold something he feels like calling with.

whether we win the hand or not, he will without a doubt be discouraged from making marginal calldowns in future hands, in any case, which is quite helpful considering he's on your direct left.

jfish 11-25-2007 10:30 PM

Re: co vs. button against 2p2er
 
c/c the turn.

quickfetus 11-25-2007 10:39 PM

Re: co vs. button against 2p2er
 
Completely don't get/don't like river bet.

nuggetz87 11-25-2007 11:09 PM

Re: co vs. button against 2p2er
 
ok well what really "happened" is i misread the board/hand and thought i turned a straight. then i sent this to a couple people and talked with them about it and didn't realize i didnt have a straight until i looked again.

still thought it was interesting, i probably would have bet turn and checked river if i knew what my hand was. c/cing turn sounds fine too.

DaveC101 11-25-2007 11:33 PM

Re: co vs. button against 2p2er
 
I kind of like the river bet as played. From your last post I'm assuming he folded on the river so I may be biased here, but it definitely looks like 910 or flush draw. He'd most likely raise an 8 on earlier streets, and probably raises a J on flop to see where he stands or to represent an 8...drawing hand seems most likely in the end.

As for check/calling, I think most players will fire the river in position if checked to them in this situation regardless of whether he has a hand or not to make you fold a busted draw or maybe a 10.

nh

wrschultz 11-25-2007 11:50 PM

Re: co vs. button against 2p2er
 
I'm pretty sure check/calling turn is best against almost all villains. River bet is also pretty bad against most villains.

Obviously, this is based on you reading your hand correctly!

terp 11-25-2007 11:50 PM

Re: co vs. button against 2p2er
 
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ok well what really "happened" is i misread the board/hand and thought i turned a straight.

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7...8...T...T...J

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