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0.2% of the population, 25% of the Nobel Prizes.

Still waiting for why this isn't statistically significant.

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This subject might be relevant if there was a significant difference between an IQ of 95 and 115.

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Not significant at all really, just double the difference between average Jew and non-Jewish white.

Also, the effect of a mean difference becomes more pronounced as you move away from the mean (in both directions).

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according to this book, average Israeli IQ is below that of many european nations. Is the book inaccurate? Where is your data from?

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according to this book, average Israeli IQ is below that of many european nations. Is the book inaccurate? Where is your data from?



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Perhaps he's getting his information from here: Attempted world-wide compilations by Herrnstein and Murray, authors of The Bell Curve, Richard Lynn and Rushton of average IQ by race generally place Ashkenazi Jews and East Asians at the top

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Although my reasoning for posting here is really not to refute Snowball, but rather to give my self an excuse to compliment him on his location: “Where the citizens kneel for sex.” This is a location that I constantly strive for and I compliment Snowball in his success.

Re: Slate.com on race and IQ
 

Here we go again . . .

Most of the work that is cited in that Slate article has been shown to be flawed methodologically.

To sum up the argument that has been made on this issue several times:

- What IQ tests measure and what the general intelligence factor (g) means is highly debated

- There is probably some genetic component to intelligence

- Environmental factors >>>>>>> Genetic factors

- The evidence that the IQ difference between races is genetic is tenuous at best

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Most of the work that is cited in that Slate article has been shown to be flawed methodologically.

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Damn near every bit of social science has warts or worse. Some is fraudulent, some skewed by agenda. Some is withheld since it doesn't confirm (or rejects) the beloved PC hypothesis, as in the recent revelations regarding Robert Putman.

So when I look at any race/IQ research from the last 40 years I assume there exists pressure to conform, as academia rewards the small players when they do. I think that older research might sometimes include a racist taint as well. But so many trends have occured over and over, a critically thinking observer is going to reach similar conclusions to Saletan.

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This subject might be relevant if there was a significant difference between an IQ of 95 and 115.

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Not significant at all really, just double the difference between average Jew and non-Jewish white.

Also, the effect of a mean difference becomes more pronounced as you move away from the mean (in both directions).

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according to this book, average Israeli IQ is below that of many european nations. Is the book inaccurate? Where is your data from?

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I should have specified Ashkenazi Jews. Israel has huge numbers of Arabs and non-Ashkenazi Jews. Most Jews in western countries are Ashkenazi.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_intelligence

I generally don't like to cite wiki for this type of stuff but I don't feel like surfing the web to find more reliable stuff, you can do that on your own time if you are interested.

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This subject might be relevant if there was a significant difference between an IQ of 95 and 115.

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Not significant at all really, just double the difference between average Jew and non-Jewish white.

Also, the effect of a mean difference becomes more pronounced as you move away from the mean (in both directions).

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according to this book, average Israeli IQ is below that of many european nations. Is the book inaccurate? Where is your data from?

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I should have specified Ashkenazi Jews. Israel has huge numbers of Arabs and non-Ashkenazi Jews. Most Jews in western countries are Ashkenazi.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_intelligence

I generally don't like to cite wiki for this type of stuff but I don't feel like surfing the web to find more reliable stuff, you can do that on your own time if you are interested.

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Ashkenazi Jews may be statistical outliers because they have one of the strongest founder effects of any population out there. Their gene pool is so small they are the basis for many studies on rare genetic conditions.

Inbreeding FTW imo.

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Most of the work that is cited in that Slate article has been shown to be flawed methodologically.

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Damn near every bit of social science has warts or worse. Some is fraudulent, some skewed by agenda. Some is withheld since it doesn't confirm (or rejects) the beloved PC hypothesis, as in the recent revelations regarding Robert Putman.

So when I look at any race/IQ research from the last 40 years I assume there exists pressure to conform, as academia rewards the small players when they do. I think that older research might sometimes include a racist taint as well. But so many trends have occured over and over, a critically thinking observer is going to reach similar conclusions to Saletan.

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Afraid not. You should read that earlier link and move on from there. This link is not specifically about the precise paper referenced by Saletan, but you should see the relevance.

More , more , more

Might want to check this out (Caste)

Another perspective

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0.2% of the population, 25% of the Nobel Prizes.

Still waiting for why this isn't statistically significant.

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You are examining the wrong population.

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Nice, but let's take it a bit further.

Imagine there are two groups with a billion people each. One group has 10,000,000 people with IQs above 130. The other group has 100,000 people with IQs above 130. Does the subject become relevant?

Now go to 150. One group has 1,000,000 people with IQs above 150. The other group has 1000 people with IQs above 150. Relevant?

Go the other way. One group has 500 million people with IQs below 75. The other group has 20 million people with IQs below 75. Relevant?

If I was to put these two groups in identical starting conditions at the end of the last ice age 10,000 years ago, what do you think their respective societies, technologies, literature & philosophies would look like today?

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You should read a book called guns germs and steal, I think you'd like it. Would give you a better picture of human history too, and realise that there was a lot more important stuff than race going on.