Re: What to do w/ QQ this early?
 

i might sound nitty here but...


let's put him on a 3bet range of JJ+ and AK. (early in tournament, EP raiser, deeper stacks). JJ i think good players call tbh.

you flat call, let's take a look at some flops.

flop is T high, rainbow. I guess he could have jacks and you might be able to stack him, but to be honest, 3bet an EP raiser early, i don't put him on jacks, i think he just flat calls there. You probably only get action on AA/KK (QQ not likely) on a raggedy flop. and if the flop comes A or K high, you most likely have to lead to win (which sux) and hope he folds but he will probably be raising alot there or you have check fold that sort of flop.

so yeah fold and wait for a nicer spot, don't really see what kind of flop you are lookin for and will get action on, except for a queen on flop, (which you don't have the odds for) ldo. i dont post strat much so i might sound dumb but its an mkind topic. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: What to do w/ QQ this early?
 

One have the odds to call and see a flop to hit a set. The preflop raise is 240 and alow4194 has a stack of 2955.

So call and play poker.

Re: What to do w/ QQ this early?
 

I think everybody is forgetting it is a KO tourney!!! Push obv

but srsly I think I would flat call and proceed cautiously on the flop here

Re: What to do w/ QQ this early?
 

you're such a vag.. just fold

Re: What to do w/ QQ this early?
 

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One have the odds to call and see a flop to hit a set. The preflop raise is 240 and alow4194 has a stack of 2955.

So call and play poker.

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That's just the thing, you either flop a set or you don't. There is no 'playing poker' here because playing it for non set value is ridiculously unprofitable considering his range (which I believe is QQ+ with a very very small addition of JJ and AK to that).

Re: What to do w/ QQ this early?
 

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One have the odds to call and see a flop to hit a set. The preflop raise is 240 and alow4194 has a stack of 2955.

So call and play poker.

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That's just the thing, you either flop a set or you don't. There is no 'playing poker' here because playing it for non set value is ridiculously unprofitable considering his range (which I believe is QQ+ with a very very small addition of JJ and AK to that).

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agree with all this, fold preflop

Re: What to do w/ QQ this early?
 

If you call to setmine him you need to have the discipline to do exactly that and nothing else. But you aren't closing out the action here.

Btw, these "play poker" comments really irritate me. We are playing poker during our preflop decision. And we have to get that annoying bit of poker right first - and it's the easiest part to get right anyway.

Re: What to do w/ QQ this early?
 

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One have the odds to call and see a flop to hit a set. The preflop raise is 240 and alow4194 has a stack of 2955.

So call and play poker.

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That's just the thing, you either flop a set or you don't. There is no 'playing poker' here because playing it for non set value is ridiculously unprofitable considering his range (which I believe is QQ+ with a very very small addition of JJ and AK to that).

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Not to mention, as Bakes said, our hand is faceup here, if a Q flops, only a terrible player is going broke with an overpair.

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Not to mention, as Bakes said, our hand is faceup here, if a Q flops, only a terrible player is going broke with an overpair.

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This is an exagerration. He doesn't have to be that bad or simply has to believe that we are that bad to go broke here. Plenty, as in a majority, of players would play and go broke with a number of holdings (AQ, KK, worse) this way on Q-high flops. Neverthless, granted, it does lengthen the odds we need to set mine substantially.

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Btw, these "play poker" comments really irritate me. We are playing poker during our preflop decision. And we have to get that annoying bit of poker right first - and it's the easiest part to get right anyway.

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i think he's just talking about the reputation online players have for seeing a good hand and mindlessly putting the chips in. when in this instance no worse hands should ever stack off to you in this spot. yet they do... a lot. and i guess thats the beauty in this game. not everyone is a thinking player and theres a lot of skill in getting a gauge for which people are which.