Re: Shove or CRAI River with monster?
 

Stick it in.

Re: Shove or CRAI River with monster?
 

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Gotta bet. Odds of him looking you up are way higher than him bluffing after you bet the turn.

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Re: Shove or CRAI River with monster?
 

shove. you lose way to much value by checking. if he was chasing with the K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] he'll pay you off regardless and if he was just drawing he will check behind.

Re: Shove or CRAI River with monster?
 

Please don't try a CR here.
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Value bet river



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How much you value betting, $60-$70ish?

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Re: Shove or CRAI River with monster?
 

Villain just can't be calling 3 bets here without being a complete donk esp a decent sized value bet.
In this situation I like a bet of $45. I can't see villain calling anything larger than this often enough with a weaker hand. This amount may also induce a bluff raise by villain.

Re: Shove or CRAI River with monster?
 

shove shove shove.

Checking is bad because villain almost never gets to this river with a hand that has no showdown value. So you're basically hoping he value bets a worse hand - but if he perceives his hand as being strong enough to value bet then he will likely perceive it as strong enough to call with.

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Villain just can't be calling 3 bets here without being a complete donk esp a decent sized value bet.
In this situation I like a bet of $45. I can't see villain calling anything larger than this often enough with a weaker hand. This amount may also induce a bluff raise by villain.

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River pot is $108 and we have ~ $102 left. If I am betting this river, then I am shoving like 100% of the time. Does anyone disagree?

My reasoning would be that a shove represents the widest range of hands, and will extract the most value. If villain is calling $70 then he is most likely calling a shove as well.

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Villain just can't be calling 3 bets here without being a complete donk esp a decent sized value bet.
In this situation I like a bet of $45. I can't see villain calling anything larger than this often enough with a weaker hand. This amount may also induce a bluff raise by villain.

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River pot is $108 and we have ~ $102 left. If I am betting this river, then I am shoving like 100% of the time. Does anyone disagree?

My reasoning would be that a shove represents the widest range of hands, and will extract the most value. If villain is calling $70 then he is most likely calling a shove as well.

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I love a shove, and I hate any other play. Any hand he is betting on the river, he is calling a shove with, since betting the river any amount gives him amazing odds to call a push, unless he is bluffing the river, which he is never doing. He will check behind weak Ax hands if you check.

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i hope i didnt tell you to c/r this [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]