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jk3a 11-19-2007 12:13 AM

Re: 99 Facing Tiny 4bet
 
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he needs a really wide calling range for you to be 35-40% here. I think you have more fold equity though.

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TT+, AQ+

Noam Chomsky 11-19-2007 12:13 AM

Re: 99 Facing Tiny 4bet
 
no

delaney_kid 11-19-2007 12:14 AM

Re: 99 Facing Tiny 4bet
 
To be honest at these stakes the only range most n00b villians will 4 bet preflop is AA,AK,KK,QQ. Also its extremely unlikely if they had such a hand they are likely 2 lay it down to a stop n go. That being said if he is a good regular, then it may be he is making a move on u in response to ur previous 3bet. Either way its more than likely going to be -EV to continue at this point. Folding may seem weak but at these stakes its often the most +ev play

SpecT 11-19-2007 12:15 AM

Re: 99 Facing Tiny 4bet
 
but adding in the fact that it's CO vs bb, your 3bet is large - making 4bet/foldling awkward because you almost get to that pot committed point, plus his stats (imo a 18/15 is generally less aggro pre than a 22/00) all work in your disfavour so would fold.

SpecT 11-19-2007 12:18 AM

Re: 99 Facing Tiny 4bet
 
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he needs a really wide calling range for you to be 35-40% here. I think you have more fold equity though.

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TT+, AQ+

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ya but do you think he'd do this with JJ/TT? if he's even some what competent he'll know the only reason you'd 4bet call with these hands is if there's a ton of history between you and he know u 5bet light. same goes for AQ to an extent.

he should have a polarised 4betting range here, against standard players i like to make mine AK/QQ+/crap, and i'd say his range would be quite similar here

jk3a 11-19-2007 12:25 AM

Re: 99 Facing Tiny 4bet
 
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he needs a really wide calling range for you to be 35-40% here. I think you have more fold equity though.

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TT+, AQ+

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ya but do you think he'd do this with JJ/TT? if he's even some what competent he'll know the only reason you'd 4bet call with these hands is if there's a ton of history between you and he know u 5bet light. same goes for AQ to an extent.

he should have a polarised 4betting range here, against standard players i like to make mine AK/QQ+/crap, and i'd say his range would be quite similar here

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equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 64.225% 64.03% 00.19% 223662072 681114.00 { QQ+, AKs, AKo }
Hand 1: 35.775% 35.58% 00.19% 124285716 681114.00 { 99 }

SpecT 11-19-2007 12:31 AM

Re: 99 Facing Tiny 4bet
 
ok well u got his equity vs his calling range. now figure out how much fold equity you need (there's a thread somewhere that shows how but i can't find it). simple maths problem

SpecT 11-19-2007 12:34 AM

Re: 99 Facing Tiny 4bet
 
btw like i said before i think his bluffing range here is considerably small than say a 22/20 opens btn for 7, you 3bet to 25, he 4bets to 55

Demogorgon 11-19-2007 12:37 AM

Re: 99 Facing Tiny 4bet
 
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he needs a really wide calling range for you to be 35-40% here. I think you have more fold equity though.

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I disagree with having more FE. With this little history a bluff is possible but I really don't think it's more than 15-20% of his range. 15% is probably in the upper part imo.

Demogorgon 11-19-2007 12:39 AM

Re: 99 Facing Tiny 4bet
 
And I agree with this
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he should have a polarised 4betting range here, against standard players i like to make mine AK/QQ+/crap, and i'd say his range would be quite similar here

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Especially true for a 18/15 and the crap% is probably not high enough to make a shove +ev here is what I was trying to say.


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