Re: bellagio 25-50: big draw very deep. is this close or no?
 

I would like to see you call and felt Jimmy here but I'm biased because he was really pissing me off last time I played. I'm assuming we're not putting Jimmy on a flush draw here? Or is he capable of playing a bigger flush draw like this- you know him better than I do. In which case, I guess it's ep guy we're worried about. I would lean towards a fold as well sadly, partially because Detroit boy is probably capable of getting away from your flush if it hits (I'm guessing he's going to know what you have.)

Re: bellagio 25-50: big draw very deep. is this close or no?
 

Easy fold, surprised some are considering calling. So many problems with continuing here. Flat-calling screams clubs and you're not felting anyone with your Q-high flush if it hits. If anything you're getting stacked yourself. Also you're not closing the action, and one of the EPs could easily repop this with a set. What are the plausible arguments for calling!? That you have a flush draw semi-deep? Forget it. Fold and get'em later.

Re: bellagio 25-50: big draw very deep. is this close or no?
 

Teddy said it very well

Re: bellagio 25-50: big draw very deep. is this close or no?
 

pitch it
ALL HAIL CTS

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ok i'm glad consensus is that it's a fold. i thought for a while and considered making it 7k to go, but decided to muck it. me and jimmy have played tons together, he is never ever never folding a set to me. if dan has a set or 2pr or even bigger clubs he's probly just gonna push, i didn't like the idea of getting caught in the middle.

anyway, i muck, dan insta-shoves, jimmy calls with top2, dan flips over 3c2c. another 3 peels off on the turn, river blank, poker is fun.

Re: bellagio 25-50: big draw very deep. is this close or no?
 

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Is 300BB's considered very deep for live? Calling 2100 for ~3450 here obv lots easier closing action, but it seems pretty apparent that the only card you REALLY like is the J non-club, and your other outs are likely lessened or compromised.

This nit either folds, or takes ~8k off the table and shoves(Bellagio allows that, right?).

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are you saying the Jc is bad because it will kill hero's action or because you think it won't give him a straight flush.

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Re: bellagio 25-50: big draw very deep. is this close or no?
 

It sucks, but it should be easy fold.

Re: bellagio 25-50: big draw very deep. is this close or no?
 

I'd happily fold it while thinking to myself how many that would stack off and be drawing dead.. I'd only call with nutflush draw and a set, never raise I think.

Let's say hero has JTc or 76c. Is push the only option here? What about calling and hoping for even more action behind? A good player would fold a low set to a push. On the other hand you'd probably face a push if someone behind has a big flushdraw, while he'd probably fold to your push.

Re: bellagio 25-50: big draw very deep. is this close or no?
 

I fold.

Re: bellagio 25-50: big draw very deep. is this close or no?
 

100k for a 25-20 game is quite funny to me, I would fold anyway, people at the Bellagio bet their draw all the time, so any King or Ace hi draw is getting you at the end, even if you got the inside str8 draw, easy fold.