Re: 400 NL : big draw but....
 

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I prefer a call here. Villian is a nit and i doubt he's folding to a 3bet giving us f all FE. I'd peel and shove most turns.

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getting it in isnt about fe imo . id rather get it in now and not have to worry about any scare cards on the turn. and u say id peel and get it in on most turns, meaning blank ones when are equity drops significantly and we still have no fe??

Re: 400 NL : big draw but....
 

seriously, wtf guys.

I'd think that pushing flop >> call+c/r turn? IF we're both like 150bb's deep, I can understand that second line, but not in this situation.

Re: 400 NL : big draw but....
 

yeah I was wondering about that too what is with the turn shove, our equity is pretty low and if he bets turn he'll get great odds.

Re: 400 NL : big draw but....
 

i would definetely 3-bet/call the flop since u have so many outs (12 at least, maybe more) and quite some FE as well. Just because villain's a nit doesnt mean hes never (semi)bluffing. When do u want to get it in if not here?

Re: 400 NL : big draw but....
 

3betting the flop > calling and shoving the turn. what range of hands does villain have when he checkraises this flop and still leads the turn when you've shown you like your hand? any hand he feels is strong enough to do this, i doubt you'd have very much folding equity in a much bigger pot now and your actual pot equity is decreased as well.

Re: 400 NL : big draw but....
 

im shoving the flop

Re: 400 NL : big draw but....
 

I don't get the call flop/shove turn -thing at all, IMHO just doesn't make any sense that it would be better than 3-betting the flop.

Yes, and I c-bet the flop 100% of the time and i also c-bet the next hand every time just to be sure i don't accidentally check here.

Re: 400 NL : big draw but....
 

Your opponent rarely has a big hand here so 3-betting the flop is never wrong. I am not folding the turn either so if you decide to call the flop, shove on his turnbet as long as the board does not pair .

Re: 400 NL : big draw but....
 

im soo getting it in on the flop

Re: 400 NL : big draw but....
 

I cbet this flop 100% of time.

If I'm button and SB is real player, I'll repop flop as he'll have a lot of hands he can fold, and if I get called, I'm still fine.

Having raised from UTG and how tagfish will see this, combined with his aggression on flop, I'll just call here.