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ASPoker8 11-16-2007 01:12 AM

Re: 100r, deep stacks, tricky spot
 
g0lfa, you are aconsuma?

I'd never fold here w/ aconsuma's image

ZJ123 11-16-2007 01:33 AM

Re: 100r, deep stacks, tricky spot
 
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g0lfa, you are aconsuma?

I'd never fold here w/ aconsuma's image

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I dont think aconsuma is that over aggro. Do you?

g0lfa 11-16-2007 02:44 AM

Re: 100r, deep stacks, tricky spot
 
No , Aconsuma is a friend of mine, i thought i would post it for him since he doesn't have a name on here.

At the time, Acons image was very solid and we surmised that the villain had to be huge here. JJ+ AK. We took the conservative route and folded, leaving us with 55k chips at 600/1200.

JSchnett 11-16-2007 03:03 AM

Re: 100r, deep stacks, tricky spot
 
I'm bored of this hand, here's another one.

PokerStars Game #13265464046: Tournament #66631059, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2007/11/15 - 21:10:32 (ET)
Table '66631059 13' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: gregior (7270 in chips)
Seat 2: JSchnett (7285 in chips)
Seat 3: loooser17 (17280 in chips)
Seat 4: thebirdman84 (5675 in chips)
Seat 5: Killer_ooooo (9285 in chips)
Seat 6: MENTOR 2 (17510 in chips)
Seat 7: ElMastermind (5595 in chips)
Seat 8: yoshdog22 (6875 in chips)
Seat 9: shaundeeb (7445 in chips)
loooser17: posts small blind 75
thebirdman84: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to JSchnett [Qd Qc]
Killer_ooooo: folds
MENTOR 2: calls 150
ElMastermind: folds
yoshdog22: calls 150
shaundeeb: folds
gregior: folds
JSchnett: raises 600 to 750
loooser17: calls 675
thebirdman84: folds
MENTOR 2: raises 3450 to 4200
yoshdog22: folds
JSchnett: raises 3085 to 7285 and is all-in

ASPoker8 11-16-2007 03:46 AM

Re: 100r, deep stacks, tricky spot
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
g0lfa, you are aconsuma?

I'd never fold here w/ aconsuma's image

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I dont think aconsuma is that over aggro. Do you?

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He has been from the times i've played with him, but you've likely played more with him

ZJ123 11-16-2007 04:23 AM

Re: 100r, deep stacks, tricky spot
 
[ QUOTE ]
I'm bored of this hand, here's another one.

PokerStars Game #13265464046: Tournament #66631059, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2007/11/15 - 21:10:32 (ET)
Table '66631059 13' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: gregior (7270 in chips)
Seat 2: JSchnett (7285 in chips)
Seat 3: loooser17 (17280 in chips)
Seat 4: thebirdman84 (5675 in chips)
Seat 5: Killer_ooooo (9285 in chips)
Seat 6: MENTOR 2 (17510 in chips)
Seat 7: ElMastermind (5595 in chips)
Seat 8: yoshdog22 (6875 in chips)
Seat 9: shaundeeb (7445 in chips)
loooser17: posts small blind 75
thebirdman84: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to JSchnett [Qd Qc]
Killer_ooooo: folds
MENTOR 2: calls 150
ElMastermind: folds
yoshdog22: calls 150
shaundeeb: folds
gregior: folds
JSchnett: raises 600 to 750
loooser17: calls 675
thebirdman84: folds
MENTOR 2: raises 3450 to 4200
yoshdog22: folds
JSchnett: raises 3085 to 7285 and is all-in

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i like

fsoyars 11-16-2007 02:26 PM

Re: 100r, deep stacks, tricky spot
 
I think you definitely see QQ and AK a ton here.

gobboboy 11-16-2007 02:39 PM

Re: 100r, deep stacks, tricky spot
 
If you're not calling the 4bet don't [censored] 3bet pf. If you'd even consider folding then make it more preflop so you can't.

Your equity against TT+ and AK is 40%. No chance I fold here when there's some random chance his range is a lot bigger.

djk123 11-16-2007 04:49 PM

Re: 100r, deep stacks, tricky spot
 
g0lfa, KQ > QJ

Cornell Fiji 11-16-2007 05:01 PM

Re: 100r, deep stacks, tricky spot
 
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If you're not calling the 4bet don't [censored] 3bet pf.

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Though I am sure one could come up with an odd exception I agree with this statement the VAST majority of the time.

If I am 3 balling AK here then I am definitely calling the shove.

What was the hero hoping to accomplish with his pf raise? What hands did he think would call him? Which hands would fold? Which would shove? I think no matter what the answers are to these questions the result should either be to flat call pf or to 3 bet and call the shove.


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