Re: lolriver
 

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If I say check-raise everyone will laugh at me.

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that is because of our options, it is probably the second worst play.

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I dont think we have any good options. If we bet he calls with all hands that beat us. If we check he bets all hands that beat us and if he is at all good alot of hands that dont.

I am not saying it will work all that often, but our image should allow folds of some better hands and we also loosen up our own image in the process, which I am all for against this type of opponent. Not making this a standard line. I just dont think it is that bad under the circumstances.

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the only hand that will ever fold that we can't beat is KJ.

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I dont know would u call a cr by a nit with AT or AJ on this river? I am not saying this is the best play, but I am always on the look out for spots like this so that I can bat them around to see what others think.

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The thing is, a "nit" doesn't tend to take a line like this. If I had KJ here, I'd think "Wow. I don't beat anything, and when I don't beat anything I fold, except for the times when his line makes no sense and I cannot figure out what in the world he would play this way. In those instances I call."

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based on the description, sounds like c/f

as for c/r, mitch do you realize we didn't even raise pf? so c/r reps exactly 'poorly played jt' or frustrated tight guy/girl who's sick of folding.

ps- nina, are you male or female (sorry if that should be obvious from previous posts)?

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Nice post. I concur.

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Getting 7 to 1 on the river - I hate to fold here.

I think I'd check / call. Not sure what Ace hand he could hold that calls the turn bet. AQo? QJ[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Other than those, you should be ahead enough to call?

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i kind of want to check call as i think it's better than bet fold by a little bit here; just because he might bluff/valuebet a few worse hands a bit of the time and i like to see showdowns in blind battles.

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vma - nina is a girl

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based on the description, sounds like c/f

as for c/r, mitch do you realize we didn't even raise pf? so c/r reps exactly 'poorly played jt' or frustrated tight guy/girl who's sick of folding.

ps- nina, are you male or female (sorry if that should be obvious from previous posts)?

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QTc, or QJc. I am not saying anymore on the subject. Anyway, I would be inclined to check/fold with the read have on this guy so far, it just seems like he has an ace heavy range at this point and we beat hardly anything.

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vma - nina is a girl

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if by girl you mean guy, then yeah nina is a girl.

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just don't fold or pay 2 bets on the river and you can't really go too wrong

reasons to cc: Villain doesn't have an A here often unless its AQ. I think its too likely he folds gutters like AJ/AT on the turn unless he picks up a flush draw. You said you've folded to some river raises so villian may be capable of bluff raising. Villain is tag and may find a thin value bet w/a weaker king.

Bet/fold - Villain is unlikely to bluff given the nature of the board. You can value bet against weaker kings that may check behind on the river. Villain can't raise you w/a naked A here b/c the board has to look scary from his perspective too.

Really it comes down to whether or not you think he will bluff raise you out of this pot more often than pay you off w/a weaker hand. I prefer b/f here but thats just me.

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bet/fold, this guys not bluff-raising that river card, its foxwoods